Canada is too dangerous for Dick Cheney

[petros]

Hmmm, I'll take that as a yes then.

I never said they weren't. I just pointed out that they were using evidence, from a reliable ally.

I know that doesn't bode well with the anti American crowd.

Hmmm, I'll take that as a yes then.

You're taking it all right. I know you are not stupid enough to believe an entire war hinged on the unconfirmed ramblings of a disgruntled former engineer.

He had it all did he? Locations, quantities, methods of manufacture and all was 100% confirmed by American intelligence prior to invasion.

 

[CDNBear]

You're taking it all right. I know you are not stupid enough to believe an entire war hinged on the unconfirmed ramblings of a disgruntled former engineer.

Never said it did.

The Germans believed him, the intel they forwarded to the US, was obviously believed.

He had it all did he? Locations, quantities, methods of manufacture and all was 100% confirmed by American intelligence prior to invasion.

He had enough to get the Germans and the Americans all hot and bothered.

I never said the US did the right thing.

 

[petros]

Never said it did.

The Germans believed him, the intel they forwarded to the US, was obviously believed.

He had enough to get the Germans and the Americans all hot and bothered.

I never said the US did the right thing.

No he didn't have enough to get anyone "hot and bothered". He was one man who ran ONE facility years prior.

Got any better excuses?

 

[CDNBear]

No he didn't have enough to get anyone "hot and bothered".

LOL...

Got any better excuses?

I'd would have had to put forward an excuse, to put forward a better one.

 

[petros]

GULLIBLE

 

[CDNBear]

GULLIBLE

So you're saying his testimony wasn't forwarded from the Germans, to the US and used to bolster the start of a war in Iraq?

Interesting.

 

[petros]

It's Germanys fault the US USED Janabi's bull**** to shore up their bull****? Sounds like bull****.

 

[CDNBear]

It's Germanys fault the US USED Janabi's bull**** to shore up their bull****? Sounds like bull****.

They most certainly have a share of the blame.

I mean we see the US labeled continuously, for making it all up.

The US obviously had intel, they found credible. Some, which was deemed compelling, supplied by the Germans.

I haven't said it was legit, true or anything to that fact.

I just like pointing out the things the Usual Suspects keep ignoring in their strive for anti American excellence. You can try and reinterpret that anyway you like. I find it funny.

 

[petros]

They most certainly have a share of the blame.

I mean we see the US labeled continuously, for making it all up.

The US obviously had intel, they found credible. Some, which was deemed compelling, supplied by the Germans.

I haven't said it was legit, true or anything to that fact.

I just like pointing out the things the Usual Suspects keep ignoring in their strive for anti American excellence. You can try and reinterpret that anyway you like. I find it funny.

"Our position was always: (Curveball) might be right, but he might not be right. He could be a liar but he could be telling the truth,"
German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer

Germany sent information derived from Alwan to the United States at the CIA's request, Fischer said. However, Berlin's intelligence chief at the time also sent a letter to the U.S. intelligence agency addressing potential issues with the source, he added (Helen Pidd, London Guardian I, Feb. 17).

 

[Tonington]

The US obviously had intel, they found credible. Some, which was deemed compelling, supplied by the Germans.

I don't think the intelligence community was convinced, but that doesn't matter when politicians get involved.

As it turned out, Powell was not told that one of the sources for the information — “Curveball" — had been flagged by the Defense Intelligence Agency as suspect and untrustworthy.
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Tyler Drumheller, the former head of the CIA in Europe, said Curveball's admission made him feel better about himself.

Drumheller, who says he warned his superiors at the CIA before the 2003 invasion that Curveball might be a liar, said the confession would be a final wake-up call for those who continue to insist there had been weapons of mass destruction.

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'Curveball': I lied about WMD to hasten Iraq war - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

 

[CDNBear]

"Our position was always: (Curveball) might be right, but he might not be right. He could be a liar but he could be telling the truth,"
German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer

Germany sent information derived from Alwan to the United States at the CIA's request, Fischer said. However, Berlin's intelligence chief at the time also sent a letter to the U.S. intelligence agency addressing potential issues with the source, he added (Helen Pidd, London Guardian I, Feb. 17).

LOL...

Your selective captioning is funny.

Speaking of gullible. So who do we believe?

Tenet or Fischer?

I can see why in hindsight, both would lie through their eye teeth.

 

[petros]

The German caveat "we think he might be bull****ting" says plenty about what was "deemed compelling" by CIA/DIA.

Who ran with it anyway? Germany or America?

 

[CDNBear]

I don't think the intelligence community was convinced, but that doesn't matter when politicians get involved.

No doubt. But that doesn't negate the fact that the Germans were supplying intel, that bolstered the war hawks.

The German caveat "we think he might be bull****ting" says plenty about what was "deemed compelling" by CIA/DIA.

Like I said, claims made in hindsight, really aren't all that convincing.

Who ran with it anyway? Germany or America?

Both, the Germans set to confirm it. The US used it to bolster their position on a war with Iraq.

 

[petros]

Let's get this right. Germans ran to US going "OMG OMG they have WMDs here is the proof" or US REQUESTED info the Germans said "just might be bull****" and ran with it?

 

[Liberalman]

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Not going to buy into your red agaisnt blue crap! I just don't differentiate them to the same extent as you apparently need to.

Please re-read my post and pay particular attention to the part where I refer to the "government of the day" with no specific party mentioned.

I'm sorry but I don't see one iota of difference between ANY of them and have complete faith that were it in the interests of a Liberal government to kiss ass at any particular time they'd grab their ankles just as quickly as a Conservative, NDP or Bloc for that matter!

Any one of them, from Bobby Rae to the useless maroon running the NDP at this moment would sell their soul and yours if it advanced their little ego-driven power trip. NONE of these parties maintains a party platform with any integrity in todays clusterflop that passes for Canadian politics.

I can see what you are saying but for me I got to identify the party just so that when I am in the voting booth I don’t mistakenly vote the pr!cks back into office that gave me the most agro.

Throughout my voting life I went for the Liberals mostly and the Progressive Conservatives when John Turner took over but the NDP never struck me as a party that would ever form the federal government.

Next week we will see whom the NDP will elect as leader and later the Liberals will do the same.

Right now we have an iron fisted Conservative federal government and yes I have to identify the party so bare with me, that the inner circle runs the party and makes sure that the Prime Minister stays in line and I say that because of what happened Stockwell Day who went off party line or gave his opinion too often and got kicked out of the leadership position.
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[CDNBear]

Let's get this right. Germans ran to US going "OMG OMG they have WMDs here is the proof" or US REQUESTED info the Germans said "just might be bull****" and ran with it?

I was already aware of the fact that you don't read the links you post.

 

[petros]

It's your link that says the US REQUESTED info from Germany and not Germany going to he US with information.

Comprhension issues?

 

[CDNBear]

It's your link that says the US REQUESTED info from Germany and not Germany going to he US with information.

LOL, I posted a link to a Google search. You should read the link you selectively quoted, and posted.

Comprhension issues?

Why are you asking me, they're your issues.

 

[petros]

My link? This one? Curveball doubts were shared with CIA, says ex-German foreign minister | World news | guardian.co.uk

Fischer said Germany was put in a "very difficult position" when the CIA asked whether they could "have" Curveball, or at least use his evidence to justify a war in Iraq. Germany's official position was that it would not join the coalition of the willing. Fischer himself famously told Donald Rumsfeld in February 2003 that he was "not convinced" about the case for war.

"On the one hand we didn't want to withhold from the US any bit of relevant information we had about possible WMD in Iraq. On the other hand, we did not want to take part in any propagandistic exploitation of material, which was far from proven, to justify a war," Fischer writes in his new autobiography, I Am Not Convinced.

You stil believe Germany ran to the US with Janabi's tall tales and this is what the US based their invasion on?

 

[CDNBear]

My link? This one? Curveball doubts were shared with CIA, says ex-German foreign minister | World news | guardian.co.uk

You stil believe Germany ran to the US with Janabi's tall tales and this is what the US based their invasion on?

LOL, your comprehension issues are impeding your judgment dude.

Read what you just posted again...

Oh forget it, let me point out the parts that you seem to be having difficulty with...

Fischer said Germany was put in a "very difficult position" when the CIA asked whether they could "have" Curveball, or at least use his evidence to justify a war in Iraq. Germany's official position was that it would not join the coalition of the willing. Fischer himself famously told Donald Rumsfeld in February 2003 that he was "not convinced" about the case for war.

Those two statements, are separated by a coma. How did the US know the Germans had "Curveball", and evidence they could use?

Try using deductive reasoning here. It will really help you along.