First of all, we only have 5 high school levels.. Then CÉGEP or DEP and finaly University (if one chooses this path). We value how our system is built, and I for one do not want to see it changed.
Canadian Education System
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So maybe the rest of us should change to your system? I don't know much about your system, but like I said, from what I've seen it is more advanced than the one in Manitoba. That would also place it above Ontario's too. That's judging by the people I've met who have been through the various systems...people from Quebec seem to get a more well-rounded education, much like people from Europe.
Even if we were each to stick with our different systems though, there must be some sort of equivalency that we could acheive.
Even if we were each to stick with our different systems though, there must be some sort of equivalency that we could acheive.
We should have equal education throughout the country. Our children are our future, and we must provide them with a quality and well-planned education system. Quebec has a very good education program, and so DID Ontario. Ontario lost their place when they cut off that extra optional year of secondary school (OAC or Grade 13) pushing students into an "experimental" new system.
The tories really messed up in some ways, but very well could have brought about the reforms in a more uniform and sane way. It really messed a lot of students up. Luckily, I wasn't effected by any of this in high school, but I have heard of some kids that jumped from a regular grade 8 class to a, what used to be, grade 11 education. Totally screwed a whole generation of high school students.
The tories really messed up in some ways, but very well could have brought about the reforms in a more uniform and sane way. It really messed a lot of students up. Luckily, I wasn't effected by any of this in high school, but I have heard of some kids that jumped from a regular grade 8 class to a, what used to be, grade 11 education. Totally screwed a whole generation of high school students.
I love how they use us as guinea pigs....lol
But we are thankful over here for no grade 13, lol.
But we are thankful over here for no grade 13, lol.
The education system in Quebec is not as good as one might think. It's been reformed many times in the last 20 years. Any new education minister in Quebec since the 1970s has come up with news ideas which weren't always constructive. Ever since they were created, the Cegeps have been severely criticized. 30% of male students are high school dropouts and the whole system is ill-financed.
Its always critised from the outside. Talk to many University Students, you will see what they think of the CEGEP. It is the old guard that critises.
Quebec and education
As a French AND English Quebecker (sorry for spoiling your dream of the Duceppe era there), I have had the opportunity to being educated in both languages. What I noticed here is that the French in French schools is wonderful, as is the French in English schools. The biggest problem is the massively lacking quality of the English programs in French schools. I mean, it's really pathetic. People are graduating high school English courses and can barely, and I mean barely, comprehend the basics of the language. I skipped from grade 8 to grade 11 English and was still vastly better than any of the other French students. And that's not because I'm smarter, to be sure.
We keep promotting our educational freeze but our taxes are also significantly higher (a person of average income paying about 1200-2500$ more per year). There is your education budget right there. Our roads are poorer than anywhere in North America (there are surveys and studies to support this). Hey but at least our kids are bilingual right? Wrong. Anglophones in Quebec are bilingual; francophones are really far behind.
Moving on to the public school system, it's kind of a joke in Canada but even more so here. The Administration often have only basic concepts of business management, which leads to poor spending practices. We have adopted the law of "no kid can skip a grade more than once" as though that is somehow going to improve the quality of education... We have much larger class sizes here than in the rest of Canada.
Our Universities are rated far lower in just about every program. And yes, that includes McGill, who are simply running off the steam of their former glory. They are rated quite far back in the actual rankings now though.
Our general knowledge of foreign affairs (even of national affairs) is lower. That can be attributed to the language barrier and the very poor media coverage by the french media of anything outside of the province of Quebec. Yes, it is in fact a province and not its own nation. When I visit Quebec city, I go to the Provincial Capital... sheesh.
Anyway, because I am ranting, while I MUCH prefer our system to the states (as I have many friends and some family from the states), we are behind. Ranked 17th I believe amongst other industrialized nations, unless we've slipped even further since last I checked. So yeah, we need some serious reform. Education is what makes us move forward, not gun laws.
But hey, that's just one person's opinion. It's worth only what it's worth.
Thanks for taking the hour to read this! haha
As a French AND English Quebecker (sorry for spoiling your dream of the Duceppe era there), I have had the opportunity to being educated in both languages. What I noticed here is that the French in French schools is wonderful, as is the French in English schools. The biggest problem is the massively lacking quality of the English programs in French schools. I mean, it's really pathetic. People are graduating high school English courses and can barely, and I mean barely, comprehend the basics of the language. I skipped from grade 8 to grade 11 English and was still vastly better than any of the other French students. And that's not because I'm smarter, to be sure.
We keep promotting our educational freeze but our taxes are also significantly higher (a person of average income paying about 1200-2500$ more per year). There is your education budget right there. Our roads are poorer than anywhere in North America (there are surveys and studies to support this). Hey but at least our kids are bilingual right? Wrong. Anglophones in Quebec are bilingual; francophones are really far behind.
Moving on to the public school system, it's kind of a joke in Canada but even more so here. The Administration often have only basic concepts of business management, which leads to poor spending practices. We have adopted the law of "no kid can skip a grade more than once" as though that is somehow going to improve the quality of education... We have much larger class sizes here than in the rest of Canada.
Our Universities are rated far lower in just about every program. And yes, that includes McGill, who are simply running off the steam of their former glory. They are rated quite far back in the actual rankings now though.
Our general knowledge of foreign affairs (even of national affairs) is lower. That can be attributed to the language barrier and the very poor media coverage by the french media of anything outside of the province of Quebec. Yes, it is in fact a province and not its own nation. When I visit Quebec city, I go to the Provincial Capital... sheesh.
Anyway, because I am ranting, while I MUCH prefer our system to the states (as I have many friends and some family from the states), we are behind. Ranked 17th I believe amongst other industrialized nations, unless we've slipped even further since last I checked. So yeah, we need some serious reform. Education is what makes us move forward, not gun laws.
But hey, that's just one person's opinion. It's worth only what it's worth.
Thanks for taking the hour to read this! haha
As a French AND English Quebecker (sorry for spoiling your dream of the Duceppe era there), I have had the opportunity to being educated in both languages. What I noticed here is that the French in French schools is wonderful, as is the French in English schools. The biggest problem is the massively lacking quality of the English programs in French schools. I mean, it's really pathetic. People are graduating high school English courses and can barely, and I mean barely, comprehend the basics of the language. I skipped from grade 8 to grade 11 English and was still vastly better than any of the other French students. And that's not because I'm smarter, to be sure.
We keep promotting our educational freeze but our taxes are also significantly higher (a person of average income paying about 1200-2500$ more per year). There is your education budget right there. Our roads are poorer than anywhere in North America (there are surveys and studies to support this). Hey but at least our kids are bilingual right? Wrong. Anglophones in Quebec are bilingual; francophones are really far behind.
Moving on to the public school system, it's kind of a joke in Canada but even more so here. The Administration often have only basic concepts of business management, which leads to poor spending practices. We have adopted the law of "no kid can skip a grade more than once" as though that is somehow going to improve the quality of education... We have much larger class sizes here than in the rest of Canada.
Our Universities are rated far lower in just about every program. And yes, that includes McGill, who are simply running off the steam of their former glory. They are rated quite far back in the actual rankings now though.
Our general knowledge of foreign affairs (even of national affairs) is lower. That can be attributed to the language barrier and the very poor media coverage by the french media of anything outside of the province of Quebec. Yes, it is in fact a province and not its own nation. When I visit Quebec city, I go to the Provincial Capital... sheesh.
Anyway, because I am ranting, while I MUCH prefer our system to the states (as I have many friends and some family from the states), we are behind. Ranked 17th I believe amongst other industrialized nations, unless we've slipped even further since last I checked. So yeah, we need some serious reform. Education is what makes us move forward, not gun laws.
But hey, that's just one person's opinion. It's worth only what it's worth.
Thanks for taking the hour to read this! haha
I believe what you've said. But when I went through all of my schooling in Quebec and I knew the French system as well, there were no complaints.
What has happened in almost 40 years?
McGill used to push the top universities in the world.
As did the University of Montreal.
Sad.....
scratch
40 years of politics is what happened...
Canada used to be at the head of the pack consistently for many, many years. Seen as a country of peace and reason, of new technology and human compassion; seen as the Greece of its time really.
And then 40 years of politics. Strange policies from all parties. Governing took second place to politics and the various parties just started in-fighting. I'm surprised that we, as Canadians, didn't at that point kind of notice a problem though. And don't forget, especially in quebec, multiple referendums are our wonderful legacy to our children that we need to overcome. Hundreds of millions of dollars (likely billions, though of course everyone is refusing to divulge just how devastating it was financially) in debt.
It's too bad we have to keep inflating the value of Welfare and not so much of education and health. Incidentally, the healthier, happier, more educated and more occupied your population is, the less crime there is in general; the more productive the society becomes and the less the population falls victim to silly corporate scams, political talking-points and all things requiring someone be less aware in order for them to succeed. (Up to 50% off!, for example).
We'll come around some day, I have faith. It'll take our input and direct intervention though.
Canada used to be at the head of the pack consistently for many, many years. Seen as a country of peace and reason, of new technology and human compassion; seen as the Greece of its time really.
And then 40 years of politics. Strange policies from all parties. Governing took second place to politics and the various parties just started in-fighting. I'm surprised that we, as Canadians, didn't at that point kind of notice a problem though. And don't forget, especially in quebec, multiple referendums are our wonderful legacy to our children that we need to overcome. Hundreds of millions of dollars (likely billions, though of course everyone is refusing to divulge just how devastating it was financially) in debt.
It's too bad we have to keep inflating the value of Welfare and not so much of education and health. Incidentally, the healthier, happier, more educated and more occupied your population is, the less crime there is in general; the more productive the society becomes and the less the population falls victim to silly corporate scams, political talking-points and all things requiring someone be less aware in order for them to succeed. (Up to 50% off!, for example).
We'll come around some day, I have faith. It'll take our input and direct intervention though.