Canada says F-35s cost $14 B; Norway says they cost $40 B

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KELOWNA — Proceeding with the decision to sole source F-35 fighter jets for the Royal Canadian Air Force is irresponsible and flies in the face of fiscal conservatism. Currently, we are waiting for the results from a special panel of “experts” commissioned by the Harper government’s National Fighter Procurement Secretariat.


The media is reporting it’s highly likely that this panel will recommend the government proceed with its sole sourcing of the F-35 as recommended by the Department of national Defence to Public Works and Government Services Canada. This decision was originally justified with an infamous 160-word memo that preceded a complete statement of “Canadian” operational requirements.


The facts: The F-35 is already seven years behind schedule and is many billions of dollars over budget. The United States Director of Operational Test and Evaluation report indicates significant technical problems with the aircraft’s software and other aircraft systems.
To keep the project moving, several performance requirements have been reduced to below the minimum acceptable as originally demanded by the Joint Operations Requirements Document.


A technical discussion on the performance merits of the F-35 contains a multitude of forward-looking statements by the manufacturer that time has shown to be significantly less impressive than promised. There is a high probability that this “expert” panel continued to compare these forward-looking statements against competitor “unclassified” information.


This rationale would yield the results the Harper government needed to vindicate its original sole source decision, a decision and process highly criticized by the Auditor General. Like they say, garbage in garbage out.


The F-35 is the CF-18 replacement option that integrates most poorly into our Canadian infrastructure. It is the only choice that comes with no guaranteed industrial regional benefits. The memorandum of understanding Canada signed does not commit us to purchasing the aircraft but does permit Canada to compete for work throughout the project and we have to pay more than $700 million to the manufacture over several phases just to compete.


To date, reports indicate we have received less in benefit than we have committed to be a partner of the program that builds this single-engine video game.


So, where are we? Whether one denies the technical realities of the F-35 is irrelevant, the real questions are these:


Is it wise to contractually attach ourselves to a program of significant technical and financial risk?


Should we conclude that if we don’t buy this troubled and costly F-35 that we will be shunned or excluded by our coalition partners?


To believe that is to believe some of NATO’s biggest partners — France and Germany — will also be irrelevant, since neither is getting involved in this mess.


The Harper government initially tried to sell us on the idea that the F-35 program would cost us $14.7 billion. Since then, the Parliamentary Budget Officer estimated a cost of nearly $30 billon and a KPMG estimated $46 billion. The number grew every time someone looked at it.


Interestingly, the KPMG report admits spare aircraft were not costed. My opinion, as a former CF-18 pilot and operational fleet manager for the Canadian Forces, is that infrastructure costs are woefully underestimated.


Recently, the Rideau Institute released a paper by University of B.C. professor Michael Byers, who estimated a total program cost of $126 billion.


The truth is the government has no idea what the F-35 program will cost Canada. What we do know is that there is far more evidence to support a technically troubled and unaffordable F-35 than an affordable one.


Since the F-35 cannot deliver the capability it promised on time and on budget, the time has come to seriously evaluate other alternatives. A new statement of operational requirements focused on our defence priorities is a great place to start.


A competition of demonstrated performance, industrial benefit and price gets a ticket to the dance.


If we have the courage to think for ourselves, alternatives to the F-35 exist. We cannot afford to get this wrong.





Stephen Fuhr: The F-35 is totally unaffordable and can’t do what was promised | The Province
 

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The F-35 as bought by the U.S. Navy is a lot more expensive than the aircraft Canada is considering buying. The F-35 can be had as a vertical take-off and landing fighter or it can be bought with without that feature for about thirty five percent less. By the time our current government gets ready to make a decision, they may not be available. Why is it so obvious that the Super Hornet is the one to buy?
 

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Canada is a full disclosure country. We will repair and maintain all parts of our aircraft. That must provide some sort of savings just like it does for CF18s.
 

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US grounds entire F-35 fighter jet fleet after unexplained fire







The US military said it had grounded its entire fleet of 97 Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter jets pending further inspection of the warplane's single Pratt & Whitney engine.


The Pentagon's F-35 program office, air force and navy issued directives on Thursday ordering the suspension of all F-35 flights after a fire on an air force F-35A jet at Eglin air force base in Florida on 23 June, according to statements by the Pentagon and the F-35 program office.


The Pentagon said US and industry officials had not pinpointed the cause of the fire, which occurred as a pilot was preparing for takeoff. The pilot was not injured.




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Canada’s second thoughts on F-35 Lightning show concerns about plane’s high cost








Many thought that by now Canada would have decided whether to buy the planes — a move that would help drive down costs in the nearly $400 billion program — or instead force the plane’s manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, to compete for its business. But it’s now unclear when that will happen.


Some fear that if nations such as Canada balk, there could be questions about the long-term affordability of the program. Meanwhile, Boeing, one of Lockheed Martin’s fiercest competitors, has pounced on what it sees as an opportunity in Canada and other countries to tout its F/A-18 Super Hornet as a proven, affordable alternative.


Facing budget constraints, Italy and the Netherlands have already curtailed the number of F-35s they said they plan to buy. Denmark is holding a competition that would pit the F-35 against other fighters. Meanwhile, the production line at Lockheed Martin’s Fort Worth plant has been limited to a little over 30 the past two years, as tightened U.S. budgets and technical problems have forced the Pentagon to significantly slow its procurement as well.


It initially appeared as if Canada was definitely going to buy. Defense officials praised the F-35’s speed and stealth. At a news conference announcing the purchase to buy 65 F-35s in 2010, then-Defense Minister Peter MacKay called it “the best that we can provide our men and women in uniform.”


But two years later, the government put the acquisition on hold after an auditor general’s report suggested the government misled Parliament, saying that key costs over the course of the fleet’s life were much higher than previously stated.




Liberals attacked the conservative government. John McKay, a member of Parliament, called it “deceit and incompetence at the highest levels.” Another member, Ralph Goodale, wrote that the “F-35 fiasco exposes dishonesty and incompetence.”


As a result, the Harper administration, while denying it misled Parliament, put the purchase on hold and appointed a National Fighter Procurement Secretariat to ensure the Canadian military acquires the right plane.


But Goodale thinks that the government will put off any decision until after the upcoming elections. “This is a hot potato for them,” he said. “Their process up to now has been terribly flawed, and they have very little public support for how they’ve gone about this.”




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Canada’s second thoughts on F-35 Lightning show concerns about plane’s high cost - The Washington Post




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Probably because the ones sent to Norway have the needed spare parts and Canada gets them on need immediate needs.
 

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I think we've given up of the F-35

Ottawa officially scraps F-35 purchase as audit pegs costs at $45-billion



My choice would be the Eurofighter Typhoon at less than half the price.
 
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Good, total waste of money.


It's like some dude buying a first model of a car without a test drive.


You don't do it, unless you're dumb or don't care about the money you spend.
 

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You'd think that CONS who yap about competition in all matters of business, particularly labour would be the first ones to not screw taxpayers with Sole Source purchases..........














Prime Minister Stephen Harper settled a dispute between Treasury Board and the Defence Department to approve an $800-million, sole-source purchase of next-generation Sea Sparrow missiles for the Royal Canadian Navy’s aging frigates, sources familiar with the situation say.


The decision was taken early this week following a written request earlier this month by three ministers — Industry Minister James Moore, Defence Minister Rob Nicholson and Public Works Minister Diane Finley — that won out over the objections of Treasury Board president Tony Clement, sources say.


The Sea Sparrow is built by U.S.-based Raytheon. The next-generation version, the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile, is distinct from the existing, older version in that it is “smart,” and can be guided while in flight.


The upshot, if the decision stands, is that the Lockheed-Martin Raytheon group, which is vying for billions in contracts in the building of systems for Canada’s soon-to-be-built new navy, will once again have the inside track in a major defence procurement, with no competitive bidding process, as occurred in the F-35 affair. The F-35 is made by Lockheed-Martin.




The Sea Sparrow purchase would also give Raytheon-Lockheed an edge in billions worth of sub-contracts in the $26-billion national naval building project now underway, sources say, because its updated missiles could also be used on the new vessels.


“It’s identical to the F-35 consortium,” said a defence industry source, referring to the Sea Sparrow consortium, of which Canada is a member. “It’s a move by the United States again to try to keep people within their orbit.”


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Are Tories fast-tracking the F-35 decision?






Love them or hate them, you have to concede one thing to the Harper Conservatives. They are persistent. Some might say stubborn or high-handed, even when wrong-headed. Once they have embarked on a course, they do not let themselves be deflected — not by public opinion, not by the courts, not by Parliament, not by expert opinion and certainly not by common sense.

The long drawn-out saga of the F-35 fighter aircraft is an example of the Conservatives' refusal to heed both expert opinion and common sense. They have been committed to the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning, the most expensive warplane in history, ever since they took office in 2006. In 2012 — faced with production delays, performance issues and soaring costs (from an original estimate of $16 billion over the lifetime of 65 aircraft to a revised projection of $45 billion) — the government ordered a review.

No one outside the government knows what the review, conducted in secret, involved. Did it look seriously at other (and cheaper) aircraft from other manufacturers? Did it assess whether the F-35 actually meets Canada's military requirements? (And what, by the way, are those requirements? Maybe the Canadian public would like to know.)

Did the review even consider the pilot-safety issue that would inevitably arise if the single-engine F-35 were deployed to patrol the vast distances across the Far North and along Canada's coastlines?

We don't know these things because the Conservatives haven't told us. But the review must have endorsed the F-35 because it found its way back to the cabinet agenda this past spring for a decision. In June, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, apparently not satisfied he could make a convincing case to the public, bought some time by removing the item from the agenda.

The government bought some more time in September by deciding to spend unannounced millions to extend until 2025 the life of the CF-18, the 30-year-old twin-engine warplane that the F-35 is meant to replace.

These moves seemed to suggest that the Tories were punting a final F-35 purchase decision until after the federal election, scheduled for October 2015.

But things are not always what they seem to be in the worlds of politics and weapons acquisition. Last week, Canadians learned, courtesy of a leak from the U.S. Pentagon, that Ottawa is proposing to fast-track its acquisition of F-35s. (Why Canadians have to learn about important issues, anything from drug safety to military purchases, from the Americans rather than from their own government is an interesting question. But I digress.)

According to the leaked Pentagon briefing, Ottawa plans to send a letter of intent to Washington this month confirming that Canada will place an order for at least four F-35s by the end of this fiscal year (next March 31). The deal is this: the U.S. air force has four places on the F-35 production schedule for aircraft to be delivered in 2016 or 2017. The RCAF would take those positions, and use those four aircraft for pilot training; in return the USAF would take four slots that are earmarked for Canada on the 2019 delivery schedule.

If, as we are told, no final decision has been made to buy F-35s, why the rush to order them?

A cynic might suggest it has something to do with the polls. According to EKOS Research, concern about public safety, in the wake of terrorism-linked incidents in Ottawa and Quebec, has boosted the Conservatives' standing as they rose from 12 points behind the Liberals a month earlier to just three points down today.

That movement was enough to cause Frank Graves, president of EKOS, to speculate that Harper might find it expedient to ignore the fixed-election law again and call a snap early election. In this scenario, a multibillion dollar military purchase, plus a tough-on-crime domestic agenda, might be the ticket to re-elect the Tories. Or is this far too cynical?
 

tay

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No, the previous govt tried to downplay the cost to Canadians but got outed on it.


I must say the video does ring the right bells for Canada........
 

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No, the previous govt tried to downplay the cost to Canadians but got outed on it.


I must say the video does ring the right bells for Canada........

People that b!tch about the cost having jets have obviously no intention of climbing into a 35 year old jet fighter and putting it through its paces. But then why doesn't this surprise me. These are the same folks who think America will protect us while b!tching about, America.
 

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People that b!tch about the cost having jets have obviously no intention of climbing into a 35 year old jet fighter and putting it through its paces. But then why doesn't this surprise me. These are the same folks who think America will protect us while b!tching about, America.


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