Canada Bashers Double Standard

FiveParadox

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I would agree that Section 7 could be a basis for the Canada Health Act to be challenged; however, I wonder how the Courts would balance the rights under Section 7 with the deliminiting nature of not only the language in the Section itself, but with the nature of Section 1.
 

FiveParadox

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My knowledge of the justice system would lead me to believe that when the Supreme Court of Canada rules on appellate matters from the supreme or superior court of a province, that the result thereof would be binding in that province exclusively.

Or, perhaps more accurately it would be because in this case, those fighting for private insurance were fighting a case against Her Majesty in right of Québec, rather than Her Majesty in right of Canada.
 

I think not

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Gotcha, well there you have it, a precedence has been set. Denying the right of a Canadian citizen to choose between private and public health care is unconstitutional.
 

mabudon

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RE: Canada Bashers Double

Quebec Law is slightly different than that of the other provinces generally tho, isn't it?? precedent in Quebec doesn't necessarily mean Canada-wide traditionally at least
 

I think not

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Here's another link.

'The end of medicare as we know it'

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation applauded the Supreme Court's decision, saying it will encourage people in other provinces to challenge similar laws banning private health-care insurance in their own jurisdictions.

"This is the end of medicare as we know it," said the federation's John Williamson. "This is a breach in government monopoly health care in this country."

He said the ruling acknowledges that Canadians are dying because they are waiting too long for medical care, and points out that waiting times are much shorter in many European countries where a private system operates side by side with a public system.


http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/09/medical-ruling-reaction050609.html
 

mabudon

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RE: Canada Bashers Double

See the crux of this argument, such as it is and in my opinion, is that the way our system is set up, this whole discussion is sorta moot....

If our system isn't working, it has to be FIXED, period.. setting up another system next to it to compensate for the inadequacies is a silly pursuit, and indeed makes a 2-tier (or maybe a health-care caste) system of sorts... the folks who point to the whole "the system is failing" part of it miss the point when they jump to "we need a system where folks who can AFFORD it can get prompt care"
It is a slippery slope, as mentioned previously in this thread. If the system is not working, the system itself needs fixing, any other path is too dangerous (in my opinion at least)
 

the caracal kid

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Re: RE: CANADA BASHERS DOUBLE STANDARD

Jay said:
the caracal kid said:
I didn't say I was "freer" than anybody else. Did I? I don't think I revealed anything about myself.

Well you sure implied it with the comments you have directed at me.

the caracal kid said:
I explained how capitalism is just as enslaving as any other ideology out there, the main difference is that it did a better job at tricking the individual into believing he/she had something to lose by challenging the system; "the willing servant". In the end though, capitalism will collapse because it suffers from the same weaknesses as its brother ideaologies.

And I wasn't at the meeting.

If I was I would have raised my hand and said prove it. Prove to me how free speech is of a lesser quality than the other "ideas" tell me how high taxes and nanny states are in any competition with low taxes and Free states. People who accumulate capital aren’t under some guise of ideology. It is the ideologists who want to think so they gave it the name it carries.

well jay,

i would remind you not to confuse or try to blend various constructs together to serve your own purposes. Freedom of speech is not tied to capitalism.

Again I urge you to look at things other than from a "ideaology vs ideaology" where any component can only be present in one ideaology perspective.

I have never supported these "nanny states" you speak of.

However, if you fail to see how the "accumulation of wealth" is in itself entirely self-enslaving then I can not fully share with you the alternatives that provide more freedom than capitalism.
 

Johnny Utah

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cortez said:
inspired by jays HATE of canadas mixed economy
and the right wings incessant hate speech against
what they say are communist regimes...

ive noted no mention of even more pinko places than canada -------------------------------------------------------why is it they skip from canada to --cuba

without mentioning these

SWEDEN
DENMARK
FINLAND
NORWAY

and all of them very white

very white

why do you hate white people so much....

i think people who criticise canandas socialist policies and culturally pacifist position are

ANTI CANADIAN

or we would have heard about sweden and the nordic gang by now-- or mentoned in the same breath

another right wing double standard EXPOSED!!!!
Your an Anti-Canadian, you have shown that with your disrespect towards the Canadian Military.

You and your sidekick beaver are worthless little Communist sympathizing pieces of shit. Any Canadian Soldier man or woman is more worthy of being called a Canadian then you two.

Cortez and Beaver Brokeback Tards. :lol:
 

cortez

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canada is a pacifist socialist - country
i would prefer the canadian military be back home safe and sound where by their own admission they can cruise the bars of kingston and edmonton beating up their fellow canadians-- you know the ones that pay their salaries

why are you anti-canadian
 

darkbeaver

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Johnny Utah said:
cortez said:
inspired by jays HATE of canadas mixed economy
and the right wings incessant hate speech against
what they say are communist regimes...

ive noted no mention of even more pinko places than canada -------------------------------------------------------why is it they skip from canada to --cuba

without mentioning these

SWEDEN
DENMARK
FINLAND
NORWAY

and all of them very white

very white

why do you hate white people so much....

i think people who criticise canandas socialist policies and culturally pacifist position are

ANTI CANADIAN

or we would have heard about sweden and the nordic gang by now-- or mentoned in the same breath

another right wing double standard EXPOSED!!!!
Your an Anti-Canadian, you have shown that with your disrespect towards the Canadian Military.

You and your sidekick beaver are worthless little Communist sympathizing pieces of shit. Any Canadian Soldier man or woman is more worthy of being called a Canadian then you two.

Cortez and Beaver Brokeback Tards. :lol:

Why do you hate Canukistan JohnnyUtah, why do you point your gun at people when you speak to them, is it because most people wouldn't pay any attention to you if you didn't threaten them with a weapon. Why are you anti-Canadian Johnny. Here at CANCON we
have higher standards than you routinly display, you are a product of television and comic books, shit has great value you have none,
shit fertilizes the beautiful flowers like the great MASTER of REALITY CORTEZ and his slightly less magnificent me DR DARKBEAVER . You sadly are a construct of snot which only function seems to be that of keeping your head from collapsing.
 

zoofer

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Did someone mention Ann Coulter?
Bush has lost his momentum, Americans' support for the Iraq war is dwindling, and opposition to Bush policies is hardening. That's according to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll being covered as if it were a real news story.

Like callers to talk radio claiming to be Republicans angry with Republicans, liberals love to pretend public opinion is always in the process of shifting in their direction. They can't win elections -- Democrats have gotten a majority vote in a national election only two times since FDR was president (Lyndon Johnson in '64 and Jimmy Carter in '76). But they're always experiencing an upswing in the polls.
Clinton could never get a majority of Americans to vote for him but, according to the polls, as soon as the public found out about his sex romps with Monica, his support shot up to above 80 percent. Bush did get a majority of the country to vote for him less than two years ago. Now we're told 70 percent of Americans hate the man.

Indeed, according to the polls, the public's feeling about the war in Iraq began three years ago with fear, skepticism and dread -- and steadily went downhill.
If these poll results were accurate, support for the war should be about negative 3,000 percent by now. The public would have stormed the White House, seized the president and flogged him to death.

Here's a sample of New York Times headlines on stories discussing poll numbers since before the Iraq war began in March 2003:

-- Poll Finds Most in U.S. Support Delaying a War (2/14/03)

-- Opinions Begin to Shift as Public Weighs Costs of War (3/26/03)

-- World's View of U.S. Sours After Iraq War, Poll Finds (6/4/03)

-- Study Finds Europeans Distrustful of U.S. Global Leadership (9/4/03)

-- Despite Polls, Pataki Backs Bush on Iraq All the Way (10/3/03)

-- Poll Finds Hostility Hardening Toward U.S. Policies (3/17/04)

-- Support for War Is Down Sharply, Poll Concludes (4/29/04)

-- Rising Casualties, One Falling Poll (5/2/04)

-- Polls Show Bush's Job-Approval Ratings Sinking (5/14/04)

-- Bush's Rating Falls to Its Lowest Point, New Survey Finds (6/29/04)

And then -- despite the fact that every single man, woman and child in America opposed the war in Iraq and despised George Bush -- a few months later, Bush won re-election against well-respected war hero John Kerry.

Immediately after the election, public opinion polls showed Americans turning once again against the war and against George Bush, according to the Times:

-- Americans Show Clear Concerns on Bush Agenda (11/23/04)

-- Public Voicing Doubts on Iraq and the Economy, Poll Finds (1/20/05)

-- Bad Iraq War News Worries Some in GOP on '06 Vote (8/18/05)

-- Support for Bush Continues to Drop as More Question His Leadership Skills, Poll Shows (9/15/05)

-- Iraq's Costs Worry Americans, Poll Indicates (9/17/05)

-- Most Americans Find Cindy Sheehan Attractive, Interesting (2/8/06). OK, I made that one up. The rest were made up by the Times.

The media are constantly telling Americans what they believe: You are dissatisfied ... You are getting more dissatisfied ... You are slowly becoming utterly dissatisfied ... Your dissatisfaction is now reaching a fever pitch!

News coverage of public opinion polls is barely justifiable in an election year. When there's no horse race, these cooked-up polls are nothing more than the mainstream media's long, monotonous brainwashing of the public.

At least the old subliminal ads for popcorn in movie theaters operated by stealth. Today's mainstream media engage in open conditioning of the public in a fantastical scheme to shift public opinion.

Noticeably, there's always an odd disconnect between what the polls say and what people actually do.

Despite the fact that -- according to the polls -- the "American people" are fed up with the war Iraq, only a few hundred anti-war protesters showed up in New York City last weekend. The naked cowboy in Times Square gets a bigger crowd than that.

Despite the fact that polls show the public is ready to throw in the towel on Iraq, members of the House of Representatives, or "the people's house," recently voted 403-3 against withdrawing the troops.

Despite the fact that 70 percent of the public thinks Bush is doing a lousy job, when they had a chance to put someone else in the White House a mere 15 months ago, they decided to keep him.

There is, however, one poll taken by millions of Americans every day, year in, year out. Based on plummeting viewers, circulation numbers and ad rates, we can say with some certainty, the American people are beginning to loathe the liberal media.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13435&o=ANN001

..and the CBC is not far behind!
 

Johnny Utah

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darkbeaver said:
Johnny Utah said:
cortez said:
inspired by jays HATE of canadas mixed economy
and the right wings incessant hate speech against
what they say are communist regimes...

ive noted no mention of even more pinko places than canada -------------------------------------------------------why is it they skip from canada to --cuba

without mentioning these

SWEDEN
DENMARK
FINLAND
NORWAY

and all of them very white

very white

why do you hate white people so much....

i think people who criticise canandas socialist policies and culturally pacifist position are

ANTI CANADIAN

or we would have heard about sweden and the nordic gang by now-- or mentoned in the same breath

another right wing double standard EXPOSED!!!!
Your an Anti-Canadian, you have shown that with your disrespect towards the Canadian Military.

You and your sidekick beaver are worthless little Communist sympathizing pieces of shit. Any Canadian Soldier man or woman is more worthy of being called a Canadian then you two.

Cortez and Beaver Brokeback Tards. :lol:

Why do you hate Canukistan JohnnyUtah, why do you point your gun at people when you speak to them, is it because most people wouldn't pay any attention to you if you didn't threaten them with a weapon. Why are you anti-Canadian Johnny. Here at CANCON we
have higher standards than you routinly display, you are a product of television and comic books, shit has great value you have none,
shit fertilizes the beautiful flowers like the great MASTER of REALITY CORTEZ and his slightly less magnificent me DR DARKBEAVER . You sadly are a construct of snot which only function seems to be that of keeping your head from collapsing.

Your a product of a Communist Sympathizing upbringing. Again if anyone is Anti-Canadian it's you and your Commie sidekick Cortez who embrace Communist ideals.

I am a product of being proud of Canada and what it does in the world such as in Afghanistan or it's Peacekeeping Missions.

Last time I held a Gun I shot a Beaver. :)

If anything collpased it's your head when the Tree fell on it. :lol:
 

darkbeaver

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RE: Canada Bashers Double

I think you have in all likelyhood never used a firearm Master Utah. Maybe you will survive long enough to be allowed in a bar. Get your jammies on and go to bed, you don't want to be late for fool school.
 

Johnny Utah

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Re: RE: Canada Bashers Double

darkbeaver said:
I think you have in all likelyhood never used a firearm Master Utah. Maybe you will survive long enough to be allowed in a bar. Get your jammies on and go to bed, you don't want to be late for fool school.
Theres only one way for you to find out of I ever used a gun.
It's been a few years since I held one but I think I wouldn't miss. :)

When I go to the Bar I see Tards like you who sit alone in the corner wishing a good looking Woman would talk to them rather then laughing at you.
:laughing8:

That's a shame for you isn't it? :sad2:

Have a nice day. :boxing:

Have a Corona!
 

cortez

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john boy
you should quit while your a head
the GREAT COMPASSIONATE BEAVER has again with his usual wit and wisdom put you in your place
your failure to see that drops your IQ to 50
your wasting a bottle of that fine brew drops it down to 40

IQ40--- I like the sound of that
--- you do realize that IQ40 is below average dont you

but how did you get to be so dull
was it television as beaver speculates
or was it something else
your not that guy who accidently shot himself in the head are you
 

cortez

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Re: RE: Canada Bashers Double

Johnny Utah said:
darkbeaver said:
I think you have in all When I go to the Bar I see Tards like you who sit alone in the corner wishing a good looking Woman would talk to them rather then laughing at you.
:laughing8:

That's a shame for you isn't it? :sad2:

Have a nice day. :boxing:

john boy
you yourself have a photo of me
you posted it in a separate thread
that one of a demonstration -- im the dude in the back with the shades
---not bad looking i think--
people like me and beaver dont go to bars to pick up chicks like you do-- thats crass-- and we dont have to
if you want to meet real women
join yer local amnesty international branch for a start--


we meet many beautifull compassionate intelligent women at our repective commie-anarchist-socialist anti military love ins
and its love man real love
just look how happy and relaxed i look in the photo
im looking forward to the party after the parade
ive never had a problem with the women-- the beutifull compassionate intelligent ones that is----
they love many things about me
not the least of which-- my spanish -mexican accent
i can actually trace my heritage to the great gregorio cortez--
now that dude could use a gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now john boy
if you do show up to amnesty international to try and meet that special someone...

leave you water pistol at home OK..........
 

I think not

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Re: RE: Canada Bashers Double

mabudon said:
See the crux of this argument, such as it is and in my opinion, is that the way our system is set up, this whole discussion is sorta moot....

If our system isn't working, it has to be FIXED, period.. setting up another system next to it to compensate for the inadequacies is a silly pursuit, and indeed makes a 2-tier (or maybe a health-care caste) system of sorts... the folks who point to the whole "the system is failing" part of it miss the point when they jump to "we need a system where folks who can AFFORD it can get prompt care"
It is a slippery slope, as mentioned previously in this thread. If the system is not working, the system itself needs fixing, any other path is too dangerous (in my opinion at least)

There is the Romanov Report, I've read through it once quickly, it's pretty long, but it apparently details everything that needs to be done to "fix" the Health Care system in Canada.
 

Jay

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Re: RE: CANADA BASHERS DOUBLE STANDARD

the caracal kid said:
However, if you fail to see how the "accumulation of wealth" is in itself entirely self-enslaving then I can not fully share with you the alternatives that provide more freedom than capitalism.

Self-enslaving....that's a good one.

I think I'm going to quit my job on go on welfare.