Calgary paper runs cartoons

[Sassylassie]

Freedom of speech is a privlage it should not to be used to harm or cause suffering based on color or religion. If I had to think or censor (so I wouldn't offend anyone) everytime I spoke or wrote something I'd spend my life time "Mute" The Middle Eastern Muslims need to understand that "If the only voice they hear speaking is their your own--it is not a conversation/dialog but a lecture. Five stay around you are a voice of reason.

 

[Colpy]

Freedom of speech is a privlage it should not to be used to harm or cause suffering based on color or religion. If I had to think or censor (so I wouldn't offend anyone) everytime I spoke or wrote something I'd spend my life time "Mute" The Middle Eastern Muslims need to understand that "If the only voice they hear speaking is their your own--it is not a conversation/dialog but a lecture. Five stay around you are a voice of reason.

Freedom of speech is a Priviledge?!!!

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

Freedom of speech is a RIGHT, and I don't understand how people here can misunderstand that.

As for the papers reprinting the cartoons, they are making a point about their right to print what they see fit.

The only people that have rights are those that exercise them.

 

[FiveParadox]

*sigh*

I do not misunderstand that freedom of speech is a right; it is quite that, a right. However, when we abuse rights, then that is what causes them to be seen as privileges. For example, those who would abuse their right to freedom of speech, and incite hatred toward others, is precisely the reason that hate propaganda laws had to be introduced in the first place.

Just because you can, does not mean that you must.

Those newspapers also have the right to print pictures of Matel® Barbie dolls. So why aren't they showing them, instead of these political cartoons? That's also their right, is it not?

I don't understand the point of all of this.

 

[sanch]

Perhaps you are simply unaware that words such as embarrassed and shame are commonly used by critics when speaking to Israeli polices and Jewish support for these policies. The context in which you used the words is very familiar.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Calgary paper runs cartoons

*sigh*

I do not misunderstand that freedom of speech is a right; it is quite that, a right. However, when we abuse rights, then that is what causes them to be seen as privileges. For example, those who would abuse their right to freedom of speech, and incite hatred toward others, is precisely the reason that hate propaganda laws had to be introduced in the first place.

Just because you can, does not mean that you must.

Those newspapers also have the right to print pictures of Matel® Barbie dolls. So why aren't they showing them, instead of these political cartoons? That's also their right, is it not?

I don't understand the point of all of this.

Can't stay away from this, can you Five? :wink:

Not that I think you should.

The newspapers don't print pictures of Barbie simply because no one is threatening them if they do. A certain segment of the population would see depictions of the "prophet" forbidden, therefore printing them is a declaration of defiance.

More power to them, IMHO.

 

[FiveParadox]

No, sanch, I did not know that.

But for you to accuse me of racism on these forums, when I have shown such patience and restrain, when I could easily have gone on many-a-rant about some of the reprehensible comments I have seen on this forum and others, is quite simply put, offensive.

I am not a racist.

Let me make that quite clear.

There was no racial motivation behind my comments whatsoever, notwithstanding whether or not you happen to agree. If you still want to accuse me of being some intolerant, anti-Judaist pig, then it's off to Wreck Beach we go.

I refuse to converse on this line of discussion in an open forum any further.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Calgary paper runs ca

Pity!

 

[sanch]

You need to settle down a bit FiveParadox. There are many posters here who are simply advocating for free speech and they are being accused of Islamophobia, being anti-Muslim and fascist. Your response seems a bit extreme in this context.

You take very partisan positions on most issues and when you speak up for one side forcefully there is always the danger of offending the other side. This does not mean that you harbour resentment for any particular group.

 

[Jersay]

Ezra is Jewish?

Cool.

Now back to the point of the language. Before Hitler got in charge, through democratic means, he and his inner circle of guys planned racist and anti-sematic speeches blaming everything on the Jews. Because most of these demonstrations if you want to call it were organized and peaceful, even though the NAZI's were spewing racist stuff, as long as it was peaceful the authorities could not do a single thing against them.

And the idea of allowing groups to use Free Speech to criticize anyone of a different ethnicity, race, religion or anything else that makes them different is totally wrong. Because that is what they want, they want an audience for them to listen to them.

Look at someplace in Ohio when Neo-Nazis got to lead a demonstration near a black neighborhood, riots broke out. All because of a form of Free Speech.

Free Speech if it to intentional inflame passions of different people and result in violence or outrage of certain kinds.

 

[the caracal kid]

RE: Calgary paper runs ca

"Free Speech has to be curtailed if it offends anyone."

this is the wrong approach unles your desire is to breed a society of generic drones.

 

[Jersay]

I looked at what I said and edited it, it was too broad and rash.

 

[Sassylassie]

Sorry but free speach is a privilage. Like driving a car you break the rules you lose your license to drive. If you are using free speach to spread hatred, lies, racism then you will lose the right to free speach regarding these topics. There have been individuals in Canada that have been charged by the RCMP who have used the Veil of Free Speach to do the above and have been stopped. LIke that nutter who spread leaflets saying the Holocost was a hoax, he was stopped. Slander is a criminal offense if it does irreversible harm to someone. I agree with Five just because you can doesn't mean you should. Sanch, if you think for a moment that Five is racist you aren't reading her post objectively. She is the most moderate member of this forum and tries to keep things in balance. She has taught me a thing or two about being narrow minded. Me not her.

 

[FiveParadox]

Thank you so much for the kind words, Sassylassie.

But for future reference, I am not a "she". lol

 

[Jersay]

Thank you so much for the kind words, Sassylassie.

But for future reference, I am not a "she". lol

Five I had no idea you were a girl. :wink:

 

[Sassylassie]

I keep telling my husband I don't need Bi-focals, sob. Sorry Five but the perscription glasses and the magnifine glass over them can get little murky at times. I DO NOT NEED BI-FOCALS, the other half is always wrong.

 

[the caracal kid]

RE: Calgary paper runs ca

"Sorry but free speach is a privilage"

No. Speech is a freedom. If it is deemed or percieved to be a privilage we undermine the very foundation of an open democracy.

Rights come with responsibilities though (civic responsibility). All citizens (if there are any these days) are bound to exercise their responsibilities to maintain an open and just democracy. Part of that is upholding everybody's freedom to speech, whether you agree with it or not. If we strip away this very core of our society, we create the foundation for exactly what five is using as examples in support of "hate speech laws". Once we deem "one version" to be unacceptable in communication, we pave the way for only "one version" to be acceptable.

We can not compare speech to a car, since we do not licence citizenship!

 

[FiveParadox]

Charter Rights and Freedoms in Canada

It should be noted that, despite the arguments in favour of an absolute version of free speech, freedom of expression, or both — even if we were to rescind our legislation pertaining to hate propaganda, these rights and freedoms would continue to be at the discretion of the Supreme Court of Canada, and the Supreme and Superior Courts of the Provinces and Territories.

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

 

[Jersay]

Good. At least we have a backup to people who want to spread hate.

 

[I think not]

Good. At least we have a backup to people who want to spread hate.

Would that include banning books depicting gay sex at the border? See what happens? Some "group" is offended by homosexuality and has convinced your government reading such books is a no no.

What do you have to say now about reasonable limits of free speech?

 

[FiveParadox]

I think not, such practices have since ceased.

Furthermore, I did not say that such rights and freedoms were at the discretion of the House of Commons or the Government of Canada; but rather, that they were at the discretion of the Supreme and Superior Courts of the Provinces and Territories, and the Supreme Court of Canada.

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