Bush Ally Defeated

[warrior_won]

Some say that Bush went into Iraq because Saddam was going to change oil sales to Euros from the US $, and now look- Iran is next as they threaten to do the same. The battle was to save the "US Dollar Hegemony" and it is collapsing all around him. Without that, America cannot afford to police the world and be the imperialists they were before Bush.

Which part of the U.S. war machine is foreign? If I'm not mistaken, everything about their war machine is developed and built domestically. The U.S. is a huge exporter of arms, but they're hardly an importer of arms. The falling U.S. dollar, if anything, will make U.S. arms exports more lucrative.

If you haven't noticed, the U.S. Federal Reserve does not appear to be concerned with the fall of the dollar at all. I'm sure they recognize that it is not in anyone's best interest to allow the U.S. dollar to collapse. I'm sure they also figure that the falling U.S. dollar will help address the the growing trade deficit in some small but importantly meaningful way.

If the trade deficit slows, or even better, reverses, the U.S. economy will climb at an unprecedented pace. This will send investors running back to the U.S. markets and the U.S. dollar will once again rise to the occasion.

I'm no expert in economics, but I've come to recognize that economics can be looked at in terms of two metaphors: Dominos & See-Saws. That is, there are pretty much two principles that dominate economics. The first is that there are always consequences for everything. The second is that the consequences can be good or bad.

But like I said, I'm just learning this stuff. And I've still a very long, long way to go. So I could be wrong by a country mile -- or two.

 

[MikeyDB]

The consensus seems to be that we have begun WW3 some time ago. we are in a perpetual state of war, well into it and well advanced, WW3 can't be averted, maybe we can stop the use of nuclear weapons but I doubt it. This time it's them or us forever. The Old Banking Houses mean to rule the world, every square meter, they'll exterminate millions to make it happen just like thier fathers did and thier grandfathers. They sell the weapons and fan the flames and the gold pours in.
I think Canada is #6 in armament sales this year so we're already profiting or at least our masters are. Try selling averting the war to them. Thanks for the links Karlin, good essays. I realy think we do have to wake up and realize the war started about twenty years ago. I'm very much convinced we're in deep serious ****.

It's a connundrum: Some percentage of the Canadian population didn't want to participate in the Afghanistan mess and some did.... Some Canadians abhor war and yet are either unfamiliar with the profits being made by arms merchants in Canada....

The "American Dream" conscripted Canadians and many others, mirroring the "anything for a dollar attitude that's at the heart of that "Dream", and like any snake-oil salesman who get's caught....the rats leaving the ship claim hardship and injustice....

The WW3 that Darkbeaver is talking about has been around for the past fifty years and it's less a war of nation against nation than it is a surrender to the most primal and barbaric self-interest ever seen among the species.

Bush and Howard, Blair and bin Laden are some of the players, but the war has been and is being fought in the minds of everyone. The great new idol that sits in the livingrooms and rec-rooms of much of the world is the instrument of this war. Like any "messenger" the tales of social institutions collapsing and the frequency of the exposure of corruption and injustice in our hallowed halls of government, to say nothing of the rot at the heart of the "Dream" have we the great unwashed picking sides and aligning our thinking with either element marking the divide.

Humankind is simply reaching the next evolutionary challenge, a challenge that has to do with the individual mind and apprehension and little to do with nation-states.

 

[Blackleaf]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the majority of Americans opposed to the war? Last I heard, Bush's popularity was around 24% or something like that.

You know how it goes. You can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

I won't voice my personal views on the war. I'm just stating what I've been hearing and seeing on the net and in mainstream media. However right or wrong they may be.

At the start of the war, the majority of Americans and the majority of Brits were for the war.

It's also a shame that Howard is gone. He was a big ally of the United States and was right to send troops, along with around 40 other countries, to rid the world of an evil dictator. Blair has gone but at least Brown is still a big ally of the US and recently condemned many European and other countries for their anti-Americanism.

Also, Howard did NOT lose the election over Iraq. He lost because of unpopular labour laws.

It's just a pity that the Canadian government didn't show the same courage as America, Britain, Australia, New Zealand (all the big Anglosphere members except Canada), Italy, Spain, Poland, Holland, Norway, South Korea, Romania, El Salvador, Czech Republic, Albania, Armenia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Estonia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Latvia, Nicaragua, Singapore, Portugal, Phillipines, Tonga, Ukraine, Hungary and several others. ALL those countries sent troops to Iraq, and they can't all have been in the wrong.

I can understand France not sending troops to Iraq because they were the biggest suppliers of weapons to Saddam after Russia, and the Germans not sending any as they are France's poodle, but what's Canada's excuse?

 

[Kreskin]

Everything goes in cycles. Things will shift for awhile then the next major event will trigger a reversal.

 

[earth_as_one]

After 9/11 and after the Taliban refused to hand over those responsible, Canada pretty much had to go to war against Afghanistan with the US. A strong secure America free of paranoia serves Canada's interests.

Iraq was about greed and I'm proud Canada's leaders resisted US pressure. That would change quickly if Harper won a majority...

 

[earth_as_one]

At the start of the war, the majority of Americans and the majority of Brits were for the war.

It's also a shame that Howard is gone. He was a big ally of the United States and was right to send troops, along with around 40 other countries, to rid the world of an evil dictator. Blair has gone but at least Brown is still a big ally of the US and recently condemned many European and other countries for their anti-Americanism.

Also, Howard did NOT lose the election over Iraq. He lost because of unpopular labour laws.

It's just a pity that the Canadian government didn't show the same courage as America, Britain, Australia, New Zealand (all the big Anglosphere members except Canada), Italy, Spain, Poland, Holland, Norway, South Korea, Romania, El Salvador, Czech Republic, Albania, Armenia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Estonia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Latvia, Nicaragua, Singapore, Portugal, Phillipines, Tonga, Ukraine, Hungary and several others. ALL those countries sent troops to Iraq, and they can't all have been in the wrong.

I can understand France not sending troops to Iraq because they were the biggest suppliers of weapons to Saddam after Russia, and the Germans not sending any as they are France's poodle, but what's Canada's excuse?

I'm amazed that people are able to maintain this opinion after all the events which have happened since.

Before the US led invasion I opposed the war because I have not seen any convincing evidence that proved Hussein was a WMD threat or was behind the events of 9/11.

I posted links like this on the internet:

2001: Powell & Rice Declare Iraq Has No WMD and Is Not a Threat

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.cfm/Page/Article/ID/2334

And many of the same links which reference this information which was know at the time:

POWELL'S UN CHARGES AGAINST IRAQ (And Some Plausible Explanations)...

BRITISH INTELLIGENCE CONTRADICTS POWELL. NO LINK BETWEEN SADDAM AND AL QAEDA, THEY SAY...

US claim dismissed by Blix...

Scott Ritter, the UN's former chief weapons inspector in Iraq, says the United Nations des troyed most of Iraq's wea pons of mass destruction and doubts that Saddam could have rebuilt his stocks by now. According to Ritter, between 90% and 95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were des troyed by the UN. He believes the remainder were...

http://www.bushwatch.com/iraqevidence.htm

Evidence since the invasion/occupation supports anti-war forces original assertion that absence of evidence is not proof of existance.

Despite questionable evidence supporting war, the majority favored war as a result of manipulative misinformation, not the evidence or lack thereof. The majority being wrong only proves a herd of sheeple isn't very bright.

Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump is known around the world as a remarkable testimony of prehistoric life. Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump bears witness to a custom practiced by native people of the North American plains for nearly 6000 years. Thanks to their excellent understanding of topography and of bison behavior, they killed bison by chasing them over a precipice and subsequently carving up the carcasses in the camp below.

http://www.head-smashed-in.com/

 

[Just the Facts]

By Jihadis, I assume you mean the forces which oppose Bush militarily.

No, by Jihadi's I mean the forces which oppose militarily everything they consider un-islamic. You know, the political/military/industrial/commercial/religious forces which started this war.

 

[earth_as_one]

The people who voted against Howard have nothing to do with the "jihadis" as you describe them.

I can't speak for others but as a pacifist I oppose anyone who prefers violence as the their primary means to resolve disputes. From my viewpint I see little difference between Bush and Osama Bin Laden. Both are extremists and both are likely guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. They both should be brought before the ICJ at the Hague. They are like two side of the same coin. Each one creates reasons to justify the other's existance...

Being in favor of the war is anti-American since the majority of Americans now oppose the war.

 

[Just the Facts]

The people who voted against Howard have nothing to do with the "jihadis" as you describe them.

They describe themselves as Jihadi's, I merely follow suit.

My original post was just a play on your statement about who started this war. Sorry, I didn't intend it to be a meaningful contribution to the topic, just divertissement.

Have a nice day! :smile: