Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

[CapsuleNeo]

Howard Cohen is certainly a fan of Adam but he is not a blind fanboy. I remember that he harshly criticized the AMA performance. Adam is like Fantasia, both highly rated Idol contestants with a love'em or not vocal/performance style. I’ve never been a fan of Fantasia’s voice, but I recognize her talent and charisma.

As for Lee, I wonder what’s really delaying the release of his single. Here’s some information on timing of single releases for the past two AI winners. David’s album was released November 18, 2008. Light On was premiered on AOL Music on September 23 and the song became available on iTunes on September 30. Kris album was released November 17, 2009. Live Like We’re Dying was premiered on Z100 on September 21 and the song became available on iTunes on September 25.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

Here is this week's Top 10 of Idol Airplay chart (source: USA Today.com).

1 1 Adam Lambert, If I Had You (7432 spins) (#18 Hot AC, #17 Top 40)
2 2 Daughtry, September (6342) (#16 AC, #3 Hot AC, #34 Top 40)
3 4 Fantasia, Bittersweet (4162) (#14 Urban, #1 Urban AC)
4 3 Adam Lambert, Whataya Want From Me (3998 )(#9 AC)
5 7 Daughtry, Life After You (3552) (#6 AC)
6 6 Kris Allen, Live Like We're Dying (3461)
7 5 Carrie Underwood, Undo It (3409) (#39 Hot AC)
8 8 Kelly Clarkson, Already Gone (3364)
9 11 Carrie Underwood, Mama's Song (3023) (#25 Country)
10 9 Carrie Underwood, Before He Cheats (2407)

Can't believe Archie's new single doesn't have an adds date yet. I honestly don't think that "Elevator" will do anything for him though. Most of the chorus is high and it seems like it's hard for him to sing live and doesn't showcase his voice.
YouTube - David Archuleta - Elevator - Delta Fair, Memphis, TN

"Channel 7 News" reported about Adam's show at Hard Rock Hotel and Casino. But of course they talk about that paparazzi incident :sleepy1: .
YouTube - Adam Lambert performs in So. Fla
Anyway, the seating capacity was 5,500 and it was sold out. Seems like the crowd was very diverse and there was great atmosphere.

 

[missaddicted]

Yes, it's weird about both Lee's single and Archie's single, but I do really like Elevator. More than I like any of Adam's songs anyway. I did like WWFM initially but I got tired of it very quickly.

I guess Lee's single should be announced in the next couple of weeks. I'm curious to hear it and see what direction they took with him. More rock? More pop? Folk? I hope I like it anyway. I haven't followed him that much since the show and I don't listen to his pre-Idol album anymore, but I'm curious to hear his new music.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

Yes, it's weird about both Lee's single and Archie's single, but I do really like Elevator. More than I like any of Adam's songs anyway. I did like WWFM initially but I got tired of it very quickly.

I respect your personal preferences, but I don't see the point of comparing Elevator to WWFM :?. WWFM was actually a big hit and the song is still #4 at Idol Airplay chart. I just don't think Elevator will be a big hit. And here is the ugly truth. Archie's album is going to tank if he doesn't produce any big hit .

 

[missaddicted]

I was just talking about my personal preferences. And my personal preferences are usually the complete opposite with what's popular on the charts, that's for sure. Top 40 radio is my own personal nightmare right now. I just think it's sad that radio is ruled by dance-pop stupid songs (like Kesha, Katy Perry, and yes Adam's songs), while pop songs that I prefer are not popular. But, heh, it's only my opinion.

Also, I think it's a bit early to rule out Elevator. It's not because Something 'Bout Love didn't work that Elevator is not going to work. See Adam with FYE and WWFM.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

The difference is that WWFM was played by the top two US radio stations(Z100 and KIIS-FM) from the start. The song was added to their playlists even before an adds date. I still don't see Z100, KIIS-FM or other major radio stations playing Elevator. As I said, I respect your personal preferences, but to say WWFM is a dance-pop stupid song is simply wrong. Do you claim Kris's "Live Like We're Dying" became a huge radio hit because it's a stupid dance song? :scratch:

 

[ross 1]

No I think they are similar. But, I think that they are both Adam-ish. More so than Kris in the desert is Kris-ish. Does that make any sense? LOL

Yes, it makes sense! You're right. All I was saying is that the theme has been overdone for Adam if it's been done twice. By the way, why was the camera crew following Kris and the band around at Red Rocks? Was it a crew from Red Rocks? Or is there going to be a tour video? Or is it possible background footage for a music video?

Sitting down! Hee! I actually was looking at this yesterday, but wasn't able to confirm it through tour schedules or the radio station in Houston. How do you feel about it? I know you were feeling conflicted recently. I think it would be an interesting show for sure. I feel the need for my favourite Idol peeps to meet. :icon_smile: I hope the world doesn't implode.

I feel good about it, I guess. I would like Jacob to be aware of Kris, and vice-versa. They're the same age, contemporaries. (And both former Idol contestants. Jacob is much more ambivalent about it, of course.) Their musicality is very similar, even if their personalities are different. Doing one show together? I don't know if they'd even meet. I wonder if the show will feature Hedley, the band, or just Jacob and Dave.

Howard is an Adam fan for sure. But I think it's funny that he's getting crap for the stuff he's posting. I mean clearly he's a fan. It's a good review peeps. Relax.

I had to read that twice. You're saying he's getting crap from Adam's fans? I don't get some of those people. Fans are really bugging me lately. Be a fan of the person and the music, but don't be his mom. Let him fight his own battles. And accept he's not perfect. And don't harrass critics who like him. Or critics who don't like him, for that matter.

Kris fans are just never this organized. They have names for things and everything.

I wouldn't be a Kris fan if they had names for everything! lol

I'm against over-buying of albums by fans, inflating the numbers. People talk about what if there was only one vote on Idol? What if fans would be limited to buying one single or one album? No buying of ten to fifty albums apiece, or gifting of 1000 singles. The real numbers would be quite different. I assume John Mayer's fans buy one single/album. Maybe not, but assuming they do, his numbers are real. Idol numbers can be very fake.

Lee's fans are maybe reacting to Kris's first week sales last year, and want him to sell more albums out of the gate. How many he will sell overall, though - who knows? Guess we'll find out. His season was sketchy and his performances weren't talked about, so he either has an uphill battle, or else he carries less "Idol stigma" than any past winner and it may actually help him.

At least nobody's claiming the voting was rigged this time.

Top 40 radio is my own personal nightmare right now.

I'm with you one that one.

 

[SleepinIn]

From someone I follow on Twitter..

Number 1 - What tv show is Brooke doing? I missed that.

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Number 2 - They give you a plaque for hitting the top 30? How many plaques do some of these recording artists have? You'd need a house just for the plaques.

The song was added to their playlists even before an adds date. I still don't see Z100, KIIS-FM or other major radio stations playing Elevator

I think it's going to be harder to get added to the big #1 markets for all of them on a second album. Elevator though has a youthful feel to it, and if it does get picked up on stations I think it could potentially do very well.

I was just thinking about Jason Castro's single though, how did that end up doing? I really liked it, but I never heard it on the radio.

I don't know if they'd even meet.

I was wondering that myself.

And don't harrass critics who like him. Or critics who don't like him, for that matter.

Word!

At least nobody's claiming the voting was rigged this time.

Chick-fil-a and AT&T took the year off. LOL

 

[ross 1]

Chick-fil-a and AT&T took the year off. LOL

I think Pizzaria Uno (Chicago style pizza) was probably behind the whole thing, though. Besides, Lee doesn't look like he eats a lot of Chik-fil-a.

I was wondering that myself.

I haven't heard anything from TommyMac, of course.

The thing about Jacob is, anything could happen. I like and admire him but if I knew him I doubt I'd trust him. He's a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing, in my opinion. I don't know what this has to do with anything. Just putting it out there.

I was just thinking about Jason Castro's single though, how did that end up doing? I really liked it, but I never heard it on the radio.

His EP was doing really well on iTunes, though, wasn't it? But, no, the single was not on my radio. I liked it a lot. Sometimes songs make comebacks - who knows? I wish it hadn't been snowing so hard the time Jason was here - I wanted to see him, in that venue at Berkeley. I'm no fan, especially, but there's something about the guy I think is charismatic. And offbeat. I'm curious about how that plays in person. I guess he hasn't done anything in Canada, either, has he?

Number 2 - They give you a plaque for hitting the top 30? How many plaques do some of these recording artists have? You'd need a house just for the plaques.

Top 30 what? Billboard? What chart? You get a plaque? And Randy gives them out?

Isn't it funny about Randy being the one judge left standing? I guess he offended the least number of people. I actually think keeping Kara would have been a good idea, I think I celebrated when she was canned, but Tyler, JLo, Kara, and Randy strikes me as a little bit more interesting. Or, if not Kara, then someone else. I've always preferred four judges.

 

[missaddicted]

It was announced last week that Elevator was Archie's new single, so I still think it's premature to say that it won't be successful. And I agree very much with SleepinIn on this:

I think it's going to be harder to get added to the big #1 markets for all of them on a second album. Elevator though has a youthful feel to it, and if it does get picked up on stations I think it could potentially do very well.

Anyway, I don't care that much about Archie, but he's a nice kid and I wish he does well.

As I said, I respect your personal preferences, but to say WWFM is a dance-pop stupid song is simply wrong. Do you claim Kris's "Live Like We're Dying" became a huge radio hit because it's a stupid dance song?

Yes, I do include WWFM in the forgettable pop stuff that plays on the radio all the time. It sounds like everything else on the radio these days. There's nothing that makes it stand out. And as I said, it's my opinion, and all opinions are valid. There are songs that I like on the radio now, but they're the exception rather than the norm and LLWD fits in there. Besides, it never played on the top 40 stations in Montréal, so I've never heard it on the radio myself, which may also explain why I don't put it in the same category as most other top 40 music.

SleepinIn, do you plan to watch the Polarie Prize gala tonight? I'll probably watch it, but I remember it was awfully long last year, so I wonder if I'll last all evening!

 

[SleepinIn]

I guess he hasn't done anything in Canada, either, has he?

Not really, Or not that I know about might be more accurate. He didn't sign a deal right away either though.

I actually think keeping Kara would have been a good idea, I think I celebrated when she was canned, but Tyler, JLo, Kara, and Randy strikes me as a little bit more interesting. Or, if not Kara, then someone else. I've always preferred four judges.

I think Kara had some real good points, but she was so awkward on tv. It was hard to warm up to her but yeah Randy being the only one left if a little odd, right? He'd better have something more interesting than dog to say to these kids.

SleepinIn, do you plan to watch the Polarie Prize gala tonight? I'll probably watch it, but I remember it was awfully long last year, so I wonder if I'll last all evening!

I'm going to try - but I'll probably just watch parts too. There were a lot of gaps last year, eh? Food fights... lol

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[CapsuleNeo]

Yes, I do include WWFM in the forgettable pop stuff that plays on the radio all the time. It sounds like everything else on the radio these days. There's nothing that makes it stand out. And as I said, it's my opinion, and all opinions are valid. There are songs that I like on the radio now, but they're the exception rather than the norm and LLWD fits in there. Besides, it never played on the top 40 stations in Montréal, so I've never heard it on the radio myself, which may also explain why I don't put it in the same category as most other top 40 music.

How is LLWD not the norm? It's a radio friendly song. It is a cover of The Script's song and The Script's songs are being played on top40 radio. Their kind of music are nothing new and there are many similar acts such as One Republic, Train, Maroon 5 that are being played on top40 radio. I'm confused now. You don't like the mainstream music yet you are a fan of American Idol? :? Idol contestants are first and foremost expected to be commercially successful. That's the point of the show - to successfully showcase and market singers. If someone wants to find non-mainstream artist who produces non-commercial music then they wouldn't look for him or her on American Idol.

 

[missaddicted]

I actually like a lot of diverse stuff. I love pop music. And I used to listen to mainstream radio all the time before. I've just gotten tired of it in the last year or so. All the songs have started to sound the same to me. I don't know, maybe it's because I've started to broaden my musical horizons more in the last years that I find it sad that there's not a lot of diversity in the mainstream world. I actually listen to a lot of radio friendly music... that just doesn't play on the radio. Doesn't seem to make sense, LOL, but it's true! I love discovering new artists and I don't really care if I discover them on CBC Radio 3 or American Idol, as long as I love the music. And I don't like all the artists that come from American Idol, David Cook and Kris Allen are pretty much the only two that I've bought music from and that I intend to follow for a long time.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

I'm a fan of David Cook but I know that his music is generic rock that are played on the radio all the time. His music doesn't differ from other acts like Daughtry, Nickelback, Hinder. That's why I don't get your comments about "diversity".

 

[missaddicted]

Well, I'll beg to differ. I don't listen to Daughtry, Nickelback and Hinder and don't like their music. But I love David's music, most of the time. I do find it generic sometimes, but even with the songs I like less, his voice is enough to keep my attention. As I've stated several times in this forum, I don't know if I'll always love David's music, because it's not my favorite type of music. I believe that if David has his way, I'll continue to love it, but I am aware that if the label has their way, he might have to continue to do a kind of generic rock music that I won't get into as much.

Anyway, I don't think I need to defend why I like what I like and why I watch American Idol. I can be a fan of the show and still not like everything that comes from the contestants after they're done with the show.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

As I said before, I respect your personal preferences. I'm just saying that your comments like "LLWD is the exception rather than the norm" don't make sense. The fact is that David and Kris's music are the norm and they are not really different from many pop/rock acts that are being played on the radio. That's my point.

 

[ross 1]

Idol contestants are first and foremost expected to be commercially successful.

People don't like artists because they're commercially successful. They like them because they like them. A person can like American Idol because they enjoy watching competitive reality shows, or because they like Ryan Seacrest's hot body. missaddicted can like whatever she wants. You can't pigeonhole people's tastes.

Did you come here to argue?

 

[missaddicted]

"LLWD is the exception rather than the norm"

LLWD is the exception rather than the norm, for me. I don't really care what anybody else thinks about this. The norm being that I'm not a fan of the music that's on the radio usually and the exception being that I like LLWD.

And now I'm done explaining my tastes. Watching the Polaris Prize gala is much more rewarding.

 

[CapsuleNeo]

People don't like artists because they're commercially successful. They like them because they like them. A person can like American Idol because they enjoy watching competitive reality shows, or because they like Ryan Seacrest's hot body. missaddicted can like whatever she wants. You can't pigeonhole people's tastes.

Did you come here to argue?

Isn't this a discussion forum? I was just expressing my opinions because I disagree with what missaddicted said about music that are being played on the radio. What's wrong with that? She said that the radio is ruled by dance-pop stupid songs. I don't think that's true. Plus, I don't like so-called music fans who try to show how superior their music tastes are to the mainstream. Just because the mainstream radio don't play your favorite artist's song it doesn't mean they are playing bad songs.

 

[SleepinIn]

Everyone will always have their own ideas about what they like musically. That's pretty much a given. We all just like what we like.


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