That is the most disrespectful thing I've ever heard for some time...
If what your ancestors didn't affect your life at all whatsoever, you wouldn't be on Canada now...
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That is the most disrespectful thing I've ever heard for some time...
If what your ancestors didn't affect your life at all whatsoever, you wouldn't be on Canada now...
Where does one draw the line when it comes to land claims? People who occupied the land upon European "discovery" were seldom the original people who walked the same land a hundred or a thousand years before. My ancestry can be traced back to England or Scotland, but I was born here. My roots are here. I am native to this land. Yes, First Nations got a raw deal. In terms of today, how does one fix a yesterday?
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by settling land claims fairly, so that first nations people can live with pride and honour as the aboriginal people they are, and we can hold our heads high and not feel we have stolen someones
country from them, and then live as though it is ours and ours alone.
It doesn't matter that it was long long ago, it is never too late to make it right.
Land claims aren't ancestral land, Mohawks for instane aren't truly first nations, what they are, is a treaty holder. Its a contract. Its not about lineage, its about they own the land, just like any other property bought and sold.
There you go lumping it all in. WE??? not we. It's simple i've done NOTHING WRONG! im innocent, my future children are innocent and my children's children are innocent. Innocent people shouldn't have to pay for wrongs SOMEONE ELSE did. Believing natives should get special privelages for a wrong done to their "ANCESTORS" is wrong. Nothing short of racist.
I respect natives but i respect them just like anyone else. Natives Canadians, Japanese Canadians, Jewish Canadians and all the others should be treated Equally, none above any other.
so the decent thing to do is to let them just fend for there selves after we really did not embrace them into the culture and way of life.
If you come from any background other than aboriginal , even a few hundred years ago,this society is normal for you to develope in.You have parents and ancestory to help you develope.
You conqour an aboriginal peoples. Take all their land and displace them. Ostrasice the crap out of them. Not let them join in and build the new country together...not even remotely....
And in the last century continue to treat them terribly, even the ones trying to fit in. ruin vast amounts of them in schools that are set up for them which were basically places of real horror.
And now you figure fukc em let em figure this whole thing out....Let them find there own way out of the isolation we brought them to.....they all don't live in Rama county ya know.
you haven't a clue as to the damage and horror these people carry with them on account of our not so distant ancestors......
So true, so very very true. When I travel throughout B.C., I often visit native indian areas,eg. Old
Hazelton as one. My feelings toward them are very warm and respectful, and I chat with lots of
people in those towns. They are good people, gentle people. They were forced on those reservations
long ago, and made to live like 'pets', thrown a bone now and then, but mostly deprived of the free
life they had for hundreds of years before the white people.The white people came with the idea that they were so
much better, and smarter, when actually they were craftier and meaner and better armed, with
plans to take everything away from the TRUE CANADIANS, and, the intruders weren't canadians at
all.
And, it WASN'T all that long ago.
I just finished watching "iNTO THE WEST", a mini series which depicts the life of the american
indians leading up to the masacre at wounded knee, which took place in the very late 1800's.
I now have the complete DVD set. Everone should watch that seres, very accurate and eye opening.
The part about forcing them into white schools and not allowing them to speak their own language,
happened in Canada also. Very sad.
Nothing anyone can do will ever return the natives to pre columbian times. They are now just as much a part of the modern world as anyone. Secondly, we did not slaughter the natives the way our neighbours to the south did, many indians came north to escape the carnage, I do not deny that natives were mistreated but please understand the difference. As for forcing them into white schools and taking their names and language it is a sad part of our heritage, one that we should not forget and for which we are in the process of making reparations. Lastly Natives were not the true Canadians, they were not a united country but but were many separate nations.
Disrespectful???
No sir, i don't think you understand in the slightest. Suppose an Ancestor of yours was a thief, does the desendant of the victim have to right to garnish your wages till the debt is paid. The answer is simple and your too stubborn to understand.
Do mongolians owe Eastern Europeans for the vast amounts of wealth they stole. Or how bout Spain to South America.
How bout if ancestors property was seized and burned by the Nazis. Do the German people of today owe me anything?
It comes down to if one person didn't do anything to anything then they don't owe them anything.
Get your stinkin hands outta my pocket DocDred and SwitSof!
I once attended a retreat in Tofino where we were provided three views on the forest industry. This was back in the BC NDP era. Presenter #1 was the government's Forest Renewal BC program. #2 was Friends of the Clayoquat. #3 was the Nootka First Nations. Presenter #3 was the only one who had its head screwed on straight. I gained a lot of respect for them that weekend.
It is government contracts and treatys that have not been settled, so there is written documentation
on everything. It's not just complaints of unfairness or thievery.
I'm not a Canadian, yet.
Just think this is weird.
If you really think your grandfather did something wrong, and you want to compensate it, ok you do it, with a reasonable compensation, you solve it at one time, and then both sides are even.
When you pay the compensation, you need to let those aboriginal natives know "this is the compensation, use it to make yourselves strong and rich. Once you use it up, everybody's equal."
IMHO, the real meaning of compensation is to help them get equal rights(of living/ education/ everything) since what they should have was taken away from your ancestors, so if you don't compensate them,it's not equal for them. BUT,when it's equal, you need to stop, otherwise it's getting unequal again.
Shouldn't be a from generation to generation thing.
Well I guess their ancestors were hardworking people, and now you're turning them to what?
Just think this is weird.
If you really think your grandfather did something wrong, and you want to compensate it, ok you do it, with a reasonable compensation, you solve it at one time, and then both sides are even.
When you pay the compensation, you need to let those aboriginal natives know "this is the compensation, use it to make yourselves strong and rich. Once you use it up, everybody's equal."
IMHO, the real meaning of compensation is to help them get equal rights(of living/ education/ everything) since what they should have was taken away from your ancestors, so if you don't compensate them,it's not equal for them. BUT,when it's equal, you need to stop, otherwise it's getting unequal again.
Shouldn't be a from generation to generation thing.
Well I guess their ancestors were hardworking people, and now you're turning them to what?
Very true. Now suppose your father bought a house and left it to you in your will. Do you get it, or should the government take it and sell it and give you nothing?
If your father worked for the government and part of his union contract was that he would get re-imbursement for sending his kids to post-secondary, does the government have an obligation to pay? It is a contract they agreed to, he did fulfill his end of the obligation?
Why is it if the person is native, all of a sudden you don't have to pay contracts signed?
Its not compensation for anything done wrong. How that myth got started I don't know. Its a treaty, an agreement signed that both sides would live up to.
Its like saying a Mortgage is "compensation to help you get a better house so you can have a better life". It may help you get a better life and a better house, but thats not what it is. It is a contract, they give you money, you pay it back with interest, you don't pay it back, they take the house.
This isn't about helping them out of poverty or any such thing. If we fulfill our treaties and they still live in poverty and have no power or water, well tough nuggies.
This is akin to the government evicting you from your house without any legal backing and selling it, and you walking down to the courthouse saying "HEY! I still have the deed, thats my damn house"
I guess this is from the "original sin" story from the Bible. I'm not a religion person, but I respect your religion.
Anyway there's one question: isn't the "original sin" your ancestor(or all humans' ancestor) did to God? only that kind of sin is original sin. When your ancestor did something wrong to some HUMAN, you can't call it "original sin", it's the sin that can be washed out at one time, because they're not God, they are humans created by God just like you.
Anyway there's one question: isn't the "original sin" your ancestor(or all humans' ancestor) did to God? only that kind of sin is original sin. When your ancestor did something wrong to some HUMAN, you can't call it "original sin", it's the sin that can be washed out at one time, because they're not God, they are humans created by God just like you.
So who created the land, the earth?
The Bible says it's God, scientists say it's the universe, it's the law of nature, whatever...It's not the human anyway.
I admit it's tricky though...
The Bible says it's God, scientists say it's the universe, it's the law of nature, whatever...It's not the human anyway.
I admit it's tricky though...
I just read where 110% of BC has land claims against it by various bands. Lets hope the BC gov't puts in a clause stating that the decisions made are final and binding. Because if they don't and they bow to being continuously politically correct we will see in a very short period of time that BC is owned by the Natives....and then all of BC has the opportunity to know first hand what it's like to live on a reservation where you don't own a thing...Should be good times...
You're right. Since you didn't do anything to the natives, you personally don't owe them anything. However, your country (Canada) did something to them, and they owe the natives. Since a country is made up of it's citizens, and you are a citizen of that country, you carry some responsibility. Hence, your share of the responsibility will be taken care of through taxation whether you like it or not. The only other alternative is to live off the grid or renounce your Canadian citizenship and that will be the end of it.