Canadian Federal Election Outcome October 20th (or 27th?), 2025.

Ron in Regina

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Whomever gets leadership will be PM for a day.

Nobody is going to back them until October. Libs couldn't pass gas let alone any bills.
Then why set it up the way they did, without having a further plan?

(I think the further plan is the NDP already bought and purchased with something. Yes we don’t know about it, from a perpetually leaky information sieve, so I think it’s something really shitty for Canada and Canadians, or information would be dribbling out already)
 

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Then why set it up the way they did, without having a further plan?

(I think the further plan is the NDP already bought and purchased with something. Yes we don’t know about it, from a perpetually leaky information sieve, so I think it’s something really shitty for Canada and Canadians, or information would be dribbling out already)
You're really gambling on the NDP huh?
 

Ron in Regina

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You're really gambling on the NDP huh?
No, I think you’re really gambling on the NDP. I’m just looking at their record of what they’ve actually done to predict their future behaviour…& trying to make sense of the Liberals actions ‘cuz there’s gotta be some sorta twisted logic buried in there somewhere.
 

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No, I think you’re really gambling on the NDP. I’m just looking at their record of what they’ve actually done to predict their future behaviour…& trying to make sense of the Liberals actions ‘cuz there’s gotta be some sorta twisted logic buried in there somewhere.
What future do they have? Selling soap on Etsy

Why crash the gravytrain when you might get another ticket to ride?
 

Ron in Regina

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What future do they have? Selling soap on Etsy

Why crash the gravytrain when you might get another ticket to ride?
Why gamble at all on a ‘might’, when through your own actions you can guarantee a golden parachute pension for life that you wouldn’t (sorry, ‘might not) otherwise get?

I think that’s what we might be seeing end of March, the rental price for the NDP to back the liberals, regardless of the ripped & torn up agreement where the NDP has backed the Liberals in parliament every single time since.

Singh’s pension is in the bag now, but not several of his other MP’s, & same with many of the Liberals. We’re talking about 30 MP’s here combined between those two parties…& unlike us, they each get a vote in parliament.
 

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Why gamble at all on a ‘might’, when through your own actions you can guarantee a golden parachute pension for life that you wouldn’t (sorry, ‘might not) otherwise get?

I think that’s what we might be seeing end of March, the rental price for the NDP to back the liberals, regardless of the ripped & torn up agreement where the NDP has backed the Liberals in parliament every single time since.

Singh’s pension is in the bag now, but not several of his other MP’s, & same with many of the Liberals. We’re talking about 30 MP’s here combined between those two parties…& unlike us, they each get a vote in parliament.
Why risk getting shot?
 

Ron in Regina

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Here’s something to Chase when time permits…
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What if the government can avert a confidence vote or extend its lifespan through these early confidence votes (including the Speech from the Throne) and a potential 2025 budget? What if it can even get to the G7 summit in June when the prime minister will chair the meeting of major world leaders? And what about the fixed election date in October? Could the government possibly go beyond it?

(This sounds so familiar….Like somebody I know has been saying this for a long time. I wonder who that could be?)

Notwithstanding Jagmeet Singh’s insistence that he will vote against a government led by any new Liberal prime minister, it’s not implausible to think that Mark Carney or Chrystia Freeland might be able to persuade him to change his mind with offers of cabinet posts, electoral reform, or progress on other NDP priorities…or even just the pretence towards them in order to extend the election date past October 20th 2025….

(Singh and his team might be prepared to revisit their unequivocal promise to immediately vote down the government)

But if we’re entertaining hypothetical scenarios, it’s possible for a Carney- or Freeland-led government to more controversially go beyond the fixed election date. The four-year fixed election date in October 2025 is set out in the Elections Canada Act. But…

…But as Carleton University professor Philippe Lagassé recently explained at The Hub, the Constitution only requires an election every five years. The government could therefore amend or repeal the legislated election date or possibly even ignore it altogether….& which sad, pathetic federal party with a bunch of outgoing MP’s that would miss their pension golden parachute ticket by one day would support something like this?

(We’ve consulted with various lawyers on this question and gotten mixed perspectives rooted in a legalistic debate about whether the legislation is “directory” or mandatory—though in this scenario if the NDP was propping up the government, it could, in theory, support a legislative amendment.)

Extending the government beyond the four-year term limit would no doubt be contentious. It would arguably be even more controversial if Carney was the prime minister given that he wouldn’t at least start with a seat in the House of Commons. As a matter of politics, it would therefore be a high-risk strategy—one that could even do greater damage to the government’s already poor political standing.

But if the new prime minister faces mere days or weeks before an election campaign, it may be viewed as a worthwhile bet compared to the alternative.

Presumably, the political gamble would be that the short-term opprobrium would eventually be offset by the potential gains. Maybe the government uses the extra time to provide some budget goodies or secure a deal with the Trump administration or even permit the Conservatives to perhaps succumb to their own unforced errors???

At minimum, it would enable the prime minister to extend his or her time in office beyond Charles Tupper or John Turner or Kim Campbell, who served in the role for just 68, 79 and 132 days respectively.

This may seem like an improbable scenario—and it indeed might be. But it’s not implausible. Especially when compared to the probable outcome which amounts to walking into electoral buzzsaw mere weeks after winning the Liberal Party leadership and becoming prime minister.
As the leadership race kicks off, these are precisely the types of questions that the news media ought to be asking of the candidates.
1) What’s their political intention?
2) What are they prepared to give up to the NDP to stay in power?
3) And are they willing to blow past the fixed election date?
Poilievre’s Conservatives have a massive 21-point lead over the Liberals and will almost certainly form the next government should there be an election. How can the Liberals avoid that, & at what cost?
 

Ron in Regina

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Why doesn’t Trudeau just allow Canadians to say who stands with Canada, & who has a mandate to deal with Donald Trump?
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Oh yeah, right. Better prorogue Parliament, put the country on hold, hold a liberal leader-type leadership race, etc…as the American Government isn’t handcuffed by Justin Trudeau ‘cuz Liberals gotta Lib.
 

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Why doesn’t Trudeau just allow Canadians to say who stands with Canada, & who has a mandate to deal with Donald Trump?
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Oh yeah, right. Better prorogue Parliament, put the country on hold, hold a liberal leader-type leadership race, etc…as the American Government isn’t handcuffed by Justin Trudeau ‘cuz Liberals gotta Lib.
Standing with Danielle Smith IS standing with Canadians. Or at least the ones that pay the bills for the east.
Why would anyone living west of OntariOWE be willing to take a hit for the subsidized manufacturing in OntariOWE and Quebec?
 

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Why doesn’t Trudeau just allow Canadians to say who stands with Canada, & who has a mandate to deal with Donald Trump?
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Oh yeah, right. Better prorogue Parliament, put the country on hold, hold a liberal leader-type leadership race, etc…as the American Government isn’t handcuffed by Justin Trudeau ‘cuz Liberals gotta Lib.
OTTAWA, ON: The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms announces that Chief Justice Paul S. Crampton has granted the applicants’ motion for an expedited hearing in the legal challenge to the Prime Minister’s decision to advise the Governor General of Canada to prorogue Parliament until March 24, 2025.
On January 6, Prime Minister Trudeau announced the decision to advise the Governor General to prorogue (shut down) Parliament for eleven weeks.

This decision followed remarks from President-elect Trump that he intended to impose 25 percent tariffs on all imports to the United States. On January 7, 2025, President-elect Trump further stated that his administration would consider the use of “economic force” to annex Canada.

On January 7, lawyers acting on behalf of Nova Scotians David MacKinnon and Aris Lavranos filed a Federal Court challenge to the decision to prorogue Parliament, citing concerns about the negative impacts of that decision on democracy, the rule of law, and the ability of Parliament to respond to “the grave challenge” of President-elect Trump’s foreign policy.
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Their application requested an order setting aside the decision to prorogue Parliament and a declaration that this session of Parliament had not been prorogued.
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On January 9, the applicants’ lawyers submitted a motion for an expedited hearing to the Federal Court. In their motion for an expedited hearing, the applicants expressed that the decision of the Prime Minister presented an intolerable harm to democracy, our Parliamentary system, and the rule of law during a time when Canada faces a grave threat.

On January 13, the Crown stated that it did not consider the matter urgent and did not consent to an expedited hearing.
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This would screw the claim of “the Gov’t” of Trudeau/Carney coming back at a later date to try and use Trump as a reason to declare an Economic Emergency, wouldn’t it???

However, Chief Justice Paul S. Crampton of the Federal Court granted the motion for an expedited hearing today, January 18.
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In his reasons, Chief Justice Crampton stated, “If the underlying Application is not scheduled to be heard on an expedited basis, there will be no opportunity for Canada’s elected representatives to debate this serious threat [of 25 percent tariffs] and take any action that they may consider appropriate for over two months following President-elect Trump’s assumption of office.”

Chief Justice Crampton further stated that the possibility of the Federal Court hearing the applicants’ case afterParliament resumes would deprive the applicants of access to justice.

In his conclusion, Chief Justice Crampton decided, “In brief, the factors that weigh in favour of expediting the hearing of the underlying Application include the urgency of the matter, the fact that the core relief sought will become moot if the Court’s standard timelines are not abridged, and the public interest in having the serious issues raised in the Application determined as expeditiously as possible.”

The hearing on the legal challenge to the decision to prorogue Parliament will occur in Ottawa on February 13 and 14, 2025.

(Ironically, February 14th is the 3rd anniversary the government invoked the Emergencies Act, & the last day of the Liberal/NDP selective GST Holiday, & Valentines Day I guess)
Constitutional lawyer Andre Memauri, co-counsel on the matter, stated, “We are very pleased with Chief Justice Crampton’s decision and the Court’s indulgence to expedite this very important matter for Canada’s democracy at a critical time.”

Mr. Memauri further concluded, “Parliament’s ability to oversee the Federal Government is serious and important to all Canadians, and we appreciate that the Court has preserved this potential outcome in its decision today.”
 
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This is trippy shit here. Boiled down, it’s a lot of “if’s” but depending on how the cards fall…it could be a real clown show.

“If” the court finds that the current prorogation is invalid….then the PM’s request of it was wrong/illegal, & the GG’s accepting of the PM’s request was also wrong/illegal.

“Then” in theory, “if” the court decides the proroguation is invalid on Feb 14th, that means Parliament is back in sitting, & all committees are back in place, & all bills and business kiboshed by proroguation is back in play, & the Liberal Gov’t is still on the hook to provide the documents as declared by the speaker of the house regarding the “Green Slush Fund” before other business can continue….& Parliament would sit the very next business day, which would be Monday February 17th, 2025.

In theory, but who knows, there would be a crown speech, & an opportunity for a confidence vote, & “if” Jagmeet doesn’t automatically support the Liberals like every other time for the last 3 years…we might get that election we’ve all been waiting for….
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Now, “if” that happens, on February 17th, & the Liberal Party leadership vote is scheduled for March 9…”then” the Liberals are technically going to the polls with…

…with Justin Trudeau as their Lord & Saviour as the (still) sitting PM & Liberal Leader of Canada. This all happening while Trump would have been in office less than a month.

A couple weeks later, the Libs might still decide upon a new leader (Carney or Freeland or someone else?) if Justin Trudeau actually steps down. So far he hasn’t, so this is some weird territory.

Ironically, “if” the above senario plays out, it’ll all come back to this guy:
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…& who has done what lately to rent his loyalty.
 
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As the leadership race kicks off, these are precisely the types of questions that the news media ought to be asking of the candidates.
1) What’s their political intention?
2) What are they prepared to give up to the NDP to stay in power?
3) And are they willing to blow past the fixed election date?
I still haven’t heard from anybody in the mainstream media, asking any of the liberal candidates the above questions. Weirdly…
 

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Now, “if” that happens, on February 17th, & the Liberal Party leadership vote is scheduled for March 9…”then” the Liberals are technically going to the polls with…

…with Justin Trudeau as their Lord & Saviour as the (still) sitting PM & Liberal Leader of Canada. This all happening while Trump would have been in office less than a month.
A couple weeks later, the Libs might still decide upon a new leader (Carney or Freeland or someone else?) if Justin Trudeau actually steps down. So far he hasn’t, so this is some weird territory.
 
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SUNny ways Peoplekind.
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From foreign interference to manipulating Canada’s criminal justice system — recall the SNC-Lavalin scandal — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals have repeatedly demonstrated their willingness to put their partisan political interests ahead of the interests of the people of Canada.

The situation is no different today, with Trudeau and what little remains of his government — which is near death and on life support — desperately attempting to revive their political fortunes by posing as would-be Captain Canadas, ready to protect their fellow citizens from a looming tariff war with U.S. President Donald Trump.

Their strategy — also adopted by leading Liberal leadership contenders like Mark Carney and Chrystia Freeland — is to hope that when Canadians finally go to the polls in a federal election, which is now imminent, they will forget about a decade of Liberal scandals, waste, reckless and irresponsible spending and political corruption because, the Liberals claim, they are now standing up to Trump.

This has become the Liberal mantra in every election after their first victory in 2015 — create a bogeyman, this time it’s Trump, typically it’s the Conservative party leader who they then suggest has a hidden agenda to ban abortions, outlaw same-sex marriages or similar nonsense.
 
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This is trippy shit here. Boiled down, it’s a lot of “if’s” but depending on how the cards fall…it could be a real clown show.

“If” the court finds that the current prorogation is invalid….then the PM’s request of it was wrong/illegal, & the GG’s accepting of the PM’s request was also wrong/illegal.
We'll see what the SCoC says.
“Then” in theory, “if” the court decides the proroguation is invalid on Feb 14th, that means Parliament is back in sitting, & all committees are back in place, & all bills and business kiboshed by proroguation is back in play, & the Liberal Gov’t is still on the hook to provide the documents as declared by the speaker of the house regarding the “Green Slush Fund” before other business can continue….
…by proroguing at such a critical time in our history, Trudeau has left this country naked against any aggressive measures President Donald Trump may implement. We cannot pass any legislation or approve any budgetary measures until Parliament returns on March 24.
…& Parliament would sit the very next business day, which would be Monday February 17th, 2025.
Let’s not forget, that this country is in this dire position due to the vain political ambition of one man: Trudeau. He clung to power for far too long. Had he quit last year, or had NDP leader Jagmeet Singh not propped him up,
Ironically, “if” the above senario plays out, it’ll all come back to this guy:
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…& who has done what lately to rent his loyalty.
…we would by now have had an election. We would have a new government and a new leader with a strong mandate.

Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre this week called for Parliament to be recalled immediately: “Liberals have shut Parliament in the middle of this crisis. Canada has never been so weak and things have never been so out of control,” he said.

Trudeau can and must re-open Parliament. That way, we can finally use that other great lever offered by a parliamentary democracy: We can vote this dreadful government out of office.
 

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We’ll, after Justin Trudeau‘s commitment towards eventually resigning after the Liberals select a new leader (preferably the one that he has chosen), it seems to have helped them out in the polls somewhat:
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Not as potentially winning the next federal election whenever that’s allowed to happen…but in maybe not coming in third place, the the Libs still might end up being the official opposition…which could be interesting.
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Looking forward to the Conservatives introducing legislation to tighten things up to prevent fraud & shenanigans (like conflicts of interest with teeth) by Members of Parliament with the only way to overrule/overturn them being with a 75% majority vote in parliament. Looking forward to learning the names of some of these new rules that I’m assuming are coming down the pipe.😉

The “Justin Trudeau Money for Nothing & Chicks for Free Rule” or the “At Least Two Randy’s Shenanigans Rule”, etc…
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We’ll, after Justin Trudeau‘s commitment towards eventually resigning after the Liberals select a new leader (preferably the one that he has chosen), it seems to have helped them out in the polls somewhat:
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Not as potentially winning the next federal election whenever that’s allowed to happen…but in maybe not coming in third place, the the Libs still might end up being the official opposition…which could be interesting.
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Looking forward to the Conservatives introducing legislation to tighten things up to prevent fraud & shenanigans (like conflicts of interest with teeth) by Members of Parliament with the only way to overrule/overturn them being with a 75% majority vote in parliament. Looking forward to learning the names of some of these new rules that I’m assuming are coming down the pipe.😉

The “Justin Trudeau Money for Nothing & Chicks for Free Rule” or the “At Least Two Randy’s Shenanigans Rule”, etc…
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The you can no longer pretend to be an Indian rule .