Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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I missed a few singers last night, but I saw Adam, Scott and Anoop and Alexis. (hopefully I'm getting the names right - hee)

SleepinIn, I'm not sure how long these stay on the 'net, but right now they're still there: videos of Kris, Danny, Allison, Lil, and Matt, from last night.

That's a good point. He did change the genres.. 'cause it really wasn't country music he was singing, although I liked it a lot.

I also liked Anoop a lot, and he did sing within the genre.

That's a good point (I mean when you said: "At what point does making a song your own mean that you don't sing in the musical style of the 'genre week' ?").

I don't think you actually have to sing like a country singer for country week (but it doesn't hurt. Michael Sarver was really, really lucky it happened to be country week last week, imho). I just think you maybe have to try to understand and respect the genre a bit. And try not to screw with it too much. Plus, in Adam's case, I'm bummed he played it safe and didn't step out of his comfort zone. For anyone else, that would have been a brave performance, I guess, but for him it probably was what he's comfortable doing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but from what Adam said before the show (in an interview), he knew nothing about country music going in, and it seems to me he learned little about it from hanging with Randy Travis and being on that episode. I think it's good for an artist to be open and try to learn from all sources, and he struck me as surprisingly narrow and set in his one musical groove.
 
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You know ross, I hear what you're saying about Adam and you make valid arguments, there's no doubt. But all I can say is: I don't care. I loved his performance. Like LOVED it. I rewatched it to see if I was crazy, but I still loved it. I don't care if he played around the genre (especially since it was country music, bleh), but I wouldn't have cared if it had been anybody else in this situation. Even Kris didn't sound country at all if you ask me (thank God!).

The thing is I love the fact that he's there on AI being himself right to the end of his thumb nail (polish). I just don't want the show to beat the uniqueness out of him and put him in a box like they like doing with so many contestants. I applaud him for doing something even if he knew that it was really polarizing (I mean, he must have known). It's exciting to watch him, because he's unpredictable.

But I have to say that the main thing that really made me love his performance last night was his vocals. I thought they were beautiful and amazing and I truly enjoyed them for the first time, regardless of the WTF? feeling of the performance.

OK, about tonight's show:

Well, I'm a bit disappointed that Alexis left, since I don't have any love for any of the remaining girls. I never thought the judges would actually save her, way too early in the game, and she sounded pretty bad tonight.

I fast-forwarded most of Brad Paisley and thought Carrie's song was a snooze-fest. But she actually sounded great, better than Kelly last week I thought. And I can't really stand her voice usually.

I just bought Adam's and Kris' songs from iTunes and they're both awesome. The vocals are front and center. I'm considering buying Matt's song since he sounds so much better in the studio than live (to my ears anyway), but I'm still debating it.
 

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You know ross, I hear what you're saying about Adam and you make valid arguments, there's no doubt. But all I can say is: I don't care. I loved his performance. Like LOVED it. I rewatched it to see if I was crazy, but I still loved it. I don't care if he played around the genre (especially since it was country music, bleh), but I wouldn't have cared if it had been anybody else in this situation. Even Kris didn't sound country at all if you ask me (thank God!).

Well, missaddicted, my man Simon and I thought it was self-indulgent rubbish!



lol. You know I'm a fan of Adam. We just disagree about this performance (aside from what I thought about country week, or whatever, I just didn't like it). But I think he needs to give a serious, possibly even mature, un-self-indulgent performance, soon, or he's gonna be outta there. (Well, not really, because if he gets voted off, the judges will save him.) Actually, I think that's what he'll probably do, shortly. Anyway, I'm not off the Adam bandwagon yet.

I don't know if he really wants to win or just gain exposure, but if he wants to win or get near it, I think he needs to play the game to the extent that he doesn't lose too many votes (I'm sure you saw the DialIdol results; he didn't do too well this week).

Okay: Tonight's little love-fest:

If you read my response to SleepinIn, above, I said I thought Michael was soooo lucky they did country last week. His song and his response to Simon, who didn't understand the lyrics ("the country folks did") got him plenty of votes from parts of this country where they love that stuff. Not a huge amount, obviously, but he's in the Top 10. I don't know what to think about Alexis. The opposite, I guess. Country week did her in. Or her song choice did. (She should have chosen Patsy Cline, imo.) Anyhow, even tonight, when she really poured her guts into it, I still think the song didn't work for her. I expected her to be in the Top 10. She was my favorite girl, also. I'm kind of shocked, actually.

I wondered why when Scott was safe, the person next to him didn't give him a hug, until I realized it was Typhoid Megan. Nobody huggin' Megan tonight.

By the way, did you notice? Three of the four judges' picks made it into the Top 10. And I still think they're the three weakest and/or least interesting performers. BTW, why do you think Anoop was so high in the DialIdol results, missaddicted?
Like you, I thought his performance was inferior to Kris's. Of course, Anoop sang a far more famous and popular song, which I think always helps with the votes. But the performances were similar. Anoop was good, but Kris was great. Yet Kris was at #5, I think. Out of 11, that's impressive, but Anoop was #2.
 
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My brain totally agrees with you ross and I do hope that next week he does something a little less polarizing (while keeping his uniqueness), because I don't want him to go anywhere before a long while!

I'm all about Kris and Adam right now. Danny has been left in the dust way behind. Motown week next week? Once again, I'm not really excited by the theme, but what can you do.

Have you been watching the Idolatry videos on the EW website? Those from last week were hilarious.

Thanks for the picture of your man Simon (or not!). I pretty much really dislike Simon. Contrary to Zack on CI, who would probably be considered as the "mean" judge, Simon just looks like he would rather be anywhere but there. Zack at least seems to care about the contestants.
 

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I don't love Simon, he's not really my man at all! But I find myself agreeing with him a good deal of the time. I think it's funny how he seems smart next to that panel. I mean, who wouldn't? I don't really know how much the concept and show are his, I think quite a lot, so I think he deliberately picked these people to make himself look better!

I usually love Zack (except at the start of last season, when he seemed to be phoning it in a bit). He seems to care more about the contestants and the show than anyone. Last season I got annoyed with Sass the most. Those generic, catch-all comments of hers were so strange. If someone sang "Love To Love You, Baby," her comment would be something like: "That was really nice, and guess what? I love to love you, Mitch." Then there would be a silence while everyone waited for her to say more, and there was no more.

Next week, Motown. Funny how they've chosen two genres so far that would be great for r & b singers (MJ, Motown), and this year there aren't a lot of real r & b singers.
 

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By the way, did you notice? Three of the four judges' picks made it into the Top 10. And I still think they're the three weakest and/or least interesting performers. BTW, why do you think Anoop was so high in the DialIdol results, missaddicted?

I think Anoop comes across as really likeable for a lot of people. Also, he probably received a lot of "pity" votes, since the show hasn't been treating him that well. I don't really get it either. He was good, but I don't really care about him. His voice sounds a bit boring to me. Really I don't know. Do you have any more guesses?

The thing that surprised me also from Dialidol was that Danny was still leading with a comfortable margin, even though he wasn't that great on Tuesday (in my opinion of course). Maybe the choice of song was a hit for a lot of people even if it wasn't the case for me at all. I don't think he comes across as really likeable either. Even Adam is more likeable than him and he's supposed to be the "bad guy".

I don't love Simon, he's not really my man at all! But I find myself agreeing with him a good deal of the time. I think it's funny how he seems smart next to that panel. I mean, who wouldn't? I don't really know how much the concept and show are his, I think quite a lot, so I think he deliberately picked these people to make himself look better!

Ha! Maybe! I think Kara is probably a smart woman, but she doesn't really comes across as such on the show. Randy just has the most horrible vocabulary. And while Paula seems to be more on her game this year than last year, she still has trouble making coherent sentences. As I said a while ago, I really dislike these judges. Especially Simon. Yes, he makes sense most of the time, but he just doesn't seem to care and I hate that. And I'm still angry with him because he was so unfair to David Cook last year on the final performance show and I still haven't recovered I guess!

Anyway, I think this week, it's clear that he was sending a message to Adam: "we like you, you bring some drama, we don't want you to leave yet, so don't do that ever again!!". Kinda like the CI judges did with Oliver (especially Jake and Zack) after his horrible top 24 performance! Adam seems like a smart man, so I think he probably got the message and will adjust his performance next week. I just don't want him to start trying to "fit in" and not be too different just for the sake of playing the game. I mean, I want him to play the game to a certain extent, but not too much I guess. And I feel that AI is so much more about "playing the game" than CI and David Cook became a master player of the game last year, especially after some comments that Simon gave him. But he still managed to do so while staying himself and doing music that he liked. Adam might be a little more excentric than David though!

Can't wait to see David's performance on Idol on April 1st! He recorded it last night, since he's on tour, and supposedly it was great.

I can't get Ring of Fire out of my head! I've been listening to it a lot since yesterday, lol!
 

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Thanks for the links Ross. I watched Kris first since you both really liked him, and you're right. He was that good. He came across as a musician, and not as an Idol contestant, and I say that lovingly. That was a fully realized performance.

Danny's vocals were good, he's not a bad singer but I find myself bored by the performance. I know that he can sing well, but everything sounds the same to me. Maybe it's the genre or his type of singing, but I find myself wanting to fast forward through it.

Matt is somewhat the same he can sing and perform, and although I like him better than Danny I don't find myself caring so much about him. He has to differentiate himself from the pack. Maybe that will come in the coming weeks.

Allison has a really strong voice and her performance was really strong. This genre is not my favourite so it's not a great song choice for me personally but I think country music fans would really like it. She has a lot of potential.

Lil Rounds did give Country a try. But you're right she didn't seem to have any energy, she could have sang that song with a lot more omph. Her voice was good though.
 

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Anyway, I think this week, it's clear that he was sending a message to Adam: "we like you, you bring some drama, we don't want you to leave yet, so don't do that ever again!!". Kinda like the CI judges did with Oliver (especially Jake and Zack) after his horrible top 24 performance!

Good point. You might be right about this one. Adam's performance was polarizing and it might have been a little push for him to remember that he is on the Idol stage. And while making yourself stand out and be unique is a good thing, scary hoodies and Crazy ring of fire are going to scare a portion of your audience that are potential voters. I have to add that I liked both the scary hoodie and Crazy Ring of Fire quite a lot. :)

and Lil/Little cracked me up. lol
 

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Hi, SleepinIn, glad you're here! The Little/Lil thing: Simon was so blatantly "abusive" to Lil, who he's said is his favorite girl, that I thought he was reverse pimping (is that the term?). Anyhow, I thought he was trying to get her some sympathy votes.

Did you guys happen to see the interview on his American Nobody show that Jon Peter Lewis did with Alex Wagner-Trugman? (mj linked to it.) If anybody needs a link I'll try to find it. I especially liked the song JPT composed for Alex.

Top 13 Secret talents.
 

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Although I had a pretty good idea, I looked up the meaning and definition of the word "IDOL":

"id'ol, n. [Ft. idole, L. idolum, < [Gr.eidolon, an image, form, phantom, idol, <eidos,form] An image, representation, or symbol of deiety made of consecrated asan object of worship, esp. among pagans; a false or pagan god; fig. an object ofexcessive attachment, admiration, or infatuation. A fallacy or misconception."

Saying anything more would reflect poorly on the addicts of these two shows, whose judges and viewers could not recognize a genuine talent if it hit them in the ears.
 

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Addict. Um maybe. Can't deny it really. Moreso the Canadian version where I have a greater affinity to the music choices.

I don't worship the singers (or "Idols") they aren't faultless beings of perfection but I can't deny that they have talent either. Their talent is usually raw, and untested but it does exist. These usually inexperienced singers have the potential to produce amazing music. It might never happen but the potential exists and I think that's something that is worth nurturing.

Are they sell outs because they go on American Idol and make their debut on tv? I don't think so. Why is singing on TV any less worthy than singing in a bar? Or putting out an Indie CD? It's a different route, and not all of them will make anything of it. They may only have a brief time in the spotlight, but even that will make it easier for them to make a career out of music if that's what they want to do with their life.

And if the only thing I get out of either Idol show is the chance to hear Joel Plaskett's music being sung by a fan on National Tv. Then I will consider myself happy with the outcome. ;)
 

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Being a lover of opera, I could not care less about anything what goes on either if the "Idol" shows. Under duress I could sit through either of them with well-functioning ear-plugs.

However, there is a show on BRAVO (which could have a better title) called "Bathroom Divas". People competing here have true talent, kind of like diamond in the rough.

But, I realize, it's different strokes for different folks.
 

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WORD to your last post SleepinIn! Well said.

Am I an Idol addict? Yes. I can't deny it. But it's not my only way to discover music either. I just consider it as another way to try and find interesting artists that I would buy music from. Just as if I was listening to the radio, watching other entertainment shows or getting suggestions from friends and familly. For sure, the idea of a show like this is to get the viewers kind of attached to a contestant or two, enough to vote for them anyway.

Are these shows perfect? No, that's for sure. So I respect your opinion YukonJack, but it's hard to judge something that you just don't want to pay attention to.

OK, here is the recap I was coming here to post!

I found myself agreeing a lot with Kara tonight. Was she more insightful than usual or am I just going nuts?

Matt: It was pretty good. Are they pimping him to be the Stealth CO? Because if they are, I find this very unexciting. I have to be honest here: I find the guy supremely boring. He might be a fine musician, but on a show like this, I have trouble finding anything interesting about this guy. His voice is a bit boring to me. I don't find him charming or captivating to watch. His looks are especially boring. I mean, tonight he was dressed like the university professors that I see everyday. And I don't find him attractive at all. I know it's not the point of the show, but it does distract me. Anyway, he still has some potential to wow me, but if they want this guy as the winner, I won't be interested.

Kris: Again in the first half of the show? I'm starting to get mad now! He better be there next week so they can give him the pimp spot! And if he's not there next week, I'll be very very angry. I adore the tone of his voice and I really like what he did with the song. I like that Kara pointed out that he knew what to do with a song to make it work for himself and I really appreciate that he's able to do that. His enthusiam was contagious once again. I agreed and disagreed with Simon about his confidence. Yes, maybe he could show more, but his unassuming personality is part of his charm, for me at least. Hang on Kris!

Scott: Zzzzzzz. The only thing I have to say is that I saw that they showed him flubbing his lyrics in the recap.

Megan: When she sang in front of Smokey, I thought it had potential. Then, the performance happened...

Anoop: His vocals were nice, even if the falsetto was a bit weak. It was a bit boring though. Anyway, I like him a bit, but I don't see myself buying his music at all, his voice doesn't appeal to me enough for that.

Michael: Really, I don't have anything to say. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't good either. Really cheesy and forced.

Lil: She's ok I guess, but I don't really see her appeal. I believe even Syesha was better last year. She sang pretty good in some parts, then got really shouty in others. How many chances are the judges going to give her? I guess she has some appeal to some people though, because she seems pretty popular, even though she hasn't had a standout performance yet (IMO of course).

Adam: Did he get Simon's message or what? It was so beautiful. When he sings like this, my heart melts a little. Thank you for that Adam. And thank you for being exciting in a season that's a bit boring right now.

Danny: I think he should stick to uptempo numbers from now on. I like him more when he does that. Anyway, I'm pretty much off the love train right now and probably until the end. I like his voice most of the time. The rest? Not so much. Did he just decide not to follow the mentor's advice?

Allison This was my favorite performance from her. She seemed a bit more emotionally connected, which was my biggest problem with her, and she had great moments in the song. I still have some issues with her phrasing and her pronunciation, but she totally deserved the pimp spot tonight.

Favorites: Kris and Adam, in no particular order, with Allison coming in third.
Going home: Michael or Scott. I'm kinda hoping it'll be Scott. I can't take any more from him, I'm done.
 
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Are they sell outs because they go on American Idol and make their debut on tv? I don't think so. Why is singing on TV any less worthy than singing in a bar? Or putting out an Indie CD?
Appearing on TV is simply appearing before an audience. What artist would refuse to sing before an audience in a theatre? TV just magnifies that audience.

I always feel like questioning the whole concept of "selling out." I don't know when it started. A singer is either in the music business (a branch of show business), or not. If not, he/she is an amateur. If you're in the business, a professional, you may as well get your talent noticed and your music heard. However you can.

Since classical music or concert music was brought up, take a look at that. Is a concert pianist who aspires to play before huge audiences with the great orchestras, and aspires to a recording contract with a major label, considered a sell out? No way. So why is a pop musician who aspires to similar things a sell out?

End rant. lol

Tonight's show was pretty painful, overall. I don't know whether it was the Motown theme, or the Top 10 -- or the judges? -- or maybe I'm just having a bad day. But I was less than thrilled.

Okay: Matt. He was better than usual. I think for me his problem is he has one of those voices that comes very close to being very good, but is just not quite as good as it should be. That's pretty critical, I know. I don't know how else to put it. He seems nice. He's not going anywhere tomorrow.

Kris. What's with his always performing within the first half hour? I don't get that. Someone enlighten me. You alerted me to this, originally, missaddicted. What do you make of it?

I smiled all the way through the preformance. I just totally love listening to this guy, plus I'm beginning to think he's an awesome person, as well. I don't know what Simon is trying to say to him, except to get rid of the very thing that makes him so likable. Kris, just keep being yourself, dude.

He did such great things with that song. He's more or less pitch perfect all the time. He's a fun performer, too. Great job.

Scott. I don't know what he's thinking. That was just not good. He's a sweet guy, I love him, but I think he should go soon. But...

Megan should go first. Not that she will. She reminds me of the Saturday Night Live sketch, The Thing That Wouldn't Leave.

Anoop. His voice is not warm, or thrilling, or interesting, or beautiful. It's good, maybe sometimes very good, that's it. I thought that was pretty, in spots, mostly boring. Sincere, anyway. His makeover is good, I have to say. Nice haircut.

Michael. I would rather see Megan go, since I loathe her performances, but he may be the one to go. He wasn't good.

Lil. I didn't agree with the judges that she looked good (her hair is short, so I guess that was a wig?). I feel a bit bad for her because this show is twisting her beyond all recognition. I didn't really love her at the start, but now I long for the original Lil. She just isn't a versatile performer who can succeed at the various theme nights. As herself, singing her favorite songs, I'm sure she's a solid artist. But going beyond that doesn't seem to work. She looks confused.

Adam. I knew he would pull it back this week. I didn't expect him to pull his bangs back, also. And to look like Kurt Russell (KR as Elvis, really).

I don't know. I felt something was missing. Besides nail polish. It was a very professional job, a good presentation. Maybe I'm not that crazy about the voice, sometimes. I don't really like tenors, usually. I thought it was very good but I didn't get the raving and hosannahs.

Danny. Danny is becoming sort of predictable. His voice is really great, though it sounded a bit ragged to me for the second week in a row. I like listening to him but watching him is a little tough. I don't get the hate, though; he seems like a nice guy. I think he lost ground this week.

Allison. Aka, SixteenyearoldAllison. In the pimp spot. And do ya think she was pimped enough by the judges? She's good, as well as being cute and charming, but I find myself a bit indifferent. I thought she was better last week.

Who's leaving tomorrow?
 

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A few random observations...

To the posters on the TWoP AI thread who think jokes at a blind guy's expense are hilarious: I feel sorry for you. Grow up soon.

I've never been a big fan of Michael Sarver's performances, but I've found him to be a good guy all the way through the competition, and also when eliminated, and in the post-elimination interviews. jmho.

After Megan's horror show on Wednesday, she wasn't even in the bottom three? Either DialIdol is way off, or the vote count is a joke, because I think DI had her either at the bottom or second to bottom (VFTW notwithstanding). Which is more believable. Scott and Michael were fair to poor. Matt was mediocre. But Megan was indeed a train wreck, as Randy said. (Up to now I haven't found it necessary to quote any of Randy's observations, and besides, I don't understand them. Dude, that was so not sweet, dog; so not hip, baby.)

I really didn't watch Joss/Smokey; I recorded the show because I was at work, and I skipped some of the filler. Watched Stevie Wonder, though. He's past his prime, vocally, but his songs are still awesome. Always loved him. Enjoyed Kris enjoying Stevie. I love it how he and a few others seem to be having the times of their lives right now, living their dreams. I love that about this show. Sorry if that's lame.

I was thinking last night how much I detest the "save," yet if it's used to save someone I like, I'll be a total hypocrite and will like the save very, very much.

One of the more interesting differences in the AI experience vs the CI experience is, for me, the fact that the AI Top 10, no matter the order they're eliminated, are all going on a big, national tour -- a huge reward for them. On CI, at this same point in the season, it's much more suspenseful, in a way, because they are all still trying for a shot at the Top 3 Tour.
 
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I've never been a big fan of Michael Sarver's performances, but I've found him to be a good guy all the way through the competition, and also when eliminated, and in the post-elimination interviews. jmho.

Yes, he was very classy. I'm not sad that he was eliminated and haven't read or watched his post-elimination interviews, but he did seem like a very good guy on the show.

After Megan's horror show on Wednesday, she wasn't even in the bottom three? Either DialIdol is way off (and VFTW is triumphant), or the vote count is a joke, because I think DI had her either at the bottom or second to bottom. Which is more believable. Scott and Michael were poor. Matt was mediocre. But Megan was indeed a train wreck, as Randy said.

Yes, but supposedly, it's better to be horrible than mediocre. At least, you're not forgettable. Also, she's a pretty girl and one of the only three girls left, so I guess it could have played a role. Kristy Lee left at top 7 last year, when she should have left way earlier than that, but she did have the "pretty girl" thing going for her.

As for Matt in the bottom three, I'm not sure I believe it either. Dialidol didn't predict him at all to be in the bottom 3 at all. Maybe they thought that putting him there would motivate his fanbase like it did for Allison this week. But Allison also had the pimp spot this week and a good performance (and again, one of the only three girls). There's no way Matt is going to have the pimp spot again next week. Honestly, I don't care for him at all, but I was a bit surprised to see he was in the bottom 3. I wouldn't care if he left earlier than the judges want him to though. Well, I would probably want for Megan and Scott to leave before him. It seems there's a bit of Matt vs. Kris thing going on, and as you know ross, my vote goes to Kris for sure between the two!

The show was a mess last night. I came home late and I seriously fast-forwarded through most of it. The group number was downright embarrassing for the contestants. Ruben Studdard is boring as hell. I couldn't get through Joss Stone and Smokey (two weeks in a row of an "old dude" singing a love song with a young woman, that's a bit disturbing). And I was totally underwhelmed by Stevie Wonder, he sounded very rough. The only thing I liked to watch during his medley were the contestants dancing. Kris was on fire!

ross, have you listened to Kris' original songs? And have you been watching the Idolatry videos on the EW site? "Put the Go in Gokey!" Hee!

I bought Kris' and Adam's songs from iTunes (as usual!) and even though their vocals are great, I hate the fact that they used the music from the original recordings as the backing track. I would've loved to hear the versions they did on the show. I guess they're trying to cut on the budget. Cheaper to use already recorded music I guess.

There is still a poll on TV guide's website and Adam is dominating it with 45% of the 2700 voters choosing him as their favorite. Then Danny is at 17%, Allison at 14%, Matt at 9% and Kris at 6%. The others have even smaller numbers. I have to admit that as much as I love Kris, I'm so glad that Adam (whom I totally love right now, I have to be honest) is on the show, because otherwise it would be an incredibly boring season. I hope he can keep up the surprising and original performances because right now, I think the competition is his to lose. Not that I'm convinced that he's going to win just yet, but I don't really see who's going to be able to give him a run for his money.

So, next week's theme is Top downloads, whatever that means. As long as it gives them the chance to sing something from this decade! And I hope that Kris is finally going to be able to perform latter in the show, maybe in the pimp spot? Lady Gaga is going to perform on the results show. I hope she likes singing competitions because she's also going to be on Star Académie here in Québec this sunday night. I'm a bit curious about her. I love one of her songs, I hate another, and she couldn't be any more popular here right now.

Oh, and David Cook is going to be there. Well, his already recorded performance is going to be aired. Can't wait!
 

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I hit some button by mistake and posted my reply when I was only halway through with it. I had to go back and edit it. Sorry if I slightly changed some parts you quoted, missaddicted.:-?

I suppose you're right about Megan. Somehow I just knew she would survive and survive. The judges must have known this, too. I can't believe she was the judges' wild card choice because they thought she was a brilliant singer . Or even "current," no matter what they said. I think it's a question of knowing what will make an interesting, controversial season and keep people watching the show. They have that down to a science by now. And she fit that bill, imho.

Unlike a lot of people I find Matt's appearance in the bottom three believable. I was really, really surprised he was there, because, so far this season, whom the judges love, the voters vote for. And, like most other people, I thought it would be Megan, Michael, and Scott in the bottom three. But I also thought he deserved it, since, imho, most of his performances have been big let downs, considering the judges' confidence in his talents.

I believe Ryan did say those three guys were the bottom three vote getters, and also said Michael and Matt were the lowest vote-getters. I don't know how much the show manipulates the actual vote tallies, of course.

I've listened to three of Kris's original songs. There are three on YouTube, that I could find, as of a few days ago. I wasn't wild about them; the one with "moon" in the title was the one I liked most.

Adam...I'm really waiting to see what he's going to do. It's not that I don't like him, and it's not as if I don't know he's talented. I'm just wondering at this point if he's the most deserving of a recording contract of all of them. It seems there are other things he's more suited to. At least, there are a lot of other things he can do.

Here he is in Brigadoon a few years ago (a beautiful vocal, recorded live onstage).

Adam singing in Brigadoon, in Texas, 2004.

He's been singing professionally for a long time, and I think he will go on doing so whether he gets that contract or not. For others, it's their shot at a professional career, and I hate to see someone who perhaps doesn't really need a recording contract beat someone to it who does need it, because it's their one chance to do what they truly want to do, and really love.

Kris has been working hard to, I think, be a recording artist and a concert artist, and it seems that's more or less what this show is supposed to be in the market for. Just saying.

Danny can't really perform, he has no real stage experience, he's a choir director, or whatever. But he has a great voice that would sound wonderful on a recording.
This is probably his only chance at a big time career. Etc.

I wish David Cook were performing live. Just his appearance there a year after winning would be sure to be the event of the night. The audience would go nuts.
(I enjoy stuff like that a lot.)
 
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I wish David Cook were performing live. Just his appearance there a year after winning would be sure to be the event of the night. The audience would go nuts. (I enjoy stuff like that a lot.)

Well, he did perform live. And he was given his platinum award for his CD by Ryan, which he proceeded to give to his mom (I know all that because of the EW's On the Scene reports). Just like Ruben's performance was taped on Wednesday night instead of during the live show last night.

I get what you're saying about Adam, but I do believe what he wants the most is a recording contract (vs. doing more musical theater for example). He'll probably be able to continue his career in showbusiness after Idol, but at the same time, the winners always have a better chance of making it "big" compared to the runners-up (Jennifer Hudson and Chris Daughtry of course could be considered as exceptions... and Jacob Hoggard if we include CI in that mix). So, I wouldn't say that Adam doesn't need to win to have a recording contract. But I agree that somebody likes Kris almost needs to win (or at least go very far) to even have a chance to get a recording contract, moreso than Adam anyway.

In the end, I can't really judge based on this though (who really deserves it or not). Idol, when I have a favorite (or two this year, I'm lucky!), becomes a totally irrational experience and I just want my favorite to win, whether he really needs it or not! Heh!

And yes, the Brigadoon vocals are amazing. I think my favorite though is "Is Anybody Listening" from the Ten Commandements. Blows me away everytime. Adam definitely has the most eclectic collection of pre-Idol videos I have ever seen (and he has a lot of them!): musical theater videos, including Wicked, the simple Upright Cabaret performances, the Art4Life amazing version of Gnarls Barley's Crazy, the way out there videos from the Zodiac Show, his original dance songs and videos of him singing in Hebrew.

Ha, I can't believe I wrote this guy off pretty much at his audition and especially in Hollywood, where I thought I wouldn't like him ever. Look at me now!
 

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In the end, I can't really judge based on this though (who really deserves it or not). Idol, when I have a favorite (or two this year, I'm lucky!), becomes a totally irrational experience and I just want my favorite to win, whether he really needs it or not! Heh!

You're right! I'm pretty much the same way. The winner should be the person who's best. Who I think is best. :D

A few people on other forums have suggested Kris may be too subtle a performer to rally the masses (despite the general consensus that he's pretty), and it seems a lot of people find him "boring." It's kind of surprising how opinions of him vary widely from "the best singer I've ever seen on AI" all the way to "I fast forward through his performances, he does nothing for me." The people who do like him seem to really "get" him, the way we do. For this reason I think he's building a good (if not a huge) fan base. I hope this means that whatever happens to him on the show, he will have a shot at a career after it's over.

But I can't picture him winning. Not with all those other male divas hogging the spotlight. lol

Adam does have a huge amount of video/audio out there. I like some of it, dislike some of it (I really hate Pop Goes the Camera, for ex.). I'm also amazed at the number of pictures he seems to have posed for. In boy clothes, girl clothes, emo clothes, vampire clothes; in make up, out of make up, painted green, painted purple. He's different.

I'm not sure why they've decided to not only pre-record the group numbers this season, but also to tape them in advance (like last week's, apparently). I suspect the idea to tape them has something to do with Scott's vision impairment. (They should have them all sing sitting on stools or standing in place. The choreography is hardly necessary -- they're singers, not dancers.) As for the pre-recording/lip-synching, I don't see any reason for it, and I don't like it at all.
 
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