Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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No, you guys - fell free to talk about spoilers. I think we went over this last season, anyway. Just write whatever you feel like writing. I just meant I don't read the "real" spoilers - at MJ's, TWoP, and whatnot. As for here, maybe just write "spoilers" before you talk about it, and I'll skip over it - or maybe I'll even read it, since you guys don't really reveal much. I just don't like detailed spoilers that spoil the whole show.

ICE dancing? Would that be James Durbin? In a metallic blue jumpsuit. Gosh, I miss Jacob. Why can't there be another Jacob?
 

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Gosh, I miss Jacob. Why can't there be another Jacob?

There can be only one. Otherwise the world might explode. :)

Speaking of world's exploding, I heard Adam's 2012 theme song today in a restaurant! (Haven't heard that since it came out) I thought -- gee that song sounds familiar.. and there it was in all it's disaster movie glory. Such a cheesy song, Adam did however sound good on it.

Paul is seriously the most organized Idol contestant I've ever seen. He's got a professional looking website, merchandise, CD's already... I just hope he makes it to the top 10 - he just tweeted that he wants to sing Mumford & Sons or the Avett Brothers on Idol and this is something I want to see. Probably as much as I want to see James sing Judas Priest

Did you guys see the picture of Kris from the Masquerade ball? LOL. Oh, dear.

and Lee's performing on Idol... some new song I guess. Do you think it's better to perform a single that's been released and not doing well, or to perform and debut a brand new single? Kris performed TT last year basically a minute after they decided to release it, so there was no video available, it hadn't really been on the radio etc, similiar to Lee. Adam performed WWFM and I believe there was a video out and people were familiar with and loved the song.

I'm almost wondering if it would be better for Lee to sing Sweet Serendipity. I know it's struggled at radio but it is getting some airplay and I don't know that anyone really has an awareness outside of Idol fans that it's out. Although maybe going with the new song isn't a bad idea since SS is probably done on the charts.

What do you guys think? Familiar vs. Brand spanking New single on Idol
 

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What do you guys think? Familiar vs. Brand spanking New single on Idol
Kris performed TT last year basically a minute after they decided to release it, so there was no video available, it hadn't really been on the radio etc, similiar to Lee. Adam performed WWFM and I believe there was a video out and people were familiar with and loved the song.

To be honest, I don't think this is an especially good comparison. Because so much more was involved. In this case the songs are less important than the way they and the performers were presented. Adam mentored on the show; as is the case with all mentors, he and his song were presented as something important and special - how many times did Ryan announce that it was coming up? The whole appearance was (to me) basically a huge sales pitch for the single. Unprecedented in the history of Idol.

This has so little to do with Kris simply appearing on the finale and singing an abbreviated version of his single, with no particular attention given him or the song, on the show.

As for Lee - I don't know. Sweet Serendipity had its chance - nobody has ever really liked it, have they? So why not debut a new song?

By the way, I was searching Kris on Google and found this link:

Label drops "American Idol" alum David Archuleta Los Angeles Times - Shirley Halperin - ‎Feb 19, 2011
They have a gem in Kris Allen as well, yet they pulled his song The Truth off the radio as his video for that song just as it was starting to catch on. As for Kris' third single, Alright With Me...they never sent that for adds at all. ...

...yet when I click on the link to the article it can't be found. Can anybody find it?

Interview with Chris Crippin of Hedley:

Hedley - Taking Chances And Reaping The Rewards

As you must know by now, the whole thing about Jacob asking fans not to vote for him - which he never really did do - not in any straightforward way - - doesn't sit well with me, and I particularly hate the implication that he would have been the winner if he had not done that. So arrogant. Kalan would have won no matter what. He was never even in the bottom three. Unlike Crippin, I don't have respect for Jacob for doing this. On the other hand, had he merely quit, I would have had to respect that.
 
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http://twitter.com/BenMulroney1976/status/42029802122780672

Hee! :)

That's true regarding wwfm, they really pushed it hard. But I was thinking more that it had been out and was already a familiar hit to people. TT was so new people didn't have that recognition factor. I'm not a fan of SS so yeah you're probably right that a new song is best, lol. I just wonder about these things.

I'll look and see if I can find that article...

Jacob did blog and ask people not to vote for him, but it wasn't like today when everybody has twitter it was an obscure blog, that talked in circles. I agree with you tho I don't think Jacob would have won regardless. He was my favorite but he wasn't going to win over Kalan. I stopped voting for him after the blog, and lack lustre performance because quite frankly if you don't want to win then why are you there wasting my time.

I think the guys in Hedley use that story according to the interviewer, it changes sometimes. BUT I have always thought that Jake leaked his version of AIAD.
 

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Jacob, to me, always wants his cake and to eat it, too. Didn't want to chance winning, but wanted people to hear how he sang the winner's song. Couldn't let the winner have the song to himself. Wanted to be voted off, but then had to put down the winner, put down his music, and imply he himself would have won. That's pathetic, but since I don't have to hang with him, I just enjoy his music and aspects of his crazy personality.

That's true regarding wwfm, they really pushed it hard. But I was thinking more that it had been out and was already a familiar hit to people. TT was so new people didn't have that recognition factor. I'm not a fan of SS so yeah you're probably right that a new song is best, lol. I just wonder about these things.

I knew what you were saying but I'm saying in this particular case there were other factors at play that had as much or more to do with it than recognition factor, so I don't know if it's possible to separate them from their presentations and just look at it that way.

In fact WWFM had been out a long time, five or six months, had been on the radio, performed on SYTYCD, talk shows, etc. - and I was kind of surprised it got another big push on Idol. But it wouldn't have done as well without that push, on Idol - don't you agree? At the end of the year it ended up neck and neck with LLWD - without the Idol performance it had always lagged behind, previously, I think. (In fact, Ken W. stated that Adam was there because they wanted to help him out. Well - that they did.) But with that huge two-night Adam love-fest, I think he could have even debuted a new song and it would have sold well. Yeah. I mean, if Kris could sell a few thousand copies of AWM based on 3-second snippets on Ford commericials, where he wasn't even shown performing it, then come on. It's ALL in the air time you get and how much respect the show gives you, and close-ups, and how many times they say your name, and the name of your song. So it's hard to separate.

Now that I'm on this subject - one of my big pet peeves, in case you never noticed! - did you even stop and think how Idol is seen in over a hundred countires, and what that two-night appearance on the show did for Adam both here and internationally? How many more albums were sold - how much more name recognition did he get? Even people who did not watch season 7 were treated to a big dose of Adam in season 8. Just in case they forgot about him. I don't think it can be underestimated, and I'm still not sure what he did to deserve all of Idol's resources focused on publicizing him like that. Nonetheless I think Idol is more enamored of him than most of us are.

Don't take this as a put down of him. I thnk anyone at all being oversold like that, when they couldn't even get the votes to win, to begin with - it just would go against my grain. I don't want to be told what to like - I don't want to be sold things. So that's just how I feel, what can i say?
 

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Why is there a show tonight? I thought the show was on Wednesdays and Thursdays? Thanks for letting me know.

This isn't so bad:





Not so good, either. lol. Cale was there, too. What was sung??

Kris gets more publicity for a bad hairstyle than if he never changed it - so what the heck. Anyway, I thought he learned his lesson in Germany...

And I'm sorry, I really am not a big fan of Paul MacDonald so far. He doesn't sound like James Blunt but I see what people are saying since there's that high reediness to him - though a nicer voice than Blunt and I think he sings in a lower key. Paul M. is very professional sounding and acting but I just haven't really taken to him as a singer and I don't care for the sound of his band. Not that they aren't good but it's not a sound I guess I like, especially. I never really listen to that kind of music.

I'm confused about how professional this guy is, though - he doesn't seem like much of an amateur and I guess Idol is going in that direction, but it's a shame in a way.

I also don't really "love" Casey as a singer but I do like his whole presentation. Bluesy is not my thing, either, but I bet he has a lot of surprises up his sleeve and can do various genres - and wants to.

If people are not going to sing different genres this season I'm going to find that boring. Not sure what is happening as I've been so out of it.
 

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Yes that's the Germany hair. I thought that we might have been lucky to leave it there. LOL (sorry Kris, I try not to be superficial.. but that hair.. dude.. no words)

In fact WWFM had been out a long time, five or six months, had been on the radio, performed on SYTYCD, talk shows, etc. - and I was kind of surprised it got another big push on Idol. But it wouldn't have done as well without that push, on Idol - don't you agree?

Yeah I think it was starting to fall down the charts then. (slightly anyway) And the Idol push, pushed it up by a lot. To be fair Adam sang it really well, and changed it up .. and there were lasers.. on Idol. Who gets Lasers?.. pretty much only Adam. :)

Now that I'm on this subject - one of my big pet peeves, in case you never noticed! - did you even stop and think how Idol is seen in over a hundred countires, and what that two-night appearance on the show did for Adam both here and internationally?

For sure. That was an indication to the world that Idol really believed in him. Believed in him more than any other contestant - ever.
 

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There's a show tonight because the top 12 boys perform tonight, then the top 12 girls tomorrow and the results on Thursday. Next week, it will be Wednesday/Thursday.

The hair is pretty bad, LOL. I don't really care but when I opened the picture I posted, I didn't expect it and was like "oh, Kris, no". LOL. I think he did LLWD and AWM, maybe? That's what I read.

You don't have to apologize for not liking Paul. We can have different favorites! I don't think he's a professional per se, but he's been a working musician for a few years from what I understand, recording, touring, etc. He just hasn't made it big.

Okay, I'm going to watch the show now!
 

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I'm confused about how professional this guy is, though - he doesn't seem like much of an amateur and I guess Idol is going in that direction, but it's a shame in a way.

He certainly seems very prepared for Idol. He's got merchandise relating to his Idol outfit! He had a plan. Which could be a good thing, he also might not make it to the top 10. We lost some of my faves early last year, so who knows who people will vote for at this early stage. I like the idea of people hitting the ground running with their career since they're going to have to do that if they win, and if they don't win they have to make the most of the time they have in the spotlight.

I also don't really "love" Casey as a singer but I do like his whole presentation. Bluesy is not my thing, either, but I bet he has a lot of surprises up his sleeve and can do various genres - and wants to.

I don't know for sure I'd buy bluesy but it's fun to watch him. And it's nice to mix up styles on this show, I agree. After last year I think you'd be hard pressed to find a person who didn't think mixing was a good idea. lol.

Right now.. agreeing with Randy.. world is Up-SIDE. DOWN. :)
 

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I like the new stage, it's pretty cool!

Okay, I thought only five of them were memorable tonight (in my opinion of course). Some for the good reasons (Paul and Casey), some for the bad reasons (Jacob and Brett), and some I'm not sure yet (James)!

I *heart* Paul and Casey. Paul just stands out because of his voice, which I love, but also because of his smile. I love a performer who smiles while singing, it's just so contagious. As for Casey, maybe I would have taken a little less growling and a little more singing from him tonight, but he's such an interesting oddball dork that I can't help but relate and love him!

Jacob seems like a nice kid, but I can't stand him. I can't stand his voice, I can't stand watching him perform. He's just a huge cheeseball to me and I can't take it. In the case of Brett, the voice wasn't too bad, but the presentation was all kinds of weird. His stage maneurisms were distracting and the song choice didn't quite fit.

As for James, well, I expected to hate him, but I must admit that he grabed my attention tonight. I wouldn't buy his performance, but he was certainly compelling to watch and believable and didn't over-sing too much. Good for you James.

The others were far less memorable. I don't think Clint, Jovany or Jordan stand a chance of making it on Thursday (well, not with the public votes). I like Tim's tone of voice, but his performance was all kinds of "meh". I thought Robbie had better control over his vocals than what he showed, but he was kind of all over the place tonight, and also slightly boring. Stephano is adorable, but his voice sounded really thin. And Scotty's style is so far from anything that I would ever want to listen to that I can't really judge. It's just not my cup of tea.
 

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I think I had five too. A different five.. hee.. that I liked

Paul and Casey. Loved both of them.

Paul had a lot of personality onstage, he smiled he moved, he sounded great. My only criticism would be to move around a bit less. (I`m so picky, lol) mostly because it was hard for the camera to keep up with him, and it is television afterall you have to be able to see him.

Casey kinda blew me away. I`m still not sure I`d buy his album after but I loved the passion, I loved his voice I thought it was beyond great.

My next two were Jacob and James.

I`m not really a fan of the Luthor Vandross type of singing - it`s just not for me, but Jacob was excellent tonight and I could see him making a lot of fans.

James - I was excited to see his performance - because let`s face it - Judas Priest! He was actually really good tonight. I really enjoyed his stage presence and he didn`t go over the edge of my screamy line in the sand. He had good control and was fun to watch. I`m gonna dust off my metal cd`s.

My Other one is Scotty - country music is going to love this kid. He has a real natural way about him on stage - better than I thought he would actually. He did give me some Jaydee vibes have to admit which worries me a bit.. LOL ..but he has a voice made for country music. Never buying the album, but maybe my Mom will. ;)

Okay, okay and my sixth.. is Clint. (under duress) He has a good voice, but I wasn`t that impressed with the song choice it seems very Idol-y.

The others were meh-ish.

Brett was on the line of Meh. I can see potential in him, but it`s not there yet, he doesn`t have a lot of comfort on the stage.

Giovanny - Voice was good but the performance was a meh x 10 for me.

Jordan picked OMG. Why? Usher doesn`t even sing that song. He dances to it.

Tim wasn`t at all memorable. Not at all. And for someone who didn`t have a lot of screen time.. I don`t think he`s gonna have an easy time.

Robbie - I really like the kid but that was overwrought IMHO

Stefano - All I have written down is - NO (LOL)
 
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I can see why, objectively, Jacob gave a good performance. But I can't stand him. Go away. Ark! The whole thing felt really unpleasant to me. I have a very negative visceral reaction to him, I can't help it. Just no.

Oh, SleepinIn, you didn't mention Jaydee, right? Another Idol contestant I had a negative visceral reaction towards. Yuck!
 

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I can see why, objectively, Jacob gave a good performance. But I can't stand him. Go away. Ark! The whole thing felt really unpleasant to me. I have a very negative visceral reaction to him, I can't help it. Just no.

Yeah it`s not my thing either, but he was really good at what he was doing. So I have to give him props for that.

Oh, SleepinIn, you didn't mention Jaydee, right? Another Idol contestant I had a negative visceral reaction towards. Yuck!

LOL ! I had tooooo. Oh, Jaydee. Picture Babyturnthelightsdownlow singing Elvis. Or better yet. DON`T! ACK!
(mind bleach)

Lizzie tweeted this! :) Less Bieber is a good thing.
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/h0vjfnaj - Shared by lizbiz8

Finally listening to the Interview from this morning.

Kris said he was writing with this person as well as the Nasri guy we knew about. He wrote Bubbly with Colbie Caillat.

Jason Reeves (songwriter) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Kris looks like he's in one of those ads for hard water - he's the "before" picture - before the water softener is installed. I'm assuming you guys have hard water in Canada. We did, where I went to college. My hair often looked like that. lol

I don't think the pic with Cale and Torres is necessarily accurate, though. Pictures lie. Torres for some reason can take a sexy picture for instance but in life he just seems goofy (in a good way).

Well, I waited until I got to work (not that I had a choice) to do my recap. The first thing I have to say is that if you remove the smoke and mirrors, the fancy-shmancy set and lights, the excitement of having new judges (even though they're basically useless as judges, especially JLo), I don't think this group of guys is really all that much better than last season's.

I know this is a radical opinion, but think about it. And get back to me in a few weeks.

By the way, last year didn't they play instruments in this round? Maybe not. I can't remember Casey James ever appearing without a guitar, though.

Okay, here goes.

Clint. The lights and the cutting really were distracting for me until I got used to the funhouse quality. I tried to notice the performances despite all the hoopla. In these rounds, in my opinion, there ought to be a minimum of distraction from the singers and the singing. Idol disagrees with me, obviously.

Anyhow, I missed some of Clint but I got to hear him scream. There were a lot of screamers tonight. I think five of them screamed. This is way different from last season, where none of the guys screamed. I'm not against screaming, especially. I liked it when Adam did it until he overdid it to the point of monotony. But more on this later.

I got no impression of this performance except it seemed overdone and the poor kid doesn't really have a great screen presence. At least he wasn't incredibly dull like...

Jovany. Did that really only last 90 seconds? Personally I would not have chosen anything that dull for this round, and I didn't think he had anything like a memorable or even a pretty voice. People worse than him have become professional singers, with one name, who pose with their shirts off on album covers. Autotune and a lot of production take care of the rest. But on Idol it would be hard to win based on so little talent.

Jordan. That just wasn't good. I haven't ever seen him before, so I assume he's better than this if he made the Top 24.

Tim. I haven't seen him before either, and it was less than great - but he has something, it's wierd how some people do - like, I wanted to see more of him and anyway I liked his voice. My feeling is that he's not the type to sing without accompanying himself and he didn't know how to use that big stage for a song like that (Rob Thomas?). So I don't get why they can't play instruments. Because (correct me if I'm wrong) he must play an instrument when he sings, usually. It doesn't seem fair to handicap people like him in this way. This is why Idol used to end up with the type of singers who do Broadways shows five years later.

Brett. I couldn't get into him. really couldn't.

James. Awesome. He was so real and natural and his delivery of the lyrics was so emotional and believable, I just totally went with it. I'm not a fan of the song, especially. Not a fan of screaming but hey, on him , it looks good. He's much more raw than, say, Adam , who is more studied/theatrical. I always look for guts in Adam's singing but he's more pure singer than gutsy emoter. The latter is more my preference. So - he was actually my favorite tonight. I like his lower register a lot.

Robbie. Oh, Robbie. This is where being so young is a handicap. If he went on this show at 20 he would be so much better. Archie and Allsion - yes - apparently they don't need as much seasoning. But he just makes a lot of bad choices that I think are the result of his inexperience (I guess). Anyhow, what a nice kid and he has a good voice but I hate what he did with it. And he reminded me of Aaaron from last season, which is not a good thing.

Scott. Here's where I'm not sure, as I'm not a country fan, so he may be a dime a dozen, in country - I really don't know. I don't think so, though. He has a rich pure voice and his personality, which seems great, comes across - sincerity. So, yeah. He's cool. Very good singer. Good taste.

Stefano. I didn't get the "you could be on the radio right now" stuff. I don't think he's anything special. He has no neck, but I suppose I shouldn't bring that up. The singing was, I thought, kinda bad. I don't like the song, I think it and Bruno are severely overrated, so that didn't help.

Jacob. Pageanty. Idol 2004. I guess some people like it but I have no need for it. He seems like a good guy, but spare me from this kind of singing. We learned that JLo's favorite singer is Luther Vandross. This is not good.

Paul. I thought the smiling was nice, I agree, though I thought his teeth were too big and white, and he might eat the audience. Anyway, I don't know if I like his tone, but I was surprised when they went on about how nothing like that has ever been heard on Idol before. Alex Lambert and Jason Castro had interesting voices - come on. He's not the first. I don't know about him. If he can do more than that - a lot more - I want to see it.

Casey. Casey is someone I liked from the start but now I all of a sudden find him super overrated. The screaming was basically unpleasant and when he didn't yell his voice was practically nonexistent - like talking. I don't want the wool pulled over my eyes, right now I think he's kind of a sham. I didn't like what I heard, anyhow. Not sure why he affected me this way.

This year they obviously have more showmen than last year but I'm not sure that's necessarily better. I think a lot of them are good at presenting something but what's really there?
 
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By the way, last year didn't they play instruments in this round? Maybe not. I can't remember Casey James ever appearing without a guitar, though.

Yes, last year they could use instruments. But this year, it's the year where they can't "hide" behind instruments, so they're limiting the number of weeks in which instruments can be used.

So I don't get why they can't play instruments. Because (correct me if I'm wrong) he must play an instrument when he sings, usually.

Yes, he's a piano player, from what we've seen so far. I do also believe he can be way WAY better than what he showed last night, but he blew it and I don't think he'll make it through.

I hear what you're saying about Casey and I understand what makes you feel that way. His vocals were less than perfect. But considering he was in the hospital a few hours prior to his performance, I can let it go for this time. Also, he's just so entertaining and likeable that I can't help rooting for him. I don't think he's a sham. I believe he has obvious musical talent, he uses great phrasing and dynamics, he just needs to try not to become a gimmick and really concentrate on his singing. For the moment, I still love him.

It seems the consensus is that Casey, Scotty, James and Jacob will make it through for sure and I'd agree with that. The 5th spot seems more up for grabs, but consensus is also that Jovany, Jordan and Tim are definitely out. So it leaves Paul (which a lot of people favor as well), Brett, Robbie, Stefano and Clint for the 5th spot and the wildcard choice(s). I want Paul in for sure, and I don't like Clint that much, but from the other three I'm not sure who I'd want to choose.