Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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This stuff about Adam and Kris and Haiti relief...I find it a little bizarre. I know it's a good cause and all, but it's weird combining the two. It's weird that this goofball stuff raises money, but the plight of people in need doesn't do it all by itself.

I don't really want the continuation of Kradam, besides. It has been nice without it. Kris needs to be minus Adam, and I think he's been successfully accomplishing that.
Season 8 is over forever.

Okay, I'm going out for a while. I'll leave you with this, from a blog post:

the people at idf removed ben honeycutt from the list. here’s their new, updated “confirmed” list:

alex lambert
andrew garcia
chris golightly
david duke
jermaine sellers
john park
lee dewyze
michael lynch
tyler grady
ashley rodriguez
haeley vaughn
lacey brown
lilly scott
michelle delamor
katie stevens
 
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This stuff about Adam and Kris and Haiti relief...I find it a little bizarre. I know it's a good cause and all, but it's weird combining the two. It's weird that this goofball stuff raises money, but the plight of people in need doesn't do it all by itself.

I know what you mean, but I think that everything that brings money to Haiti is a good thing, no matter how it happens. And the plight of people in need has driven people to give money. I wouldn't mind a Kradam bubbletweet if it's to get money for a good cause. Who knows if they would even be able to do it.

I agree with you about CI vs. AI. But maybe it's easy to say all those good things about CI now that we haven't seen it for a while. I loved the judges and the themes mostly, but I still remember how the talent was very uneven in season 5 and how regional voting could give some weird results. But, yeah, I don't have any respect for the AI judges. I'm curious to see how Ellen does, but I'm not incredibly optimistic.

That's too bad about Ben Honeycutt. I was ready to root for only because of his name (and some youtube videos)! Maybe their info was just not 100% verified and they'll put him back on the list later. I'm crossing my fingers! ETA: Apparently, Ben is not out at all of the top 24. We'll see. The people who provide the spoilers have been very reliable throughout the years, but I guess it's not super easy to get the accurate info.

ETA2: Oh, and I don't know the answer to your question re: the AT40 countdown.
 

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I have a question. Supposedly Kris (LLWD) entered the countdown on Seacrest 's Top 40, at #26. Just recently. What? Two weeks ago? And now Adam's WWFM is entering that countdown. I don't really get that. In other words, why did it take so long for them to play Kris? Yet Adam is already squeaking into the countdown.

I think Kris would have been on it a few weeks ago if not for the year end countdown stuff. That affected Kris on the countdown show since they didn't play the regular one.

I agree CI should celebrate their former contestants. And actually if the show had been airing they would have had a lot to celebrate this year. Carly's singles did really well, then Oliver and Sebastian's songs being used on Being Erica. They should have been promoting them all along though totally agree.
 

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I agree CI should celebrate their former contestants.

That's a good point for sure, but I was referring to former winners. Not Carly or the Pigott Bros. That's more like what I said about Jacob.

I just think the show shouldn't treat former winners (other than the previous year's) like they don't exist. It just makes the whole show seem hypocritcal to ignore the very people who they made such a big deal of when they won it. It's called "Canadian Idol" and is supposed to be a contest to find the best. The people who won the foolish thing get passed over for Jacob, or whoever. The show is the one place that that shouldn't happen! They act ashamed or forgetful of their own winners.

Anyhow, it probably won't come back, so it's kind of a moot point.

Thanks for answering my question about the Seacrest countdown.

I know now what was getting me down, earlier -- it was all the crap I've been reading online yesterday and today (esp. you know where). This was a great week for Kris. He made Top 10 on on HAC (yay!), his video made the Top 5 on VH1 (yay!), his single went gold (yaaay!). And I think his album made gains, too (yay!). I was really happy about all this until I read all the negative posts about him and his prospects ... you know where.

I realized all this when I went to the mall and walked by the Hollister store and heard Live Like We're Dying blasting out of the doors. Our boy has a hit, folks.

I grew up in a different era, I guess, when having a hit record on the radio was the goal of every artist. Because that meant fame and success. People knowing who you are, knowing your song, liking you and your song. Album sales matter, of course, but for a new artist (which is how I see Kris), first you have to sell the song on the radio, and establish yourself as somebody popular and important.

Not that Kris's album sales are even bad. This has been pointed out many times. They're just not "American Idol super successful".

Someone on MJ's called Kris a failure because of his album sales, but common sense told me with all the success I mentioned above, "failure" would hardly be the word.

The person was an Adam fan. I thought: Kris really has had no actual flops (maybe NB, I don't know about that. It probably sold better than a lot of things have). He won the show, he sold his single well, his Jingle Ball and other live performances were successful, etc. His album is not a flop, either. And it's still selling.

This is the thing about Kris, to me. Not really messing up. Going steadily forward. Making nice gains.

Adam has had some actual flops. Time For Miracles was not expcted to flop, and it did. FYE, also a flop. His AMA performance was a mess. I would call it a flop -- it was a failure as a performance and it failed to sell the record or to launch him into the stratosphere professionally. All his fans can point to are his album sales, which is fine, he deserves credit. And WWFM is doing reasonably well and is not yet a big hit, but not a flop. But still. Not a stellar track record, exactly.

Just saying.

I agree with you about CI vs. AI. But maybe it's easy to say all those good things about CI now that we haven't seen it for a while. I loved the judges and the themes mostly, but I still remember how the talent was very uneven in season 5 and how regional voting could give some weird results. But, yeah, I don't have any respect for the AI judges. I'm curious to see how Ellen does, but I'm not incredibly optimistic.

I was mainly saying I personally love CI compared to AI. It's a personal thing. I feel a warm feeling for it. I feel compatible with it. I would probably like to hang out with some of those people.

Like, I just read how Simon arrives only shortly before going on the air, and fifteeen minutes after the show is over, he's gone. While Zack is known as someone who's available to the contestants. Just as an example.
 
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That's a good point for sure, but I was referring to former winners. Not Carly or the Pigott Bros. That's more like what I said about Jacob.

Oops! Misread you. *sheepish grin* They had Ryan back didn't they? And Kalan came back.. did Eva? Maybe not.

Like, I just read how Simon arrives only shortly before going on the air, and fifteeen minutes after the show is over, he's gone. While Zack is known as someone who's available to the contestants. Just as an example.

Simon has been phoning in his interest for a long time, hasn't he? For $45 million a year I'd get interested or move on. Which I guess he has. It's better for all of us, don'tcha think? For me, he can move along now. lol
 

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Eva did come back on the season 5 finale. Of course, all the winners came back on the finale of the season after theirs. I think her second album was released only after season 6 was over. Kalan and Ryan came back on the Top 3 results show in season 5 (with Hedley as well), since they all had recent releases to promote. Melissa never released another album, so I guess since she never had anything to promote, that's why she didn't come back a second time. And Brian appeared on the season 6 finale. I guess I never felt that CI was turning its back to the previous winners. And you know I'm not a big fan of Jacob and Hedley, but I believe Jacob is really the only super-success that CI "created", so it kind of made sense to me that they would want to celebrate it. We'll see how Kalan does with his next album. The other winners just haven't really had that much success honestly, contrary to several AI winners. Yes, I'm sure they're better off now than they were before, but what are Ryan, Melissa, Eva and Brian doing right now? Even Theo, where will his career go?
 

ross 1

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You guys don't get what I mean at all! lol

Oh, well. Did you notice last year how AI had ALL the AI winners back? Has CI ever done anything like that? It's more like they have the obligatory "last year's winner" back, as well as when someone has "something to promote." How about having them back just out of respect that they won the show? Is it all about "promoting", all the time? Apparently it is.
 
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Yes, it is. Unfortunately. But I understand how it is so. That's the way it works. I'm watching the Globes and pretty much all the presenters who are there have a movie coming out soon or a TV show that will start soon. It's always about promotion. Or almost always.
 

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Yes, it is. Unfortunately. But I understand how it is so. That's the way it works. I'm watching the Globes and pretty much all the presenters who are there have a movie coming out soon or a TV show that will start soon. It's always about promotion. Or almost always.

The Academy Awards has former winners on -- sometimes a large group -- all of them that can make it --and it isn't to promote anything. It's out of respect.

I'm talking about doing the same thing. But if you think the only time they have a right to respect is when they become successes after the show, then I think we're not coming from the same place. I'm saying the show should celebrate its own Idol winners for having been Idol winners and nothing more than that. There are a lot of people who think this, by the way. There have been a lot of posts on TWoP about it over the years.

But it's okay if you don't agree. I just wanted to make that point because it's something I believe in, myself. Also, I think it makes for nice television. A sentimental moment. Not everyone likes that sentimental stuff, though, I understand.
 

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Of course, I like sentimental stuff. I'm just trying to rationalize how it works in the in industry. But honestly? I don't really care. I don't want this to turn into a huge debate. I don't think it's worth it. It's not even something I've thought about before so I'm officially dropping this now.
 

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Top 24!!

22 23 SHINEDOWN If You Only Knew 2979 2850 129 12.657
27 24 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We're Dyin... 2920 2484 436 16.99
28 25 TIMBALAND Carry Out f/Justin T... 2875 2311 564 18.442

(and #15 on itunes... )
 

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Simon has been phoning in his interest for a long time, hasn't he? For $45 million a year I'd get interested or move on. Which I guess he has. It's better for all of us, don'tcha think? For me, he can move along now. lol

Yes, I agree. It's funny how when you're paid that much regardless of how well you do, it removes all motovation to try to improve or to work hard at it. I feel a little sorry for Simon. He doesn't really see what he could get out of his position. It seems all about the getting, with him, where if he learned to give he'd be a much happier person. My dime store analysis for the day. :p

Of course, I like sentimental stuff. I'm just trying to rationalize how it works in the in industry.

I'm sure you're as sentimental as anyone. :) Didn't mean it like that, I just wanted to make my point about how the Idols returning might be a memorable moment, might be nice for them, for their fans, etc.

I think you're right, though -- it does work that way in the industry. Especially in the past 25 years or so. The entertainment industry just keeps getting less and less human, I think. I try not to go along with it and I bitch about it from time to time.


Chugging along just fine!
 

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Guys, I really have to apologize for writing so much today. Why should you have to read all my ramblings? Must be annoying. I have no idea why I felt I had to say so much. Thanks for bothering to try to respond.
 

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Guys, I really have to apologize for writing so much today. Why should you have to read all my ramblings?

Well, you listen to me go off on tangents, seems only fair. ;)

Covers...

Seen this one?

YouTube - Live Like We're Dying - Kris Allen/The Script (cover) by Austin Collazo and Justin Talbert

This is neat - but brief.

http://www.theschoolofstyle.com/blog/scenes-kris-allen-fox-news/

Scroll down for behind the scenes New Years photos on the 7th
http://www.theschoolofstyle.com/blog/2010/01/
 
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Thanks, SleepinIn, actually I have seen that cover you posted I think one of us linked to it a while ago! It was good to hear again, actually.

Wasn't the drum part in the one I linked to weird? Like military drumbeats. The guy didn't have a bad voice but the arrangement was so slow and had no life. Bloomington is where the U of Indiana is, I think. For whatever that's worth.

That style stuff was interesting. Luke Storey. Where have I heard that name? I didn't think I knew the names of any stylists.

If Kris is going on tour shouldn't we be hearing about it soon? Did you hear him mention (somewhere) he may open for someone? He seemed subliminally excited about it. I wonder who it's for.
 

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Kris does LLWD so much better, right? These two covers aren't bad, but they're kind of missing some rhythm!

And ross, don't apologize. It's great to have healthy discussions. Yesterday, I felt the discussion heating up, and since I don't really want to have heated discussions with you guys (so many other places for that), I prefered getting myself out of it.