Re: RE: Bush: constitutional
Ok. Are these things now above common law, thanks to the EU?
Daz_Hockey said:
Ok. Are these things now above common law, thanks to the EU?
Bush: constitutional amendment - Gay Marriage Ban
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RE: Bush: constitutional
yep said1, south africa was effectivly our fault (britain's) to begin with, kenya too (that I'm afraid was the last attempt to keep a long since faded empire), but the irony he (my south african friend) was on about was how he used to comment on how he could generally get shot for walking in white land, but he was aware of it, where as if he went to the deep south, although some might be totally against apartied, in his words "people would probably want to hang me", I think Mohammed Ali stressed that a bit too
yep said1, south africa was effectivly our fault (britain's) to begin with, kenya too (that I'm afraid was the last attempt to keep a long since faded empire), but the irony he (my south african friend) was on about was how he used to comment on how he could generally get shot for walking in white land, but he was aware of it, where as if he went to the deep south, although some might be totally against apartied, in his words "people would probably want to hang me", I think Mohammed Ali stressed that a bit too
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Hey, you call the US the land of baby killers, as far as I'm concerned you have your head so far up your ass there is no escape. You don't know squat what the British Empire did, obviously since I never hear you condemn the actions.
Daz_Hockey said:
Hey, you call the US the land of baby killers, as far as I'm concerned you have your head so far up your ass there is no escape. You don't know squat what the British Empire did, obviously since I never hear you condemn the actions.
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as far as I was aware, most of those were common unwritten UK laws anyway, the UN stands for them as well, and s founder members I dont understand how anyone could think we did not adhere to them
Said1 said:
as far as I was aware, most of those were common unwritten UK laws anyway, the UN stands for them as well, and s founder members I dont understand how anyone could think we did not adhere to them
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ITN, there are two main co-allition forces in Iraq and Britain hasnt been accused of going into a house and deliberatly shooting children, thats all I'm saying
ITN, there are two main co-allition forces in Iraq and Britain hasnt been accused of going into a house and deliberatly shooting children, thats all I'm saying
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What you're saying is that you are attaching inhumane actions to a passport, that's what you're saying, which by definition makes you a bigot.
If those people are found guilty, they will be punished.
And btw, I suppose the beating of kids in the street by British troops sort of escaped the news?
I never once said the fuckin Brits but rather, the morons who did it.
Daz_Hockey said:
What you're saying is that you are attaching inhumane actions to a passport, that's what you're saying, which by definition makes you a bigot.
If those people are found guilty, they will be punished.
And btw, I suppose the beating of kids in the street by British troops sort of escaped the news?
I never once said the fuckin Brits but rather, the morons who did it.
Said 1 said:
The right to keep and bear arms is also straight out of English common law, it pre-dates the Magna Carta, and is Article 7 in the English Bill of Rights of 1689.......
The right to keep and bear arms is also straight out of English common law, it pre-dates the Magna Carta, and is Article 7 in the English Bill of Rights of 1689.......
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But, that in itself doesn't uphold those laws. I'm not saying the UK is famous for human rights abuses against their citizens, but the fact of the matter is that in the UK, they are not protected by a written document as is the case in Canada, the USA and elsewhere, protecting a citizens negative rights. Meaning, any legislation passed, that might be in violation of any common human rights laws is/was not subject to judicial review - until that pesky EU came along. :lol:
Daz_Hockey said:
But, that in itself doesn't uphold those laws. I'm not saying the UK is famous for human rights abuses against their citizens, but the fact of the matter is that in the UK, they are not protected by a written document as is the case in Canada, the USA and elsewhere, protecting a citizens negative rights. Meaning, any legislation passed, that might be in violation of any common human rights laws is/was not subject to judicial review - until that pesky EU came along. :lol:
Re: RE: Bush: constitutional amendment - Gay Marriage Ban
I didn't say that. Good one though.
Colpy said:
I didn't say that. Good one though.
RE: Bush: constitutional
ITN, I've got you quite bent out of shape over the issue of the maltreatment of iraqi's and the like, for that I appologise, but YES, it's well known that most other countries these days, if they see an American uniform (which IS actually quite different to a UK one) they tend to think they'll get beaten or killed, it's a fact, negative perception, like Britain long back, you've built up quite a name for yourself in many places, Britain has been seen in a lot of places (Basra for example) as the "good cop" compared to the US's "bad cop", it's all about press.
Camp X-ray, those KILLINGS (not beatings, however they caused MUCH less trouble than this lot) besides, your image everywhere tends to be very poor, for example, the first few british dead were caused by US "friendly" fire, now with "firends" like that....
and Said, the magna carta, good bunch of documents and all, and I know the bill of rights is based on them, but it also says that "no man should be tried on the evidence given by a women", like the bill of rights, completely out of place today I'm afraid...mostly
ITN, I've got you quite bent out of shape over the issue of the maltreatment of iraqi's and the like, for that I appologise, but YES, it's well known that most other countries these days, if they see an American uniform (which IS actually quite different to a UK one) they tend to think they'll get beaten or killed, it's a fact, negative perception, like Britain long back, you've built up quite a name for yourself in many places, Britain has been seen in a lot of places (Basra for example) as the "good cop" compared to the US's "bad cop", it's all about press.
Camp X-ray, those KILLINGS (not beatings, however they caused MUCH less trouble than this lot) besides, your image everywhere tends to be very poor, for example, the first few british dead were caused by US "friendly" fire, now with "firends" like that....
and Said, the magna carta, good bunch of documents and all, and I know the bill of rights is based on them, but it also says that "no man should be tried on the evidence given by a women", like the bill of rights, completely out of place today I'm afraid...mostly
I get bent out of shape Daz because you only see the US through one lense. Your posts indicate this. So, I won't be silent.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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I'm not following you, I'm not talking about the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights, stemming from the UK. What does the above have to do with what I said.?
Daz_Hockey said:
I'm not following you, I'm not talking about the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights, stemming from the UK. What does the above have to do with what I said.?
RE: Bush: constitutional
I dont ITN, I'm just a stupid popularist.....I dont dislike the US, I really dont
I dont ITN, I'm just a stupid popularist.....I dont dislike the US, I really dont
Re: RE: Bush: constitutional amendment - Gay Marriage Ban
You're right!
Sorry.
Daz Hockey wrote the offending post up top...........
Said1 said:Colpy said:
I didn't say that. Good one though.
You're right!
Sorry.
Daz Hockey wrote the offending post up top...........
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Of course not, we're just a bunch of baby killers preeching freedom and democracy. Spare me.
Daz_Hockey said:
Of course not, we're just a bunch of baby killers preeching freedom and democracy. Spare me.
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media representation my man, media representation.
All I'm trying to point out is that nobody is perfect, britain did all this, britain did all that, sure, brutal, no doubt, repressive, fine.....but I'm not painting a perfect picture of the UK am I?
it just seems a lot of people seem to want to paint a perfect picture of the US, the truth is usually quite removed from it, the killings happened, these are facts and I'm just suggesting the US is also at odds with it's stated core values.....currently at least.
no, really, Americans in America are fine, it's when a lot of people's world view comes into effect is when I get touchy "were gonna spread freedom and liberty wherever we go" oh please.
I think not said:
media representation my man, media representation.
All I'm trying to point out is that nobody is perfect, britain did all this, britain did all that, sure, brutal, no doubt, repressive, fine.....but I'm not painting a perfect picture of the UK am I?
it just seems a lot of people seem to want to paint a perfect picture of the US, the truth is usually quite removed from it, the killings happened, these are facts and I'm just suggesting the US is also at odds with it's stated core values.....currently at least.
no, really, Americans in America are fine, it's when a lot of people's world view comes into effect is when I get touchy "were gonna spread freedom and liberty wherever we go" oh please.
RE: Bush: constitutional
And, back to the topic at hand...
So, because lots of people want to use the state to be bigots, that means that its ok for our politicians to try too? What a joke. Take your religion, shove it up your ass, and quit trying to force it on others.
And, back to the topic at hand...
So, because lots of people want to use the state to be bigots, that means that its ok for our politicians to try too? What a joke. Take your religion, shove it up your ass, and quit trying to force it on others.
Listen Daz, I have never pretended the United States is a benevolent force, we have a long list of blood on our hands and we also have a long list of a great many good things. Every single country on the face of the earth protects it's interests, whether or not others get hurt. It's the way the world works. Being British, you should know this first hand.
And yes we have spread freedom and democracy, we have also spread a good number of dictatorships, especially in Latin America. What you "leftists" never see, is the flip side of the coin, you will believe what you want to believe, and that's all.
We never stay where we go, never. We are not an occupying force, we are a temporary stabilizing force. We will not stay in Iraq, I don't know when we will leave, but we will.
Now you can twist it, bump it, toss around any which way you like, be thankful the cold war ended up the way it did.
And yes we have spread freedom and democracy, we have also spread a good number of dictatorships, especially in Latin America. What you "leftists" never see, is the flip side of the coin, you will believe what you want to believe, and that's all.
We never stay where we go, never. We are not an occupying force, we are a temporary stabilizing force. We will not stay in Iraq, I don't know when we will leave, but we will.
Now you can twist it, bump it, toss around any which way you like, be thankful the cold war ended up the way it did.
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why should I be thankful the coldwar ended up like it did?
I mean, it was obvious really, it was like watching a poorman get himself into debt for the rest of his life to keep up with the Jones's, it was pityful really.....just another example of the pityless-self-centredness of big business right wing "up-the-ladder-up-jack-and-sod-the-rest" ideals that plague society against what was ultimatly a selfless idealistic ecomonic ideal corrupted by individuals who didnt belong in said system to begin with.
Communism was a noble if not flawed belief'
Capitalism is in truth very unequal wrong, and very traditional way of walking over people, which ultimatly hurts many people.
America was born out of capitalism, not democracy like so-called so'oth sayers would suggest.
why should I be thankful the coldwar ended up like it did?
I mean, it was obvious really, it was like watching a poorman get himself into debt for the rest of his life to keep up with the Jones's, it was pityful really.....just another example of the pityless-self-centredness of big business right wing "up-the-ladder-up-jack-and-sod-the-rest" ideals that plague society against what was ultimatly a selfless idealistic ecomonic ideal corrupted by individuals who didnt belong in said system to begin with.
Communism was a noble if not flawed belief'
Capitalism is in truth very unequal wrong, and very traditional way of walking over people, which ultimatly hurts many people.
America was born out of capitalism, not democracy like so-called so'oth sayers would suggest.
Re: RE: Bush: constitutional
Nice to see you back on the side of good :wink:
LittleRunningGag said:
Nice to see you back on the side of good :wink: