Huh?
This has absolutely nothing to do with religion or original sin. It is about the country of Canada and the natives and the contracts between them.
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Huh?
This has absolutely nothing to do with religion or original sin. It is about the country of Canada and the natives and the contracts between them.
BC is not going to be handed over. This clearly shows why land claims must be researched and also shows that the claims that have been made by the natives cannot all be valid. By giving natives money for their claims and allowing them to buy land and having some of that land classified as reserve land is the more likely outcome.
Is it too late for a long walk to Saskatchewan? Solve alot of problems if Canada Separated from Sask right after.
I think we should honour the treaties.If they have legimate complaints,then settle them once and for all.This crap about compensating them for "traditional" lands is BS,as they claim most of Canada. The treaties were signed to stop the eventual extermination of the race.It was a war and the natives lost,we should not be feeling guilty about this 200 years later. If the native leaders put as much effort into educating the young as they do trying to win the land claim lottery,everyone would be much better off. I have read a few of the treaties and the natives are getting a sweetheart of a deal compared to what they are entitled to in the treaties. We did not STEAL thier land,we conquered thier land.
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Heavens no. You don't want to turn over your house with a dried out lawn.:roll::smile:
Early settlers on the way to the west coast wrote that they didn't see anyone for weeks on end. If the natives truly owned the land, they would have defended it. The natives were quite happy to trade with the settlers for guns and steel traps and wool blankets when it suited them. We have already given the natives too much as far as I'm concerned. The natives were made a ward of the federal government about a hundred years ago and we've supported them every since. Time for them to work for a living.
The early settlers were in someone else's country, great for them to come, but please know your place.
Anything that has happened to the natives, we did to them. They should have been left alone, and
what we discovered and used in our progress through time, should have been shared with them.
Their laziness was bought on by us, we took away their pride, and their way of life. Just imagine
yourself and your families being put in that position.
We progressed through time, great educations, great infastructure, and we left them in the dust.
It wasn't their fault.
The white people always should have respected the rights and ownership of the first nations people.
There is 'no' way they could have defended their land, they were far behind the white people when it came to strength and weapons.
Whatever was done, it was not done by me. I am tired of paying for two hundred year old mistakes. Canadian natives......those natives in what is now Canada were treated a hell of a lot better than other indigenous peoples around the world. I don't believe the natives owned all of Canada...You can't just make a trip through a country and claim it as your own.....You have to make some improvements to the land or something that even proves you were there.....hell, some natives claimed the Pacific ocean as part of their territory. The natives make up a tiny percentage of the population and we are letting the tail wag the dog.
Yes. If you thought that was dumb idea, you shouldn't have signed it away. Should I be forced to pay my mortgage even if it will send me into ruin? Yes, if I don't, I lose the house. A deal is a deal and no one forced us to make it (hell we forced the terms to them pretty much).
The fishing and hunting rights twila brought up are interesting....
In the olden days the natives nurtured the land, took what they needed , wasted nothing. There is this mystique about it even today.
Would they fish to feed them selves today or take on the modern approach and completly deplete the stocks for instant finacial gain.
In the olden days the natives nurtured the land, took what they needed , wasted nothing. There is this mystique about it even today.
Would they fish to feed them selves today or take on the modern approach and completly deplete the stocks for instant finacial gain.
They DID NOT nurture the land. Wasted nothing,come on now,why are the bottoms of the buffalo jumps filled with bones? They ran whole herds off and took what they could carry. When the white man traded for furs,the indians took out the young and female because they were the easiest to kill. 50 bald eagles killed last year in B.C.,by natives. The lobster industry in the maritimes is going under because of natives catching and KEEPING EVERYTHING. The native as portrayed by Hollywood is fiction.
They did defend it. Thats why we shot them. But thats neither here not there.
They have the same property rights and rights to contract as anyone else. They are no more required to work for a living than anyone else.
Many people never work a day in their lives, living off the deals and wealth aquired by their forefathers. I myself hope to work up enough one day that my descendants can live off of interest and investments I set up.
And I wouldn't want the government stepping in and stripping them of their property so a bunch of people can whine about how its no fair they have to honour contracts they already got the payout from. Its like refusing to pay a mortgage because you already have the house.
They have the deed, its their land. If we are gonna start stripping land, I'll start with yours.
Bull, they fought between each other all the time. They fought wars, built cities and had armies (not the plains folk specifically, they didn't build cities). By the time we rolled into the plains to settle land had already changed hands many times since we'd scouted the area. Natives had their own bloody rivalries (just like everywhere else on earth) long before Europeans showed up. Hell, they used to think of Inuit as subhuman monsters fit only for extermination.
The point is property rights. If someone owns the land, you can't take it because they are a native.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT "PAYING FOR MISTAKES" OR ANY OTHER CRAP ABOUT NATIVES BEING COMPENSATED FOR THEIR SUFFERING, THAT IS UTTER GARBAGE. ITS ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS. THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, THEY CAN PROVE IT WITH LEGAL DOCUMENTATION, WE TOOK IT BECAUSE UP UNTIL THE RECENT PAST WE DID THAT TO NON-WHITES, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN LAND TAKEN FROM JAPANESE CANADIANS IN WWII.
you seem very well meaning thought ill informed. At least research head smashed in bufallo jump to see the very careful nurturing of the land by the natives.
Its also a myth they used everything. Like most hunter civilizations they wasted most of the food, as t here was always more to hunt in times of plenty. This is one of the reason most nations were so expansionist, conquering and pillaging their enemy lands (like humans everywhere)
Their technique didn't deplete because game stores were so high, and they practiced population control by and large.
Their technique didn't deplete because game stores were so high, and they practiced population control by and large.
damn straigh Z,
What do you think about the huge backlog of claims, large influx of new claims and small number of claims solved each year. There is a need to thoroughly research all such claims, so what do we do about the fact that at this rate we will never finish with the claims. We need to complete this, and we need to do it without getting screwed. Natives can claim ownership of places like Vancouver and Toronto but will never will they get it what should we do in these cases?
Yes it is the reason. You may not be a religious person anymore, but the culture is still in your heart. Only a person from a totally different culture can see it because he/she's not influenced by this original sin culture.
I'm not saying it's bad. Actually I think it's good. The point is, if a good thing goes too far, it goes to the opposite.
When you're turning them into parasites, you think you're really doing a good thing? One loses his/her dignity when he/she is fed by the others. And believe me, more and more people will begin to look down on them.
A good example:
You know there're Uigurs in China(oh, BTW, they are not like the natives in Canada, the land where they live has been within the territory of China since Han Dynasty,about 1800 years ago, and their ancestors moved to there much later).
Anyway, there're many Uigurs all over the country now, some are good guys, they have nice restaurants, some are bad guys, they steal and rob. Now the g o v think since they're minorities, we should respect them, and tolerate them, and treat them differently, so those bad guys were never really punished, and then they're more and more rampant. You can see these thieves and robbers(some are kids threatened by bad guys) in every big city. It's really a big social problem.
So what now? Almost every Chinese thinks Uigurs are thieves and robbers. People try their best to keep away from them, and sometimes non-Uigur yellow-eyed guys too(by mistake). People talk about all the bad things about Uigurs.
It's so unfair for those really nice Uigur guys and non-Uigur yellow-eyed guys.
Ironically, this happens because the g o v just want to be good to Uigurs.
No. Real dignity comes from(if they do have the same ability as the others) being treated equally as all the other people.