Canada's Federal Election 2015: The Official Thread

JLM

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I doubt that and it doesn't really matter anyway, JLM. I have mentioned in the forum before that I was not happy with Mr Harper myself for many reasons. Am I glad he is gone, you betcha. It's the beating a dead horse thing that gets to me.

Harper stood for a lot of the things I'm for..................tough on crime, tough on terrorists, restraint on importing refugees and stimulating industry.
 

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Harper stood for a lot of the things I'm for..................tough on crime, tough on terrorists, restraint on importing refugees and stimulating industry.
i am always happy for different set of eyes,on these issues you have mentioned,i found the Conservatives were all mouth and no action,they may have been tough on these issues via speech,but in truth the Conservatives could not put their mouth into a action.
"wedge politics" is what this type of action is called here in rural politics.This is all the Conservatives have delivered,and within these wedge politics,evidence would state there was a lot of double speak,expectations and division in delivering the message.
actually i found the conservatives were so weak and disorientated on these issues,they would take these issues and find the weakest links of these dear issues and exploit them for political benifit rather then benifit for Canadians as a whole.Bullies i call the Conservatives,tough on crime?The Conservatives cannot even serve the organizations which fight crime,how could they possibly fight it?Conservatives find crime agendas theirs to manipulate with predetermined set agendas which promote crime,it is all confusing for the ignorant,the Conservatives purposeful participate in criminal behaviour through adminstered process's, so this tough on crime thing is bull ****.
i had the pleasure to do an information assessment about wedge politics in rural areas,and on conclusion was able to identify the mouth is more then predictable for agendas then actions in the rural areas of Canada,this assisting in leaving rural constituents divided and governed under old outdated attitudes and ways.
on a happy note,for the first time Conservative MP's will have to work for their Constituents,rather then the party, i am so interested in this strange concept i see myself approaching my ineffective MP to observe his response,this is going to be more then interesting to assess how MP's who have never worked on behalf of their constituents will have to,if anything it is always interesting to view how party policy is going to enable these possibilites.
the conservative party should thank me,as i am spreading the message for individuals to contact their MP,particulary if they have issues which correlate with conservative ideaologies,
i am hearing talk of a "firewall", i encourage these individuals to contact their MP to organize a more relevant and vocal movement.
In democracy we trust.

the conservatives cannot organize a garage sale never mind a clear line of management of Justice.
Conservatives ***** justice and everything which serves under Justice.
i cannot wait to place the Mayerthorpe 4 design as proof to these concepts,i wonder what canadians will see when I publish the findings of this case,i wonder what people who serve Justice thinks of this rue of manipulation of Justice.It's coming and it is coming soon,i am waiting on the dawson creek public inquiry.life is good!
 

davesmom

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A week of hearing people talk about their method of voting has brought me to the conclusion that Canada has the dumbest voters in the universe!
I didn't vote for Trudeau but I could have accepted his win graciously if it was an honest win.
It now seems to me that the whole country was not actually voting for Trudeau, they were voting AGAINST Harper.
'Strategic voting' I guess is what they call it. And that is dumb!
First of all I think people should vote FOR what they want, not against what they don't want.
Secondly, if people vote, not for the candidate of their choice, but for whomever they think will keep the other two parties down, that's not democracy.
Democracy as we know it here is picking the candidate you like and voting for him regardless of what the other leaders say, what the polls say or for any other reason than to get the one you pick elected. In doing that we get democracy.
If people had done that Trudeau might still have won but he would have won on his own merit, not just because another candidate lost.
I suppose it makes people feel very clever and highly intellectual to vote 'strategically', but all they are doing is shooting themselves in the foot.
Just my private thoughts!
 

JLM

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A week of hearing people talk about their method of voting has brought me to the conclusion that Canada has the dumbest voters in the universe!
I didn't vote for Trudeau but I could have accepted his win graciously if it was an honest win.
It now seems to me that the whole country was not actually voting for Trudeau, they were voting AGAINST Harper.
'Strategic voting' I guess is what they call it. And that is dumb!
First of all I think people should vote FOR what they want, not against what they don't want.
Secondly, if people vote, not for the candidate of their choice, but for whomever they think will keep the other two parties down, that's not democracy.
Democracy as we know it here is picking the candidate you like and voting for him regardless of what the other leaders say, what the polls say or for any other reason than to get the one you pick elected. In doing that we get democracy.
If people had done that Trudeau might still have won but he would have won on his own merit, not just because another candidate lost.
I suppose it makes people feel very clever and highly intellectual to vote 'strategically', but all they are doing is shooting themselves in the foot.
Just my private thoughts!

You're beating your head against the wall, if you check back through the posts you'll see I submitted an almost identical screed about two weeks ago. I don't think many listened then!
 

davesmom

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You're beating your head against the wall, if you check back through the posts you'll see I submitted an almost identical screed about two weeks ago. I don't think many listened then!



You're right. I'm just venting though.
I heard so many people in interviews say, "I wanted to vote for xxxxxx but I voted for xxxxx instead because......" I can't even imagine anybody being that silly! But a lot are! Too many.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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A week of hearing people talk about their method of voting has brought me to the conclusion that Canada has the dumbest voters in the universe!
I didn't vote for Trudeau but I could have accepted his win graciously if it was an honest win.
It now seems to me that the whole country was not actually voting for Trudeau, they were voting AGAINST Harper.
'Strategic voting' I guess is what they call it. And that is dumb!
First of all I think people should vote FOR what they want, not against what they don't want.
What a shame that democracy allows people to vote as they please.

Secondly, if people vote, not for the candidate of their choice, but for whomever they think will keep the other two parties down, that's not democracy.
It's not? It's only democracy if people vote in accordance with your opinion of what's right and wrong about the way they vote?

That doesn't sound like democracy to me.

But I ain't Old Stock, so maybe I'm missing something.
 

JLM

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You're right. I'm just venting though.
I heard so many people in interviews say, "I wanted to vote for xxxxxx but I voted for xxxxx instead because......" I can't even imagine anybody being that silly! But a lot are! Too many.

Yep, definitely a sign of crass ignorance- if you don't like someone don't vote for them, simple as that, playing games doesn't solve anything.
 

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Harper stood for a lot of the things I'm for..................tough on crime, tough on terrorists, restraint on importing refugees and stimulating industry.

I hear you JLM. I supported Mr Harper during his first term but things started to happen in his second that I did not agree with. His whole-hearted support of Israel did not sit well with me. Blindly following the US into wars that we should have stayed well clear of, is another. The Duffy scandal another - for a man that was known to micro-manage every little detail, the denial that he knew anything was yet another. His refusal to support and fund scientific research also really bothered me - what did he have to fear? I give the man his due for the good he did but it was time for him to go. JMO
 

JLM

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I hear you JLM. I supported Mr Harper during his first term but things started to happen in his second that I did not agree with. His whole-hearted support of Israel did not sit well with me. Blindly following the US into wars that we should have stayed well clear of, is another. The Duffy scandal another - for a man that was known to micro-manage every little detail, the denial that he knew anything was yet another. His refusal to support and fund scientific research also really bothered me - what did he have to fear? I give the man his due for the good he did but it was time for him to go. JMO

I've never followed Israel, they've been in conflict as long as I can remember. I did hear at one time the Israelis were the good guys and the Palestinians were the bad guys. Perhaps that has changed. As for following the U.S. into wars which on the surface I don't agree with BUT if we are ever attacked, we're dead meat unless the U.S. saves our hide. I'd feel comfortable being able to depend on that. I think the Duffy case is a no brainer, he was ripping off the taxpayer and it was time he was called on it. Harper had his chief of staff and I think he did the right thing turning it over to him. I'm not sure he was micro managing there. I think it would be smart on his part to know as little as possible about the matter. Don't get me wrong, I've never thought Harper was squeaky clean, but I do think he's generally done his level best for the tax payer. He's got 'rough edges" like the rest of us. I just hope it turns out he has more "rough edges" than Justin. We'll know shortly.
 

JLM

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Every day I take A, E, D, Calmagzinc, ASA, omega, C, Selenium, potassium, glucosamine, B100.

I hope you are getting that stuff out of the food you eat and not out of a jar! If I had my way I would ban all that crap off the drug store shelves, with the exception of possibly iron, calcium and vitamin D. You're just pouring money in A$$holes' pockets.:) :)

sounds like you are looking after your brain,so what is the problem?where do you live?how could you say such mean things about our new leader?

Well, Justin did admit to smoking pot- whether he's done enough to harm his brain remains to be seen. I just hope to Christ he's not going to go at things like a bull in a china shop and start "fixing" stuff that ain't broke. He definitely doesn't deserve ridicule but he does warrant watching. Possibly Harper was more cool, calm and collected.
 

davesmom

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What a shame that democracy allows people to vote as they please.



But I ain't Old Stock, so maybe I'm missing something.


Oh, that explains your attitude. Someday you will be old stock and maybe you will learn how important it is to vote for the candidate you like best.

I hear you JLM. I supported Mr Harper during his first term but things started to happen in his second that I did not agree with. His whole-hearted support of Israel did not sit well with me. Blindly following the US into wars that we should have stayed well clear of, is another. The Duffy scandal another - for a man that was known to micro-manage every little detail, the denial that he knew anything was yet another. His refusal to support and fund scientific research also really bothered me - what did he have to fear? I give the man his due for the good he did but it was time for him to go. JMO



I can respect ;your right to vote however ;you please. You don't like Harper, then don't vote for him. But I can't respect those who vote for somebody they don't like just to manipulate the election.

I've never followed Israel, they've been in conflict as long as I can remember. I did hear at one time the Israelis were the good guys and the Palestinians were the bad guys. Perhaps that has changed. As for following the U.S. into wars which on the surface I don't agree with BUT if we are ever attacked, we're dead meat unless the U.S. saves our hide. I'd feel comfortable being able to depend on that. I think the Duffy case is a no brainer, he was ripping off the taxpayer and it was time he was called on it. Harper had his chief of staff and I think he did the right thing turning it over to him. I'm not sure he was micro managing there. I think it would be smart on his part to know as little as possible about the matter. Don't get me wrong, I've never thought Harper was squeaky clean, but I do think he's generally done his level best for the tax payer. He's got 'rough edges" like the rest of us. I just hope it turns out he has more "rough edges" than Justin. We'll know shortly.



I don't think Harper 'micro managed' as much as he was accused of. He delegated more than people know and those he delegated and trusted to do their jobs betrayed him. Maybe he should have micro managed more than he did!
 

JLM

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I hear you JLM. I supported Mr Harper during his first term but things started to happen in his second that I did not agree with. His whole-hearted support of Israel did not sit well with me. Blindly following the US into wars that we should have stayed well clear of, is another. The Duffy scandal another - for a man that was known to micro-manage every little detail, the denial that he knew anything was yet another. His refusal to support and fund scientific research also really bothered me - what did he have to fear? I give the man his due for the good he did but it was time for him to go. JMO

Possibly fund availability wasn't compatible with Mr. Harper's philosophy. The P.M. can't always make his own rules, especially when he's not holding the purse strings!

I don't think Harper 'micro managed' as much as he was accused of. He delegated more than people know and those he delegated and trusted to do their jobs betrayed him. Maybe he should have micro managed more than he did!

Possibly a lot of truth there methinks!
 

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I hear you JLM. I supported Mr Harper during his first term but things started to happen in his second that I did not agree with. His whole-hearted support of Israel did not sit well with me. Blindly following the US into wars that we should have stayed well clear of, is another. The Duffy scandal another - for a man that was known to micro-manage every little detail, the denial that he knew anything was yet another. His refusal to support and fund scientific research also really bothered me - what did he have to fear? I give the man his due for the good he did but it was time for him to go. JMO

I agree with you on the Duffy thing, but I totally supported Harper on Israel. It's like how you'd totally support Churchill over Hitler.