Canadian Banks on a Roll

SirJosephPorter

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These days, while American banks are in deep trouble, there is talk of nationalizing American banks and British banks are being nationalized (Royal Bank of Scotland just had the dubious distinction of reporting the biggest loss in the history of British business, with loss of more than 25 billion $ for the last quarter), it seems Canadian banks have nothing else to do but to count their money and laugh all the way to the bank.

First Toronto Dominion Bank reported substantial profits, which while down from last year, exceeded expectations.

Then came Royal Bank. Royal Bank (TSX:RY) reported first-quarter profit down 15 per cent at $1.05 billion from $1.25 billion a year ago. Total revenue rose $6.94 billion from $5.65 billion and the quarterly dividend was unchanged at 50 cents per share.

CIBC’s story is even more remarkable. A year ago CIBC reported a loss of 1.46 billion $, mainly because of exposure to sub prime mortgages.. But CIBC turned itself around in these harsh, bleak times and CIBC (TSX:CM) reported first-quarter profit of $147 million, reversing a year-ago $1.46-billion loss. The bank booked $483 million in an after-tax loss on structured credit run-off activities. The quarterly dividend is unchanged at 87 cents

So the profit of 147 million $ is after salting away 483 million $ to compensate for any future losses.

Incidentally, the dividend paid by Royal Bank and CIBC are 6.1% and 7.6% respectively. Not only banks are doing very well, but they are in a good position to weather further downturn in the economy. It looks like the dividend will stay the same, I don’t see any of the banks cutting the dividend.

Quite a remarkable Canadian success story. I know it is fashionable to gripe and grumble about the banks, to complain about service charges etc. But I would hope that the current economic meltdown causes Canadians to appreciate our banks, the splendid job they do. Canadian banks are a pillar of stability in these unstable, bleak economic times.
 

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Is that our finance-friendly rules ... like the ones that make it perfectly alright to double rates and gouge in tough times? Damn the people as long as the company survives....
 

SirJosephPorter

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Is that our finance-friendly rules ... like the ones that make it perfectly alright to double rates and gouge in tough times? Damn the people as long as the company survives....

If our banks had not been doing well, Canada would be in much worse shape than it is now. for one thing, there would have to be a huge bailout by federal government, perhaps amounting to tens of billions of dollars, like they have had to do in USA and Britain.

Credit, lending would have totally dried up, as it did in USA. In Canada, banks are still lending, but they are much more prudent than US banks were. Now US banks have gone to the other extreme and are not lending to anybody, thereby causing the current credit crunch. Canadian banks are lending, that is how they make their profits (that and the service charges).

And when did the banks double the rates? Anyway, which would you prefer, paying what you consider are excessive bank charges or federal government paying out tens of billions of $ to the banks as bailout money?

Anyway, if you want to share in some of the bounty reaped by the banks, there is a simple solution, buy bank stocks (I am heavily invested in all the major Canadian banks), rather than complain about it. Where else are you going to get annual return of 7 to 9% practically guaranteed (and taxed at lower rate than interest income)? With promise of substantial capital gains in the years to come?
 

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Sr J... GREAT... truly... perhaps American banks DO need to learn from Canadian banks.

But easy on the gloating would you! Again it is not enough to be doing well or good... you have to compare Canada to the US (and in this case Britain as well).

I bet Swiss Banks are better than yours. Do you see the Swiss jumping up and down with glee that their banks are better than Canada's?

Geez
 

SirJosephPorter

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I bet Swiss Banks are better than yours. Do you see the Swiss jumping up and down with glee that their banks are better than Canada's?

Eaglesmack, for one thing, Swiss people don’t participate in this forum, so who is going to gloat on behalf of Swiss banks?

For another, I think Swiss banks are in deep trouble. I listened to a feature on banks on CBC radio recently, and they mentioned Iceland, Ireland, Switzerland and USA as countries whose banks are in deep trouble. I think Swedish banks are doing very well, the IMF survey, which put Canadian banks No.1, put Swedish banks at No.2. But I don’t think Swiss banks are doing well at all, at least not according to the CBC report.
 

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I bet Swiss Banks are better than yours. Do you see the Swiss jumping up and down with glee that their banks are better than Canada's?

Eaglesmack, for one thing, Swiss people don’t participate in this forum, so who is going to gloat on behalf of Swiss banks?

For another, I think Swiss banks are in deep trouble. I listened to a feature on banks on CBC radio recently, and they mentioned Iceland, Ireland, Switzerland and USA as countries whose banks are in deep trouble. I think Swedish banks are doing very well, the IMF survey, which put Canadian banks No.1, put Swedish banks at No.2. But I don’t think Swiss banks are doing well at all, at least not according to the CBC report.

I have no idea how Swiss banks are doing to be honest. I guess my point is that you can't be happy that your banks are doing well... you are happy that they are doing better than America's.

True?
 

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Did anybody read the article in the latest Wired magazine, about Li and the formula that seduced the banks into rating CDO bundles? It's interesting reading.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I have no idea how Swiss banks are doing to be honest. I guess my point is that you can't be happy that your banks are doing well... you are happy that they are doing better than America's.

True?

EagleSmack, in a way you are right. If Canadian Banks are doing well in good economic times, that tells me nothing about whether they are well managed, efficient companies. When times are good, most companies do very well, rising tide lifts all the boats.

The test of whether a company is well managed, has sound fundamentals etc. comes when times are hard. Receding tide reveals everything in its ugliness. How does a company do when economy is in the tank, when most other companies are doing poorly?

Thus Canadian Banks were making profits when times were good, that doesn’t really mean much. But now that they are doing well when other banks are doing badly, when there is an economic meltdown going on, that tells me that Canadian banks are indeed well managed, efficient organizations,

So in a sense you are right. If a company is doing well when other companies are doing poorly, that is the real test of how good the company is.
 

SirJosephPorter

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What I found funny is that the other day there was a report that RBC is now worth more than Citibank in the US.


I can well believe that. Citibank stock has gone from over 50 $ to around 2$, it has lost more than 90% of its value. RBC is the biggest bank in Canada, it has dropped by about 45%, from 60 to 32..

If things keep going the way they are, RBC may even be bigger than GM some day, who knows.