Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol
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I liked that article - it seems like we're more on top of the news though. doesn't it?
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They do know how to self-promote.
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Some football talk.
ccasion9: Go team. Or something. SRS BNSSports Talk With Bo - Home
They do know how to self-promote.
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This is really interesting. From 10 years ago but it applies today.
Courtney Love does the math - Courtney Love - Salon.com
Courtney Love does the math - Courtney Love - Salon.com
Damn. Hedley isn't coming to Boston. This is a great chance to see them in a fairly small venue, too. Are the US dates all new? I don't remember seeing them last time I checked.
Nothing about Houston, I see. But I do think that's going to happen. You asked how I felt about it. Vis a vis Kris and his band. Well, thinking more about it, Hedley is extremely polished, at this point. They've been working at it for four or five years. So KAB will have to be on their toes. The fact is, though, Kris has the voice.
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Nothing about Houston, I see. But I do think that's going to happen. You asked how I felt about it. Vis a vis Kris and his band. Well, thinking more about it, Hedley is extremely polished, at this point. They've been working at it for four or five years. So KAB will have to be on their toes. The fact is, though, Kris has the voice.
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They just did a live Q&A which I missed, Stream Live Video on Twitter from twitcam- powered by Livestream but is archived. The first half is pointless. lol
True enough.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do go to Boston though, Boston had that interview up with them. Live in the Vineyard too - that might convince some skeptics.
True enough.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do go to Boston though, Boston had that interview up with them. Live in the Vineyard too - that might convince some skeptics.
Boston had what interview up with them? Missed that, I guess.
Anyhow, if they're coming to Boston it's not on this tour. Though I suppose they could add dates later and they could backtrack back here. They're going to be in New York in about a month though - around the same time I'll be seeing Kris.
You know lots of Kris fans were mad at Jive for releasing The Truth as a second single. They were mad because they felt it is not "single material". I'm sure they like the song, but they didn't like it as a single. I 'm having the same feeling about Archie's "Elevator" and it has nothing to do with "personal taste". The thing is, if he can’t sell enough records, he will be in the jeopardy of being dropped. We all have seen that every season with promising Idol contestants. Look at Allison... I'm not sure she will be signed by another major record label. I wish her well though.
BTW, I've just learned that Tim Urban is working on a CD and it will be released on November 8O. It will be funny if he outsells Lee.
You're right about Elevator, The Truth, etc.
I think - just speaking for myself - I don't really write a lot here (consistently, I mean) about stats, how singles are doing, Billboard numbers, whether people will get a second single, third single, etc., second album, whatever - although that stuff is surely important. That is more the type of discussion we usually see on MJ's blog, and to be honest, I'm just not that much of a numbers person, or a music-business-side-of-things person. I'm more about being here to have fun talking about stuff that happens related to Idol and the people I like that came out of Idol - and appreciating the music they do. As well as posting videos and interviews and so forth. As you can see, I like Hedley but I know next to nothing about the chart performance of Hedley. I guess I'm not interested. I'm just a fan of the band and the music.
Of course we all worry about how people we like will fare in the business, and on the charts, but I, personally, am more of a fan, or an appreciator, or a critic, than I am interested in talking business, stats, numbers, etc. So - I can't speak for anyone else, but that's why I don't really enter those discussions a lot. Naturally people are free to write about whatever they want. But I probably won't respond to a lot of that stuff.
Also, I think it's very true that Idol is all about pop, but surprisingly, there are a lot of Idol fans who aren't especially true pop fans, who end up liking some of the contestants who veer off in different directions. This is true of Canadian Idol, for me, for example. There are a lot of contestants whose careers have taken interesting, non-pop turns. It's just another aspect of the Idol phenomenon.
For every door that closes, there are other opportunities that come. If Archie is dropped - which I would be surprised about - because unlike Allison he does seem to have an active record/single buying fanbase.
But suppose worse comes to worse and it does happen (and this applies to Kris too for that matter) They as Idol alumnae have so many opportunities out there available to them. I'm not just saying this - I really believe it. When I look at the Canadian Idol peeps, who don't get a tenth of the publicity that those on AI do, when they get dropped or don't get the press people say they're not successful, but a lot of them are still working musicians and to me that is success.
I want them all to do well so I certainly don't want anyone to be dropped and I want them to get radio play - but if it does happen they have more name recognition than the average person starting in the music business. As a fan of a lot of Canadian artists, I know they don't make much money, and they keep making music, so if they can then the AI people can do it if they want to enough, their potential market being that much larger. And really sometimes wanting it enough is more than half the battle, because it's a hard way to make a living.
Do not even think it. LOL I think Lee might surprise people. (me included, lol - but I liked Annabelle so I hope it's something like that - how likely that will be with RCA in charge I don't know)
(Actually I didn't mind Tim at all, he just wasn't the strongest singer on the stage.. but with the right material... well you never know, do you? You get the right song at the right time and the game changes)
ETA: Tim releasing his album in Nov might actually be a great strategy for him, because he'll be piggy backing on the publicity that Lee will get for releasing in Nov. Mainly in the Idol fan market, but that might be larger than he would get normally.
Also ... Kris! (one track mind.. I know, I know.. )
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and Hedley's on that page too.
except the Hedley comments always annoy me -- lol. :roll:
I love when the Script’s lead singer Danny O’Donoghue talks about LLWD, he's always really positive. (as he should be really since they wrote the song and all)
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Okay I lied.. I've got more to say.
From Crystal's twitter.
Crystal's having fun at Jive I guess. This could get interesting.
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I've stopped following Crystal a while ago so thanks for bringing that here, wow! The Crystal vs. Jive battle is looking like it'll be an interesting one. It's actually fascinating to have a bit of insight of what is going on between her and Jive.
Thanks for the Courtney Love thing as well. I didn't read it all yet, but it's also very fascinating.
Oh and just read that MJ tweeted that Allison said this during a song last night:
You know that I hate major labels, right? 95% about the business and 5% about the artist.
Thanks for the Courtney Love thing as well. I didn't read it all yet, but it's also very fascinating.
Oh and just read that MJ tweeted that Allison said this during a song last night:
You know that I hate major labels, right? 95% about the business and 5% about the artist.
I stopped following Crystal too, although this kinda makes me want to follow her again. Not gonna lie.
Maybe Crystal and Allison will team up and tour together one day. The No Jive Talkin' tour.
I'm sure Kris would go see them. I think he had his own battles with them.
I don't really know how smart it is for Crystal to go on the attack like that though before releasing a single thing, because is Jive any different from any other label? You're right missaddicted the business comes first for them. And they could sit on her album forever if they wanted to while owning a good chunk of whatever she's writing during this period.
Maybe Crystal and Allison will team up and tour together one day.
The No Jive Talkin' tour. I'm sure Kris would go see them. I think he had his own battles with them.
I don't really know how smart it is for Crystal to go on the attack like that though before releasing a single thing, because is Jive any different from any other label? You're right missaddicted the business comes first for them. And they could sit on her album forever if they wanted to while owning a good chunk of whatever she's writing during this period.
Yes, and that's a big part of what I find fascinating. I wish Crystal well, but I'm not invested in her, so I'm curious to see how this will all unfold.
So, new Idol judges? Zzzzzzz.
Oh, and Come Back To Me is now a gold single. A year and a half after its release. Hey, better late than never! I'll take it, LOL.
And apparently, some Cook fans are angsting about something Nigel said today about Kelly and Carrie being the only real "Idols" created by American Idol (I think he was talking about the winners). Heh. There's always some useless angsting somewhere, right? Not that I don't understand people being pissed that other idols are being dismissed, but being angry at Nigel doesn't seem worth it, IMO.
It's going to explode into a fiery ball..
Oh yeah, lol. I heard that rumour too. Only bright side would be Jim's recaps.
Did they say that there would be no instruments? Because I don't know how excited I would be to go back to that.
Annoying but not angst-worthy. Quite frankly I might die of shock if they ever said something nice about Kris.
Whoop, whoop! Hey, it counts. Go David! I still hear that on the radio.
I just think Nigel said he thought people hiding behind their guitars were boring. I don't think they'll cut the intruments completely, but I am expecting less of them for sure. I'm not excited about that. I love Glee, but only because it's Glee. I don't want Glee on American Idol, if that makes sense. Or dancing Idols or whatever. It's all about the connection with the audience. I'm still not sure how they don't get that after 9 seasons. If they cut all the instruments, I don't think I'll want to watch.
Who?
I don't see how with Steven Tyler and J.Lo on the panel it's not going to be all about the judges once again. I'm sure both of them have healthy-sized egos that will need to be stroked once in a while.
Oh, that makes PERFECT sense to me. Don't worry I'm with ya.
LOL
You don't see Randy stepping up? BWAH! Yeah, I don't know how this is going to work, the one positive for me for both of them are that they are performers, and singers and they've been at it a long time. They do know the entertainment industry. Steven Tyler is kind of a mess right now, but the guy's got a ton of knowledge stored in his head. It will remains to be seen whether or not it's something I agree with.
You guys both love Glee? I absolutely detest Glee. Detest!! Since you hardly ever mention it any more, I was kind of hoping you decided you didn't like it any more. lol
Nigel used the phrase, "hiding behind their guitars?" Has he been talking to some of my *favorite* posters on MJ's blog, who use the same phrase repeatedly?
You know, Idol hasn't started yet, and already I hate those people. I hate the Kelly-Carrie comment. I can never understand what they think they gain by undermining their own Idols. Someone will have to explain that to me. Also, how can they tell what the more recent winners will become, in time? Do you only have two or three years to make it, in the music business? That's something I find ridiculous. Maybe in ten years nobody will be listening to Carrie Underwood. That never seems to occur to them.
I'm glad about Come Back To Me going gold.
Did the guy from the Script mean that LLWD has sold two million, or Breakeven?
Crystal has always been outspoken and contentious. I guess it all depends on your taste but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Nobody made Crystal try out for American Idol, or sign with Jive. Not that she should give in to everything, but it's hypocritical to want the money and advantages a major label can give you, and expect them to pour money into marketing you, and then to expect to have it all your own way. If she wants everything her own way, why did she ever go this route? Unfortunately there has to be compromise.
Hedley was no longer on that page when looked at it. What are the Hedley comments that annoy you, usually?
As far as I know Tim is releasing an EP, not an album. At least I thought that was the news I read the other day. If so, it probably won't be a physical CD, will it?
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Nigel used the phrase, "hiding behind their guitars?" Has he been talking to some of my *favorite* posters on MJ's blog, who use the same phrase repeatedly?
You know, Idol hasn't started yet, and already I hate those people. I hate the Kelly-Carrie comment. I can never understand what they think they gain by undermining their own Idols. Someone will have to explain that to me. Also, how can they tell what the more recent winners will become, in time? Do you only have two or three years to make it, in the music business? That's something I find ridiculous. Maybe in ten years nobody will be listening to Carrie Underwood. That never seems to occur to them.
I'm glad about Come Back To Me going gold.
Did the guy from the Script mean that LLWD has sold two million, or Breakeven?
Crystal has always been outspoken and contentious. I guess it all depends on your taste but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Nobody made Crystal try out for American Idol, or sign with Jive. Not that she should give in to everything, but it's hypocritical to want the money and advantages a major label can give you, and expect them to pour money into marketing you, and then to expect to have it all your own way. If she wants everything her own way, why did she ever go this route? Unfortunately there has to be compromise.
Hedley was no longer on that page when looked at it. What are the Hedley comments that annoy you, usually?
As far as I know Tim is releasing an EP, not an album. At least I thought that was the news I read the other day. If so, it probably won't be a physical CD, will it?
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I personally don't know what Allison wanted to become. I don't think her image and style have changed much since she left Idol. It's not like Jive forced her to become a Selena Gomez clone.
Crystal should not diss her label publicly. This can't be good for her to get good promos from Jive :scratch:
The Dutch TV program "Popstars" made a video of contestants singing WWFM at the audition. Those people should not try to be popstars :|.
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Just to elaborate on my earlier comment, it's literally impossible for me to understand what the franchise gains from statements like Nigel's. First, it makes AI look ineffective at creating pop stars. This attitude could impact viewership, and it could negatively effect sales of people who aren't Carrie or Kelly. On the other hand, a few positive words might result in greater viewership, greater sales by non-Carrie/Kelly idols, more interest in them, etc.
I have often thought, if I ran the show, I would simply give a lot of respect and exposure to all Idol winners and runners up. Idol is a great sales platform - look at the stars who are vying to appear on the show each season as mentors and guest singers. Selling their own Idols just makes sense. It sells the show. Every time an Idol winner has a hit song, or succeeds in some way, it sells the show. Isn't it obvious that you would want to boost them any way you could?
MJ writes: Also, some fans were upset yesterday when Nigel name checked Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood as the “only American Idols”. He responded via twitter today, “I totally understand that Idol fans are upset at me not naming Ruben-Fantasia-Jordan-Taylor-David-Kris and Lee. I really do respect them all”
He's starting off on the right foot, eh?
I have often thought, if I ran the show, I would simply give a lot of respect and exposure to all Idol winners and runners up. Idol is a great sales platform - look at the stars who are vying to appear on the show each season as mentors and guest singers. Selling their own Idols just makes sense. It sells the show. Every time an Idol winner has a hit song, or succeeds in some way, it sells the show. Isn't it obvious that you would want to boost them any way you could?
MJ writes: Also, some fans were upset yesterday when Nigel name checked Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood as the “only American Idols”. He responded via twitter today, “I totally understand that Idol fans are upset at me not naming Ruben-Fantasia-Jordan-Taylor-David-Kris and Lee. I really do respect them all”
He's starting off on the right foot, eh?
Sorry, still a fan.
Love Glee. Love. :love7:Yeah, I don't get the point of tearing down your own either.
He said they've both sold about 2 million (which I think is a bit premature - but here's to rounding up :cheers
but it will happen. The Truth is unfortunately this would be happening even if Idol wasn't involved at all. If there is a major label involved they want a say in what you do. They don't give you their money for nothing.
Something like. OMG!!!! HEDLEY IS AMAZING!!! They're Canadian and now America will know how great Canadians are. It's really the same thing that happens on Canadian artist's youtube videos..and it just drives me nuts
Really I think that's one of Allison's problems, and it's not necessarily something that Jive could do anything about just yet. IMO, She's just young. She hasn't come into her full potential yet. She has to know who she is herself, Jive and other record companies - they're all the same in that respect - will try to push for what the flavour of the moment is. Allison has to know where to bend and adapt and where she has to stand her ground. I just think she's not ready for that yet. I liked her album, but I didn't get "Allison" from it. Kris's album was Kris, and Adam's for me was Adam, but Allison's wasn't her IMO.
Absolutely, Nigel should take a page out of his own book. So You Think You Can Dance has their winners and non-winners back to dance and choreograph for the upcoming dancers. They actually celebrate their successes. It's refreshing. And smart.
Like why have the past Idol peeps on without letting them sing their own music? Charity singles are different.. kinda. But why not push the successes of their own? If they don't celebrate them, why should they expect anyone else to? Don't get me started on Let It Be - the charity single they never advertised.
You're absolutely right. They really shouldn't. 8O