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missaddicted

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SQUEE!!! Cook did a NEW song tonight during his show!!! NEW! Like never heard before! A song that may end up on his second album!

Can I stay up all night to way for a vid, would it be unreasonable?

OK, yeah, I'll wait until the morning! But, SQUEE for new song!!!
 

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Missaddicted .. it's a holiday tomorrow... :) Although.. I guess not for you :(

You were asking so here they are - the Rivoli Performances from CI
Yellow (Jesse, Amberly, Katelyn, Mitch)
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Grapevine (Gary, Omar, Drew) (my fave!!)
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Adam, Lindsey
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Have You Ever Seen the Rain (Martin, Paul, Lindsey, Shawn)
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Fly Like An Eagle (Sebastian, Oliver, Tatiana)
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missaddicted

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Missaddicted .. it's a holiday tomorrow... :icon_smile:

Not in Québec.

Ooh nice the Rivoli performances, I'll have to download that, thanks!

A girl is uploading her video right now... but her youtube says it won't be up until 40 minutes or so, I'll just have to go to bed. I WANT now, LOL!
 

ross 1

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No holiday for you, missaddicted? Oh, well. I've been watching Kris's Vineyard performance of Let It Rain. The quality of the sound is pretty good but I'm hoping for something more HQ. And also hoping for the rest of the songs.

Also voted for People's Choice. What a bad pic of Kris on that site! (Adam's is bad, too...so is Susan Boyle's...)

missaddicted I was just looking at the iTunes albums chart.

Apple - iTunes - iTunes Store - Charts - Top 10 Albums

It shows how Robbie Williams doesn't have the popularity in the US he has in other countries.
 
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missaddicted

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No holiday, the night has been a bit short to say the least! But, hey, I'm the only one to blame!

Kris news first:

iTunes must have gotten complaints, because the pre-order now includes the bonus song! I'll have to cancel my pre-order. Too bad for Kris's sales, but better for my wallet!

And the video is available on iTunes, I just bought it!

Adam's FYE first week sales? Disappointing to say the least. They're almost shockingly bad.

Numbers:

82 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 18397 999 0 18397

He sold 18 397 copies of the single. Last year? Archie's Crush sold 166 000 copies in its first week and the much maligned Light On? 109 000 copies. Is Adam's huge fanbase a myth?

But I just saw Kris's numbers for the first time and they're a bit sad also:

139 103 ALLEN*KRIS LIVE LIKE WE'RE DYING 14754 41 10444 98151

He sold 14 744 in the last week, which is a good increase compared to the 10 444 sold the week before, so he's on the right way, but his totals are only at 98 151 copies? That's a bit sad. If he reaches gold, I will be happy.

OK, now the reason I stayed up until 2:15. The new Cook song. My expectations were high. And they were not met. I was a bit disappointed. I still am. Don't get me wrong, it's a good song. But it has this uncanny resemblance to two of his previous songs, Souvenir and Straight Ahead, and the sum is definitely not greater than the individual parts. Love the two songs, but I didn't need a mash-up. I wanted something NEW! The lyrics seem pretty interesting, but the melody is bah, and there isn't really a hook or something. Feels like an impenetrable wall of guitars.

Anyway, I'll let this one grow on me, it might take time. Here's Make Believe:

YouTube - David Cook - Make Believe - St Louis

YouTube - Make Believe
 

ross 1

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Wikipedia article about how RIAA certification is determined:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_certification

He sold 14 744 in the last week, which is a good increase compared to the 10 444 sold the week before, so he's on the right way, but his totals are only at 98 151 copies? That's a bit sad. If he reaches gold, I will be happy.

At this point, I'm just really happy that LLWD, which a lot of people were completely counting out, increased its sales by 4300 copies over the previous week, and that it went from being in the 130's on the iTunes sales ranking, all the way back to the middle of the Top 100. (Today it has dropped a bit, down to 71). The song continues to be added to radio stations and to get more airplay. (And there's a video now.) It's actually still being discovered and I think it will do better than the predictions.

As for Adam, his sales figures are going to show a big bump since the song is #26 on iTunes, currently.

He sold 18 397 copies of the single. Last year? Archie's Crush sold 166 000 copies in its first week and the much maligned Light On? 109 000 copies. Is Adam's huge fanbase a myth?

Frankly, I've always found it really hard to accept these figures at face value. I mean, I'm not disputing the figures, themselves. But there must be reasons behind them that haven't been taken into account. Did someone say that last year was the first time Idol singles were available on iTunes? Could that account for the big first week sales? The novelty?

I find it hard to believe that Cook and Archie were so much more popular than Kris and Adam that their sales translate as their having had five times as many fans, or more. Because that's how the first week sales figure out.

I don't really understand what it proves when people buy a song in huge numbers right away and then stop buying it as much. It mainly proves the original fans wanted it, but that it had to struggle to pick up new fans. On the other hand, if a song that starts out rather weakly ends up building over time the more people hear it on the radio, that would indicate the song (possibly the artist) is growing on people, which I think is preferable.

Of course at this time I can't predict how either Adam's or Kris's songs will do, so who knows? (Or if they'll have other singles that might do better, or worse, for that matter.)

Anyhow, back to my original thought. There's something else going on. Maybe more people are illegally downloading. Maybe more are saving their money and listening to songs on YouTube. Maybe last year there were less interesting new songs to choose from at this time, and less competition? I don't know. It doesn't really seem logical.

Of course it is possible that last year's winner and runner up were/are just much more popular.
 
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Did someone say that last year was the first time Idol singles were available on iTunes? Could that account for the big first week sales? The novelty?

No, they're talking about the Idol performances. iTunes has been selling singles for years. The Idol performances on iTunes started to be available during season 7 though (or maybe a bit at the end of season 6).

But if it started slowly and ended up doing solid business over time, that would indicate actual popularity based on quality.

That's actually what happened with Light On. Yes, the first week was very good, but it had definitely a slow build after that! It stayed on the radio for months and it took it almost a year to become platinum. Archie's Crush had a bigger first week sales, its shelf life was shorter (which normal for a top 40 song compared to a HAC song like Light On), but it still sold double platinum. If not double platinum, then it was really close.

So I don't really understand what it proves when people buy a song in huge numbers right away and then stop buying it as much. It mainly proves the original fans wanted it, but that it had to struggle to pick up new fans. On the other hand, if a song that starts out rather weakly ends up building and growing over time the more people hear it on the radio, that would indicate the song is growing on people, which I think is preferable.

I agree, but it's never that clean cut. A song can start strong and stay strong. A song can start slow and never pick up that much. LLWD is doing okay. But, we have to be realistic, it's not putting the charts on fire either. Yes, it still has time to grow, for sure, but I don't think it will become this huge megahit either. Just trying to put some perspective to the numbers here.

Anyhow, back to my original thought. There's something else going on. Maybe more people are illegally downloading. Maybe more are saving their money and listening to songs on YouTube. Maybe last year there were less interesting new songs to choose from at this time. Or maybe Cook and Archie are hugely popular and Kris and Adam are not.

Yes, a lot of factors have to be considered. But, in the end, sales numbers are still one of the most important things for a musician. If your music doesn't sell, don't count on the record label to keep you on their roster forever.
 

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That's actually what happened with Light On. Yes, the first week was very good, but it had definitely a slow build after that! It stayed on the radio for months and it took it almost a year to become platinum.

LO's first week sales proved that DC had a large fan base coming off Idol. But then he had to sell it to the rest of the world. The song had a slow build after the first week or two. Just because LLWD didn't have as strong an opening, I still don't see why it can't keep selling or even increase in sales, and do as well as LO after a year. I mean, right now it's only been out about a month and a half, and its sales are currently increasing, I'm not so quick to be pessimistic about it.

But, we have to be realistic, it's not putting the charts on fire either. Yes, it still has time to grow, for sure, but I don't think it will become this huge megahit either. Just trying to put some perspective to the numbers here.

I'd still rather see a song going up the charts than down and I think it's a positve sign that it's still increasing in airplay. I just noticed that a station in Honolulu added it yesterday, for example. Probably not the only one.

Radios That are Living Like They're Dying - Google Maps

If the song really does as well in airplay as it seems to be doing, it's bound to increase in sales, I think. It may not become a huge megahit but my expectations were never for that. I guess I'm just more optimistic about its chances than you are, but I don't actually think I'm being at all unrealistic at this point.
 
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I agree but I've learned that realistic expectations are the best expectations. I had a good example of that during the night...

Thanks for the videos, I'll have to watch later...

Adam is doing better on iTunes, yes, but it's because of the album pre-order. Here's a copy-paste of an explanation since I have to run:

It is currently charting at #26 on iTunes which is still not spectacular, but the single numbers should improve next week. Current chart increase is due to the album pre-order that allows you to download the single immediately that went up yesterday. It was the same way with DCTR. There is also a banner on the main page. These single sales will be subtracted from the total once people complete their albums on 11/23.

So, the numbers will go up, but won't necessarily stay up. These sales from the pre-order count towards the album sales, not the single sales per se.
 
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missaddicted

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You changed your post! Now mine doesn't make sense!

I just thought about something else concerning the differences between last year and this year.

First, Cook had the Magic Rainbow. It was a pretty big success on the radio during the summer and went platinum pretty fast. It exposed him to non-Idol fans. So, it probably helped when he released Light On.

Archie's Crush was released in August, when there are less releases, so it probably helped. But, it also impacted radio really fast, which definitely helped also.

I'm not pessimistic about LLWD. And I hope its sales are still increasing and not decreasing!!! It's barely been a month and a half! Still, I'm not expecting more than gold certification. The sales are increasing, but they're not incredible either. Anyway, the song is doing its thing and I'm definitely not discounting it.
 

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Sorry, missaddicted, I did edit -- didn't know you'd respond so fast.

I still think it's way too early to predict anything. Kris can be very surprising.
 
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These videos are killing me! Well, more the fact that I can't watch right now! I'm doing three things at the same right and shouldn't be here, but how can I resist! Why are they being posted only now?

I'm still standing by my prediction! We'll see if I'm right or wrong in a few months!
 

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Okay, you guys were busy.. those videos from Kris were INCREDIBLE.
(and I say that in an !! excited type way)

First:
I absolutely loved the mash-ups - Falling Slowly/With Or Without You and Heartless/Gangsta's Paradise -- sooooo good. Kris amazes me, he really does. I know we always threw around the term organic for Kris and to me this is the very meaning of the word.

David's new song:

I kinda liked it. Maybe it's an expectations thing missaddicted? I think it has a lot of potential.

Sales:



Robbie is top of the charts pretty much everywhere but here and the US. .go, Robbie, go Robbie.
It is surprising that Adam's singles sales were not really astronomical, but I think that a lot of fans have created this idea that he's the second coming. When in reality he is still a new artist. (regardless of the press) In a lot of ways Kris, Adam and Allison share a fan base -- but most of the fans within the fanbase have a fave and maybe they are holding out on the others.. lol -- like me for instance. I don't know if I'll buy Adam's Cd, but there are a few singles I'll probably buy I just have to hear them first. He's not on autobuy for me. Radio will help Adam out a lot I think. (heard his song on the radio last night!) Same for Allison for me, I bought FIBOU but I don't know about the rest of the album, it doesn't seem to have a lot of what I loved about Allison on it. Although, there are some songs I want to hear more of.

I think all of their singles will grow actually. They all have tv stuff coming up (well Adam and Kris do), and their radio play will help too. And I was glad to see that Kris's sales are pretty steady.

Um, what else.. I had more to say..

OH! Lyndsey Parker tweeted a picture of her hand http://twitpic.com/p583w Kris's CD -- the cover had a label on it that said "With the smash hits LLWD, WAOMF, The Truth" So I'm thinking you're right - those are the ones they are looking at for a single.
 
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