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I'm glad KA and DC are your Idols! -- of course they are, missaddicted! And no offense to CI, but they are both probably better than any of the six winners of CI so far -- in my humble opinion. Why that is, I don't know. I just think so.

I think you might be missing my point a bit? I don't know. I meant that in the US, whoever is the American Idol winner is going to get a lot of attention because in the minds of most people he/she was elected by us just like the presidents, or whoever!

After all, we voted that person as the best, and maybe in Canada, if they had the vote, they might have voted for someone else. Maybe tastes are different. I'm tired so I can't post any more tonight, but I guess I meant that even though Adam is popular, in the US there is still respect and love for "our" American Idol, where elsewhere there is not that national pride entering into it. The albums all have stickers that say "The First Album From Your American Idol Winner." Or something like that. Here, they say that. Elsewhere, they may not.
 
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OMG, C.R.A.C.K.? Just got what it was for. You both wrote that recently and I was wondering what the hell you were talking about. Got it now!

Thanks for the info about David's songs playing on the radio in Canada, good to know!
 
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ross, I think we get what you're saying. I guess it's just so hard to decide which factors are really in play here. It's a combination of several factors and I think we were trying to see what other factors might be implicated in the "no love for Kris in Canada" situation.
 
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OMG, C.R.A.C.K.? Just got what it was for. You both wrote that recently and I was wondering what the hell you were talking about. Got it now!
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LOL! Yep, Chris, Ryland, Andrew, Cale, and Kris.

ross, I think we get what you're saying. I guess it's just so hard to decide which factors are really in play here. It's a combination of several factors and I think we were trying to see what other factors might be implicated in the "no love for Kris in Canada" situation.
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So that we can fix it. Kris needs Canadian love, otherwise he'll never come here. :(
 
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Yes, fix it and soon!

I think you guys make a lot of good points!!! About Adam being gay...it wasn't about him being gay, really. If Anoop was gay, and in all other ways was Anoop, I think I can safely say it would have been something rather interesting that would have gotten some press and then been mostly forgotten. I mean, Neil Patrick Harris is out, and Lance Bass is out, and that kid from Who's The Boss?, but it's not like they became the focus of media attention to the extent of Adam. Adam gets this attention because he's an OTT, flamboyant performer who often deliberately tries to say things that get attention, because he wears makeup and, occasionally, dresses, and is generally outrageous. There were all kinds of crazy pics on the internet of him with his boyfriend Brad. In all kinds of outfits, and kissing. Not just two guys kissing. Two freaky looking guys kissing. It wasn't about being gay, altogether. hat would have gotten old fast. It was about the freak show. And yes, he does milk it.

I always feel like responding when you guys say that in Canada no on cares if you're gay. First, why do you think Adam has gotten much more press in Canada than Kris or anyone else? It's not just because of his singing. It's because of his gay, OTT flamboyance, just the same as here.

Yes, the media gives a lot of attention to his gayness, here, because the entertainment media here is great at building anything into news that really isn't news. So that they can report on the news they create. I don't think most real people care if Adam is gay or not. I don't think they even care about Adam -- in the months since he won Idol I've heard him discussed twice. Both times, about his AMA performance. The media seems to say the world is abuzz with talk of Adam Lambert. I think only the media is. But anyhow, we're pretty tolerant.
 
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ross: hat would have gotten old fast.
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...so thank goodness he doesn't usually wear one, I guess!!

Thanks you guys for trying to answer the question.

I completely agree. Kris got labeled the nice Christian boy in the media to Adam's super amazing Glam god. Neither of which are true representations of them. Kris is nice and Christian, and Adam likes glam music (especially Lady Gaga.. seriously get that boy on her tour, they'll have a ball) but that isn't what makes them who they are as people.
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And as I recall it was also (as you said, more or less) "safe, uncreative, dull" guy vs. "edgy, creative, interesting" guy. I'd like to go into all I feel about all this, but it would take pages. Mainly, what I've taken from it is a distrust of music critics. So many have agendas that have nothing to do with the quality of the music or performer.

Kris was definitely put in a box. It was as if, to many critics, he was some kind of symbol in their minds. Of all they think is ignorant or backward about Southerners and Christains. Instead of just a typical American kid who happens to be Southern and religious, and active in his religion. I'm not saying all these people were consciously prejudiced. I doubt many were. I'm sure many were just lazy thinkers unwilling to question their own perceptions. That's kind of a media hallmark.

But there is a lot of conscious liberal (and anti-Southern, and even anti-religious) snobbery in the media. (I'm saying this as a Northern liberal, myself.) The New York Times was really guilty of this, re Kris. They were irresponsible. They were very deliberately biased and didn't care.

And so many critics who aren't even necessarily snobs just don't even bother to listen to music, apparently, and judge artists on their abilities.

But all this was/is just temporary, you know. You just have to wait it out. Kris isn't going to lose out. Not only is he good musically but he's a special person, a great person. Who's going to be very well known and respected, if not beloved, in the future - probably the not too distant future. Don't even worry about it.

And to the media, who kept calling Kris the "safe choice" they didn't take into account the fact that Kris was amazing, and had an unflappable ability to stay true to himself, and make ballsy decisions about music on a show that will twist you into a musical equivalent of a pretzel.
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Exactly. They don't even bother to think for themselves. I was really surprised by all the supposed music experts, who "saw" Kris as safe and "saw" Adam as "bold" -- simply due to surfaces. I'm sure a lot of them don't even really watch the show with any care. I'm surprised so many were taken in by appearances.

But any thinking person knows that the "ignorant" public is smarter than the media, that we're one or two steps ahead of them all the time. You really have to look at the way things are actually trending, and ignore (if possible) what the media tells you "people" are thinking, right? I think so.

In the case of Kris, you have only to see what kind of reception audiences give him. If he was "flopping," or "boring," he would be being ignored, booed, whatever. He's building slowly, and it's the best way. The hell with the media, folks, use your eyes and ears.

And Kris with C.R.A.C.K. are just plain great. It's pretty hard to believe that they've only played together in public since that Miami performance. And I've gone off on a tangent.. but I agree with you. People really still don't know how entertaining Kris is.
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He's winning them over one by one, though, right? He's not losing a lot of them, it seems. So they will know. :)
 
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It seems this guy made the Top 50 (Ben Honeycutt):

YouTube - Use Somebody - Kings of Leon - [wildolivetree]

Apparently, he has a lot of buzz on some sites, even though his audition wasn't shown in Atlanta. He has several videos on youtube (including Man In the Mirror and Ain't No Sunshine!) and most of them have a lot of views. I'm not completely sold, but he's not uninteresting either.

Ain't No Sunshine (he recorded his video before Kris did it on Idol):

YouTube - Ain't No Sunshine - Bill Withers - [wildolivetree]
 
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Kris was #5 on the VH1 countdown! Up one spot!

More spoilers are coming through. Apparently, the top 24 was chosen yesterday.

Katie Stevens was one of the chosen. We saw her in Boston (with her grandma suffering from Alzheimer's disease). I didn't think much of her audition, but she has some pretty good videos on youtube. She makes me think a bit of Amberly.

YouTube - Katie Stevens Singing "Come Home" by OneRepublic

YouTube - Katie Stevens Singing "Bubbly" by Colbie Caillat

There's no way I'm going to watch the video of her singing Miley Cirus's The Climb, though.
 
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Honeycutt's ANS was really nice, I liked it. It was different from Kris's but still nice. It will be interesting to see if he can make it into the top 10 and Katie really does give off an Amberly vibe. Where is Amberly anyway?

I always feel like responding when you guys say that in Canada no on cares if you're gay. First, why do you think Adam has gotten much more press in Canada than Kris or anyone else? It's not just because of his singing. It's because of his gay, OTT flamboyance, just the same as here.
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Yeah, maybe I was too simplistic. Adam being gay was definitely a bullet point in the stories here too. It might just be that the media in general in Canada tends to not go too deep into personal lives of anyone they cover. But I think Adam's dominant presence in the media is that people tend to believe (and repeat ad nauseum) what Simon says on Idol. So Simon says Adam is a worldwide superstar -- it gets repeated a lot and - boom - that's the tagline of every story. If you look at the news almost everything is filtered from the same couple sources. It's really interesting to watch sometimes. Frustrating, but interesting.

and Yay!! still going up on VH1.. I didn't vote all that much this week. I'll have to turn up the voting next week.
 
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They're both good, though personally I don't like girls who sing from the back of the throat, if you know what I mean. Sing from the back of your throat and you'll know what I mean.

He has a really good voice. And of course he sounds a little like Kris at times.
 
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Where is Amberly anyway?
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Take a look at the TWoP CI thread. Miracle Max linked to some live performances of hers on the previous page (page 1260, maybe).

But I think Adam's dominant presence in the media is that people tend to believe (and repeat ad nauseum) what Simon says on Idol. So Simon says Adam is a worldwide superstar -- it gets repeated a lot and - boom - that's the tagline of every story.
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I don't search Adam on the 'net so that might be true, but I actually haven't seen a lot of that. Not disputing it, I just haven't seen it. I do see a lot of his fans saying it. Anyway, knowing my countrymen as I do, they aren't going to just accept what the media tells them. They're more likely to doubt it. (And they haven't gone along with Simon for the last two seasons, either. :) )

I was in Target today and saw Kris's, Adam's, and Allison's CDs on the shelves. Adam's cover really does stick out like a sore thumb, and Kris's is harder to see. He (Kris) happened to be next to Justin Beiber, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. As I was browsing around, I noticed that Adam's CDs were also featured on one of the endcaps where the biggest albums are displayed, and it was in a prominent spot. No sign of Kris on an endcap. That made me kind of upset. How dare they?

But then I noticed something. Under Adam's CDs on the endcap was the label, "Beyonce. I Am Sasha Fierce." Apparently her slot had been empty, so some Adamtard (perhaps?) had moved about 5 or 6 of his CDs into it. Let's just say Beyonce's slot is empty again and Adam's CDs are back where they belong, on the shelf under his own name.

Anything I can do to help out Target with their shelf-stocking issues, I'm more than happy to do.
 
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MJ's post today:

"God. Please tell me we aren’t re-hashing the S8 voting bullcrap. We aren’t right?"

Yes, they actually are, MJ. yes, they are. Arkansas, AT&T, block parties, etc. It just never gets old.

Yesterday someone on that blog got to me when they said Adam works hard at his interviews and is pleasant and articulate or some such crap, and "at least he doesn't just answer every question with 'I know, right?'" I'm not really putting it across, here. It was very la-de-dah. So for some reason I just quoted the whole post and replied, "Well, la-de-dah." It made me feel better, anyhow. I can't take these people lately.

There were also a lot of posts labeling Kris a "failure." Only these asshats could label Kris a failure on the week his single went gold, in the Top 20 on iTunes, and has the #5 video on VH1.

Oh, and in Newbury Comics Kris has his own card, now (in the bins). And it's even spelled right (Not "Chris Allon." lol) ... Adam's CD is unfortunately filed under "Miscellaneous L".
 
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But then I noticed something. Under Adam's CDs on the endcap was the label, "Beyonce. I Am Sasha Fierce." Apparently her slot had been empty, so some Adamtard had moved about 5 or 6 of his CDs into it. Let's just say Beyonce's slot is empty again and Adam's CDs are back where they belong, on the shelf under his own name.

Anything I can do to help out Target with their shelf-stocking issues, I'm more than happy to do.
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That made me LOL! :) You didn't want to move Kris to the endcaps?

It was very la-de-dah. So for some reason I just quoted the whole post and replied, "Well, la-de-dah." It made me feel better, anyhow. I can't take these people lately
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I saw that and it seriously cracked me up. :p
 
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I saw that and it seriously cracked me up.
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I'm surprised it wasn't deleted!

So I think I actually did just have post deleted over there, not sure why -- not that I'm going to get my panties in a bunch about it. I replied to the "Kris is a failure" thing. I said that this week he made Top 10 on HAC, his single went gold, it went into the Top 20 on iTunes for a while, his video went up to #5, and his album climbed about 50-60 spots on iTunes. But I got edited with the comment, "don't bait." Becuase I said something like "funny how he's called a failure this particular week." Or words to that effect. I never understand the etiquette over there, but you aren't supposed to question motives. A little hard not to.

You would think the original post calling Kris a "failure" would be considered baiting, though! Guess not.

Anyhow, what's new with you? :)
 
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Did you see the Adam cover of Rockstar Weekly - that fan magazine? It's sort of unfortunate looking.
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Do you have a picture?

Those videos were John Park BTW, not Tyler!

Is that like a biography of Kris the other link you posted? They have lots of pictures!

ETA: Spoilers! Also, in the top 24, Ashley, the OMG! 16! (MJ said she's 22, but I was sure she was 16, but maybe I've got some people confused) girl the judges loved in Boston and who's already getting on my nerves. And Jermaine Sellers, the guy who sang One of Us at the Atlanta auditions. I hope he learns to keep the runs under control, because he seems to have a nice voice.
 
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No picture of Rockstar weekly? Must we do all the work? (that's a joke)...

On page three of that fan tribute, there's a pic from the Worcester show, where Kris is sitting and Ryland is there, and Cale...there's a white wall and red carpet...

They were sitting near us, watching the show. As soon as they came out, women of all ages started to try to go out by that door (to get a close-up look at Kris) -- but they were directed to another door (by that older woman in the pic). Then they got up to go to the bathroom, even though they didn't have to pass Kris to actually get to the bathroom...but they managed to detour that way. It was really funny.
 
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