Canada Stands Alone On Anti-abortion

TenPenny

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abortion is murder.

if you don't want to run the risk of getting pregnant, don't have sex. That would be the intelligent, and responsible thing to do.

Killing an innocent human for your own irresponsibility, again, is murder.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion.
 

SirJosephPorter

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You are an entity, I am an entity a fetus is an entity, for one entity to take it upon him/herself to change the status of another entity is presumptuous to say the least. Some people have more respect for their dog than you do for a fetus.

Chair is an entity, a cow is an entity, a snake is an entity. So what is your point? Did you just now make up a rule that one entity cannot take another entity's life? I suppose that means you are a vegetarian? After, all, chicken, cow, lobster, these are entities. You wouldn't want to take their life, would you?

And you are right, I have no respect for a fetus. Why should I? A fetus is useful only in the sense that it has the potential to develop into human life. If mother decides to deny that potential, then fetus is simply medical waste.
 
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SirJosephPorter

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You are just so ignorant, I have no more problem with being called a Conservative than I do being called a Liberal. So one week I'm a Conservative and the next week I'm a Liberal

Oh, I don't think there is any danger that anybody would call you a liberal, JLM (any more than Harper would be called a liberal).
 

SirJosephPorter

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Is that the best you can do? Because in this case he is correct.

The best that you can do? I think that is good enough. Abortion is murder is a religious view, it has no scientific backing. There is no scientific evidence that life begins at conception.
 

Bar Sinister

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I'm definitely against abortion, except in the case of rape. I also think that there should be an acception for teen Mothers. Of course, they shouldn't even be getting pregnant in the first place, so they wouldn't even have to consider abortion as a possibility. All in all, it's hard to completely go against abortion.

I assume you meant exception not acception (whatever that might mean).
Teen pregnancies used to be the norm prior to the 20th century. Do you really mean unmarried teen pregnancies?
And what teens are you taking about - girls of 13 or women of 19?
You are right it is hard to go against abortion. It is the only 100% certain form of birth control.
 

gerryh

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I assume you meant exception not acception (whatever that might mean).
Teen pregnancies used to be the norm prior to the 20th century. Do you really mean unmarried teen pregnancies?
And what teens are you taking about - girls of 13 or women of 19?
You are right it is hard to go against abortion. It is the only 100% certain form of birth control.

Abstinence is not a 100% certain form of birth control?
 

Bar Sinister

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Abstinence is not a 100% certain form of birth control?

I was thinking of abortion as a method of birth control since that was the post I was replying to. However, provided that people can be convinced to practice abstinence, it works just fine. The problem is that experience suggests that abstinence rarely seems to work even for those who advocate it. Abortion never fails.
 

CDNBear

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And the liberal philosophy has been perverted into socialism....and the know-it-all doctrine....you can't have a dialogue with people like that...they look down at anyone that disagrees...
Yep, and I'm guilty of it as much as you are too...;-)...sometimes...:lol:

Chair is an entity, a cow is an entity, a snake is an entity. So what is your point?
Respecting life isn't a religious choice, it's a personal choice. If you didn't allow doctrine to rule your thinking, you would be capable of making your own choices. Unfortunately, you haven't reached that level of personal maturity.

Did you just now make up a rule that one entity cannot take another entity's life?
I doubt he did. People oft come to the realization that one should respect life as they gain maturity.

I suppose that means you are a vegetarian?
Vegetarian is a Native word, for Warrior who can't hunt. Respecting the source of sustenance, has nothing to do with indiscriminately taking a life.

After, all, chicken, cow, lobster, these are entities. You wouldn't want to take their life, would you?
To support another, yes. That is respect. Of which I am sure to you, is as foreign a concept as maturing.

The best that you can do? I think that is good enough. Abortion is murder is a religious view, it has no scientific backing. There is no scientific evidence that life begins at conception.
That's pretty funny...

I know you accept wikipedia, you use it often enough, so here you go...

The cell is the functional basic unit of life. It was discovered by Robert Hooke and is the functional unit of all known living organisms. It is the smallest unit of life that is classified as a living thing, and is often called the building block of life.
Cell (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is a moving amoeba living?
Yes.

I'm just curious where are all the fathers in this matter?
Right here.
 

CDNBear

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Appears so!
Quite.

Here's the issue. Abortion was once illegal, it was seen as murder and the laws were based on morality, which of course in the west comes from a Christian foundation.

It mattered not that a young women out of wedlock with child, was ostracized, shunned and otherwise cast out of society of the day. Nor did it matter that she may have been the victim of rape, incest or any other manner of forced insemination. Furthermore, her health was not even a consideration.

This of course is an extreme.

That extreme led to a rising mortality rate due to back alley abortions, botched home abortions and young women not in the best of health, forced to carry to term.

Something had to be done.

Along came the pro choice movement. And we ended up going from one extreme to another. Thus removing the responsibility of the women. This is where I take issue.

I'm not religious, and no one can claim I'm a Christian by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, I hunt, I trained to kill things and I have a healthy opinion on the fact that taking a life is justifiable.

But I still respect it.

God didn't tell me life begins at inception, facts and my own perception of them did.

I wouldn't shoot a Doe, nursing a foal. I wouldn't shoot a foal, nursing from a Doe. That's my personally developed morality.

My wife and I have two boys, our first born was a "surprise", but we didn't terminate, even though at the time, I was in the Army, I was not, by my own admission, in a reasonable place both mentally and financially to be a father. But we didn't terminate, we endured.

She got pregnant again, and was diagnosed with a tubular pregnancy, and there was no choice.

Then along came Kooter, my youngest and the only child I have that was planned, lol.

Were the former choices we made with God in our hearts? Absolutely not. Those were choices we made with a reasoned respect for life. In both cases. Whether or not the cellular growth within the woman is scientifically considered a "life" or not is irrelevant (although I think there is case for it to be considered life scientifically). It is to my estimation, a life, therefore worthy my respect. And on the other side of the coin, a woman is obviously a life, and she to is worthy my respect. Thus it is not my place to say how she control her body. End of debate.

Which is why I fully support choice. What I do not support is, the use of abortion as a retroactive form of birth control, for the perpetually stupid. That is the furthest end of the extreme.

Given the fact that there are beyond numerous organizations out there, that cater to the young. In regards to safe sex and all. In this day and age, there is no excuse for it.

There is however a Christian moral element, that is forever obstructing the deliverance of information and the availability of protection to the young.

And to be honest, I don't think they have the wherewithal to see they are the harbingers of their own issues.
 
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