Canada to vote against UN resolution for natives
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Like I said, our First Nations are living under the effects of generations of abuse and neglect, blaming them for those effects is heartless.
A lot is made of lack of motivation and poor social structure in native communities, which is understandable when you take into account how much effort has gone into eradicating their traditions and culture.
More money isn't neccessarily going to be the answer, I think a lot of the problem is a historic lack of respect for natives and their culture. I'm proud of all that First Nations have given to this country and what they contribute now and it angers me when some still try to deny them their rightful place.
This is just more of that tradition of disrespect of Canadas first people.
Yah, there is and it's called racism. Native people face discrimination that no other group in this country have to deal with. Hell look at who a lot of the victims of that sick **** Pickton were and the police sat on their asses for almost two decades before finally clueing in they might have a serial killer at work.
Pickton was an equal opportunity killer. There are better examples of police neglecting to act about violence against native women out there. If you want to experience racism first hand,try living with a native and see how her people treat you. Better yet,why don't you go for an overnight camping trip on a reserve,bring along a woman if you can find one to accompany you. Then come back and tell us all about racism.
I'm surrounded by reserves, if I wasn't comfortable with First Nations people I wouldn't live here. I'm sorry for your experience, but you can't judge an entire people due to the behaviour of a few assholes.
And it's not just Pickton, native women are being preyed on all over the country. Native women have gone missing on the Highway of Tears between Prince George and Prince Rupert, Edmonton has had it's share of murdered native women and now they're starting to show up left in the same area of Saskatoon. The cops there also used to take native men for midnight rides out of town leaving them stranded and some froze to death in the dead of winter. No other group is treated with the contempt that First Nations are.
It isn't just a few assholes,it is a CULTURE of assholes and those who enable.It is a CULTURE of victimhood that starts at the top. Next time Fontaine speaks about his people's plight, listen to how many times he talks about solutions and compare it to his talk about redressing the wrongs of the past. He wants money for education,but never tells his people to get educated.He talks about living together in harmony,but never mentions that he lives with a white woman,because he will never get elected again if his people know that. Don't apologize for my experience,I am an adult and can do that myself if necessary and I won't apologize for you being raised to be a martyr for other people's shortcomings. Good try on changing your position on Pickton to agree with mine,that is not what you meant in the previous post. And for the Saskatoon incident ,the cops were railroaded by a system that depends on finding racism to justify thier gov't money and existence. It is now coming out that the testimony that prompted the case was extracted by social workers from a poor downtrodden addled native. If you are treated with contempt,look in the mirror first before you point a finger at others. As chief louie says "if your life sucks,it is because you suck".
Sounds like your just claiming victimhood Wally J
Sounds like your probably from a CULTURE of victimhood, complaining about how good minorities have it compared to you, but never actually going out and doing things for yourself.
You shouldn't throw stones from inside your little glass house.
Sounds like your probably from a CULTURE of victimhood, complaining about how good minorities have it compared to you, but never actually going out and doing things for yourself.
You shouldn't throw stones from inside your little glass house.
Like I've said there's no other group that's lived through what our First Nations have and the amazing thing is they're still trying to live as positively as possible despite the efforts of people like you to hold them trapped in the cycle of abuse that has dominated their lives for far too long.
And don't tell me to look in the mirror when your posts come pretty damn close to hate literature, Canada is better than people like you and our laws reflect it.
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There our tons of groups that have lived through worse. Our natives recieve more than any other group in Canada,and spit back at us.I am not complaining about my lot in life ,I am quite happy and have worked for everything I have.You say they are trying to live as positively as possible,well some are but many do not. Go visit a reserve for a while,and I don't mean stopping at a gift shop to buy a turquoise trinket.....I did not mean for you to look in the mirror ,it was meant for the native leaders. Take a trip to the Brantford area and look around for a real eye-opener.As for the hate literature,if you think so send this to the cops or any educated native and see what they think. I know of one on this forum that shows up occasionally and he agrees with me most of the time. Canada would be a lot better if our natives educated themselves and esp. the next generation instead of pretending it is the 1800's and they can live off the land.
First Nations culture is heavily based on family - clan. What we, as a European-based society, can't understand is the nepotism. If your clan isn't in with the people in power, you lose. That's it. Your turn comes if you win the power next Counsel.
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European culture is also based on rank and money - things that meant nothing to the First Peoples. Yeah, cultures change. Why haven't Europeans adapted?
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I daresay the bent on helping one's extended family can be found to be pretty closely related to the level of overpopulation in the region, probably with a time-delay of a few generations.
In which case, game either came from a little farther from home - or home moved to the game.
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The "Indian Act" in 1876 basically made the natives wards of the state. This meant if they couldn't take care of themselves, the government would. It was a racist document that the natives had no say in. Putting a whole people on the dole permanently was the worst thing we could have done. A lot of initiative was bred out of these people by government hand-outs....not to mention the diseases they got from us. I don't know what the answer is but at some point the natives are going to take charge of their own lives and their own future.
1.) Native peoples (some cultures, not all) had money and rank. Currency is not an alien concept nor are ranks, religious wars and conversion by spear tip, urban sprawl (There were many Native cities), genocidal campaigns and racial hatred.
Just like everywhere people exist.
2.) "European" culture has adapted. Notice how no one shoots foreigners for sport? Kills Heretics? Keep Slaves? Encourages egalitarian democracy, gives women equal rights.. etc etc
Meanwhile many North American cultures refuse to adapt and make the same types of changes they should.
The most notable are the Seminole in the USA who refuse to grant tribal membership to their ex-slaves descendants. Their ancestors were part of the tribe, fought for them and were sent on the trail of tears with them.
That a native tribe can say its slaves descendants don't deserve to be part of their culture is like saying the descendants of the slaves of white plantation owners don't deserve American citizenship.
Really, what it boils down to is I empathize with the Old Ones for a way of life they have lost. They have gone to be with ancestors, so what have they lost? Times have changed. I empathize with the keepers of Legends for what have they lost? They have their Grandfathers' memories and dreams on yesterdays. One cannot lose that which was never actually there. As a people, the culture deserves to be recognized, and what can be of a way of life preserved. Thing is - nobody can have it both ways.
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Wow.thee are some of you that can actually comprehend what I write. There is fault on both sides. Racism was rampant 2 and more generations ago,just like the blacks in the states experienced ,only they are one group that experienced worse.They have made great strides forward. How did they do it? Self-reliance,pride,looking to the future and above all,EDUCATION. Now,cobalt and zzarchov,am I still writing borderline hate literature? Are my postings bizarre and deluded? Or possibly,due to the fact that I have experienced more interaction with natives than 95% of the white population,is it possible that I have thier best interests at heart? I have been there,my thoughts come from empirical knowledge,not from what Hollywood or CBC show me.
Ya, I spent many years next to Tyendinaga.
Natives are just people, and some of them are poor. They aren't any lazier than white people. White Trash isn't a term of endearment coined due to the overarching spirit of success you imply is found in all white people.
Everybody has lazy welfare bums in their mix and everyone has people who make something of themselves.
Natives are just people, and some of them are poor. They aren't any lazier than white people. White Trash isn't a term of endearment coined due to the overarching spirit of success you imply is found in all white people.
Everybody has lazy welfare bums in their mix and everyone has people who make something of themselves.
Spending years next to something is not the same as being in there with them. I spent many years living next to a golf course,does that mean that I am an authority on golf? Of course not.... Have you been in court with them? Have you watched the carefree spirit of a child crushed by thier hate for white society? Have you had a child ask you" Why does everyone hate you?. And instead of replying that they are ignorant,you remain silent for that child's sake. As I said earlier,I have been there,if you want to speak about injustice and solutions,go there yourself. Do not rely on what the media gives you,they do not want to offend anyone.I will. Google chief louie ,and listen to what he has to say about victimhood and his people.