Canada 51st State

[Serryah]

That is all bullshit from the anti oil liberals.

Apparently you missed what happened with Exxon, and BP in the Gulf?

Federal law.

Should still be up to the province of the people who live there to decide. IMO. And if the choose it, so be it.

Transfer payments help no one from Manitoba West.

Major federal transfers - Canada.ca

Tables indicating federal government transfers to provinces and territories.

www.canada.ca

No equalization maybe, but other transfers... seems like they all get help.

I don't especially care which one. Right now, it protects Ontario and Quebec farmers.

Um... no, actually. It USED to but looks like not so much.

Dumping milk in Canada: New data quantifies the problem - Dairy Global

In early 2023, a Dairy Global feature story explained why milk dumping was occurring in Canada. Literally dumping milk down the drain in the barn, rather

www.dairyglobal.net

2 million litres of milk dumped after Quebec dairy plant labour dispute

A labour dispute at a Quebec dairy plant has led to the dumping of 2 million litres of milk since Wednesday.

www.ctvnews.ca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_and_poultry_supply_management_in_Canada (moreso for interesting fact that it's mostly on provinces that quotas are set up)


Seems like it gets dumped everywhere.

Point is, it should NOT work like this, I agree. There shouldn't be dumping anywhere, regardless, and it needs to change.

But seriously, you're so anti-anything east of Manitoba it's crazy. Even I don't have that big a bias against the West and that's even with Moesy and Smith in charge of Sask and Alberta.

 

[petros]

Not in BC. They are forced to dump it. Even lamestream media covered it.

Bullshit.

 

[Ron in Regina]

???????
There are certainly strengths and weaknesses to supply management, but many are critical of it from a consumer standpoint. As explained in a national Canadian newspaper: “Milk dumping…is done very deliberately to maintain high prices for Canadian milk. Ever since the 1970s, Canadian dairy farmers have been subject to a state-sanctioned cartel that artificially limits supply in order to drive up prices and ensure profitability for farmers.”

Dumping milk in Canada: New data quantifies the problem - Dairy Global

In early 2023, a Dairy Global feature story explained why milk dumping was occurring in Canada. Literally dumping milk down the drain in the barn, rather

www.dairyglobal.net

 

[petros]

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There are certainly strengths and weaknesses to supply management, but many are critical of it from a consumer standpoint. As explained in a national Canadian newspaper: “Milk dumping…is done very deliberately to maintain high prices for Canadian milk. Ever since the 1970s, Canadian dairy farmers have been subject to a state-sanctioned cartel that artificially limits supply in order to drive up prices and ensure profitability for farmers.”

Dumping milk in Canada: New data quantifies the problem - Dairy Global

In early 2023, a Dairy Global feature story explained why milk dumping was occurring in Canada. Literally dumping milk down the drain in the barn, rather

www.dairyglobal.net

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Malarkey. Who says this? Dairy producers who don't have guns? If you're spilling milk you're feeding too many cows. You shoot the overproducing cows and sell at $3.00 an lb.

 

[petros]

Malarkey. Who says this? Dairy producers who don't have guns? If you're spilling milk you're feeding too many cows. You shoot the overproducing cows and sell at $3.00 an lb and extra milk goes for powdered.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Malarkey. Who says this? Dairy producers who don't have guns? If you're spilling milk you're feeding too many cows. You shoot the overproducing cows and sell at $3.00 an lb.

Apparently, the western producer, the financial post, CTV, etc…it’s as far as I bothered to look because it was all coming up with the same answer. Maybe they’re all wrong.

 

[petros]

Apparently, the western producer, the financial post, CTV, etc…it’s as far as I bothered to look because it was all coming up with the same answer. Maybe they’re all wrong.

Drama. You don't feed cows if they don't pay. PERIOD.

 

[Jinentonix]

It is not just Alberta, but the whole West. Start with lifting the ban on tanker traffic. Remove the no pipelines act. Remove the ban on drilling off the West Coast. Either fix or eliminate the Senate. Eliminate transfer payments. SUpply side management needs to be eliminated or made more fair. BC dairy farmers being forced to dump excess milk on the ground is a no go.

Hey dude, don't blame all of us. You've outlined many of my complaints as well, from an Ontarian, because I prefer to see Canada as a fucking country and not a bunch of pissy regions. Christ dude, I been bitching about our own internal trade tariffs for longer than most of the shit you're complaining about.

 

[Jinentonix]

Yes, from 1957 to 1964, so those 7 years ending 60 years ago…& then…

Equalization payments in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did you read the whole thing? Ontario didn't start becoming a "have not" province until Mulroney gutted its manufacturing sector with the FTA. Until then Ontario was the economic engine of Canada.
In fact, at one point the Fed didn't even bring energy revenues into the equation because if it did Ontario would have been a net federal transfer recipient when it shouldn't have been.
So if you wanna blame someone, blame Mulroney.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Introduced Thursday by Rhode Island Rep. Seth Magaziner, the No Invading Allies Act would require U.S. President Donald Trump to seek a formal declaration of war, congressional approval or proof of a “national emergency created by attack or imminent threat of attack” to authorize offensive military action against the places mentioned above.

“Congress has allowed Presidents to engage in temporary hostilities for up to 60 days without Congressional approval,” reads a Thursday release from Magaziner’s office. “However, President Trump’s reckless rhetoric on territorial expansion makes clear that he cannot be trusted with unchecked war powers.”

U.S. Congress bill aims to prevent funding of invasion of Canada — CTV News

A new bill introduced to the United States House of Representatives would withhold federal funding for any American "operations to invade or seize territory from" Canada, Panama or Greenland -- unless Congress agrees to it first, that is. But one political analyst described the bill as more of a...

apple.news

Earlier this year, Trump refused to rule out military force as a means of seizing Greenland and the canal, while his vision for a Canadian annexation has been limited to what he has called “economic force.” The United States has since launched a trade war with Canada.

Co-sponsored by eight other congressional Democrats, the bill has been referred to House committees on foreign affairs and America’s armed services. In order to become law, it must first pass votes in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, before receiving the president’s own signature.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Yet oil tankers still deliver to the Queen Charlottes and VancouverIsland , but let’s not tell .

Trudeau put in the tanker ban mainly to kill the Northern Gateway-Kitimat project that harper approved

 

[Taxslave2]

Malarkey. Who says this? Dairy producers who don't have guns? If you're spilling milk you're feeding too many cows. You shoot the overproducing cows and sell at $3.00 an lb.

No. There should be no penalty for BC producers that produce more than their quota just to protect Quebec dairies. They should be allowed to sell to local cheese manufacturers or even to pig farmers for feed.
This is why supply management must go. It artificially raises prices for consumers and protects inefficient farmers while denying new entrants into the market.

 

[petros]

No. There should be no penalty for BC producers that produce more than their quota just to protect Quebec dairies. They should be allowed to sell to local cheese manufacturers or even to pig farmers for feed.
This is why supply management must go. It artificially raises prices for consumers and protects inefficient farmers while denying new entrants into the market.

Thats bullshit. Agropur buys all of it. They are fucking huge. Yes Island Farms is Agropur.

We are a cooperative

We are proud of our business model and the way it shares the wealth. Understand Agropur's cooperative model, emphasizing collaboration and shared prosperity.

www.agropur.com

 

[Taxslave2]

Hey dude, don't blame all of us. You've outlined many of my complaints as well, from an Ontarian, because I prefer to see Canada as a fucking country and not a bunch of pissy regions. Christ dude, I been bitching about our own internal trade tariffs for longer than most of the shit you're complaining about.

When we speak of Ontario, we generally mean Toronto-Ottawa. When QUebec is included, it refers to the little corridor from Ontario to Montreal. SO the Vote rich liberal stronghold. Most of us know that Northern Ontario and Northern Quebec suffers under many of the same policies that affect us. It gets really frustrating when some shithead flatlander that has never seen salt water makes rules that have a negative effect on how we live, work, and play.

 

[Taxslave2]

Thats bullshit. Agropur buys all of it. They are fucking huge.

Try reading the news.

 

[petros]

Try reading the news.

News from today or 40 years ago?

 

[Taxslave2]

News from today or 40 years ago?

Couple of years ago. Read what Ron posted.

 

[petros]

Couple of years ago. Read what Ron posted.

1 story of 1 producer who dumps.

Find real hard data (no guesses or assumptions) and I'll believe you.

 

[petros]

I'll help you out. There is no data but a claim of 6-10 billion liters since 2012.

That's 8B average liters over 13 years. Divide 8 billion by 13 then divide that number by 40 Million.

Comes to 1.5384615385 liters per Canadian per year.

Fuck all innit?

 

[Taxslave2]

I'll help you out. There is no data but a claim of 6-10 billion liters since 2012.

That's 8B average liters over 13 years. Divide 8 billion by 13 then divide that number by 40 Million.

Comes to 1.5384615385 liters per Canadian per year.

Fuck all innit?

That depends on how many producers are required to dump extra milk. And where they farm. If it is even 1 litre in BC, I care. If it was all in Quebec, I don't care. The system was designed to protect them.