Burma refuses aid from U.S. warships for cyclone victims

[MikeyDB]

Colpy

For someone who claims to be an amateur anthropologist or historian or whatever...surely you're familiar with the nature of how political and economic precedents influence national identities and international relations....

The Burmese government is as likely as corrupt and brutal as that of Saddam Hussein but once the United States found that government acceptable.... to say nothing of course about Pinochet or Suharto or the decades long support for the Marco's regime....

You and Bear make quite a pair.....

 

[CDNBear]

This Bears repeating over and over and over...

You people are so blinded by your inferiority complex......it is unbelieveable.

You and Bear make quite a pair.....

Thanx Mikey, at least I'll be in better company then you and Junta...

 

[MikeyDB]

Sure I can understand that Bear.....

Colpy loves the news that Palestinians are being killed by Isralis and so do you! Colpy thinks that war and misery brought down on whomever the United States decides deserves it ...is perfectly OK....and so do you!

I can't figure out why either of you labor under the fantasy that you actually think for yourselves! In a nut-shell (your obviously preferred position) whatever the United States does, in the Middle East, ...anywhere....is "good"

Anyone who disagrees with your opinions are "evil" or stupid or easily dismissed as unknowledgeable and blind to the truth......

So when do you fellows board for your flight aboard AirShip America to bring peace and prosperity to the world? At the point of a gun of course?

 

[CDNBear]

Sure I can understand that Bear.....

Colpy loves the news that Palestinians are being killed by Isralis and so do you! Colpy thinks that war and misery brought down on whomever the United States decides deserves it ...is perfectly OK....and so do you!

I can't figure out why either of you labor under the fantasy that you actually think for yourselves! In a nut-shell (your obviously preferred position) whatever the United States does, in the Middle East, ...anywhere....is "good"

Anyone who disagrees with your opinions are "evil" or stupid or easily dismissed as unknowledgeable and blind to the truth......

So when do you fellows board for your flight aboard AirShip America to bring peace and prosperity to the world? At the point of a gun of course?

Here's an Airship for ya Mikey...I really love the AC130... Nothing and I mean nothing beats the smell of burning Taliban insurgents.

 

[I think not]

They're not letting anyone in, I suppose the entire world has "strings attached". :roll:

 

[CDNBear]

They're not letting anyone in, I suppose the entire world has "strings attached". :roll:

ITN, please refrain from interrupting the anti US commentary. Don't make me report you!!! :lol:

 

[I think not]

ITN, please refrain from interrupting the anti US commentary. Don't make me report you!!! :lol:

Anti US commentary is a healthy thing. Too bad some become extremists themselves to make their "point" against extremism. Irony rocks.

 

[CDNBear]

Anti US commentary is a healthy thing. Too bad some become extremists themselves to make their "point" against extremism. Irony rocks.

And is must certainly lost as well.

 

[Praxius]

:roll:

Oh yes, the Burmese Gov't murders thousands by denying aid workers and relief efforts and the US is the bad guy again.

Fuk me, some people need serious therapy!!!

Doesn't really suprise me all that mutch if the US had strings attached. Sounds like the capitalist mentality we've seen from the US as of late. There's been plenty of examples where the US didn't bother to even take action to save people and have only mutters responses like "We find this Troubling" and then back to their wars. But then finally they're offering to this disaster, but from a vessel of war and with strings attached..... hell even in the contract our country signed with the US when it comes to shipping troops across each other's borders they put loads of strings on that agreement towards Canada..... such as the US troops can enter our country, but don't have to take orders from our military, but our's has to take orders from their military if in their country..... how fokked is that?

It wouldn't suprise me in the least that the US would attempt to offer help at their greatest time of need in order to get some profit or benifit out of it that would suit them in the long run.

The Burma authorities have recently opened their borders to most aid workers now from other countries.... just because they're in the middle of a disaster, doesn't mean they should just blindly open their borders to everything under the sun that claims they want to "Help"

And you want to talk about governments not helping their own people out, go talk to the people in New Orleans.

 

[Praxius]

It is bull****...........

Your first hint should have been "state radio"......

Considdering the State would have been the one's talking to the US about this, I'd think they'd have a bit more truth to what they were talking about, in fact know what they were talking about, compared to Joe Blow McCloud down the road who's only speculating on what was mentioned.

Quite honestly it doesn't matter if it was State Run Radio or if it was like CNN or ABC nor does it matter who's telling us the information.... CNN/ABC when trying to explain what the government is doing, is going by what the government "Tells" them.... which would be the exact same thing as the Government telling you themselves on their own radio station.

What? Do you seriously think the private media has some magical method of telling us infomation that the government, ours or anybody else's, wants to tell us?

BTW, the brutal regime of Burma is backed mainly by their allies in your hero-state......China.

No surprize there.

And the US sends billions to China so that China can continue to back their regimes..... I can make anybody look bad too if I wanted to.

 

[Praxius]

Mikey, I couldn't even read the entire post.

Complete crap.

Typically, the USA is first up to the plate to help in international disasters....

Sorry, I've been supplying most of the threads and news here in the forums in relation to this event, and the US wasn't the Very first country to jump to the plate to assist, and they have been letting in aid workers from China and other allied neighbors since it occured, while holding off aid from countries such as ourselves and the US.

as they were in the Tsunami, as they were in the Chinese earthquake, as they are here......

There is a difference between being the first to offer help and being one of the first to offer help. And when it comes to someone trying to put another nation into good light by trying to nit pick how many minutes sooner they offered their help compared to other nations.... that's not really saying much towards that country.... as we're then only judging by who can run to the TV sooner to report they're offering their help.

the size of their military machine leaves them uniquely able todeliver what is needed where........and they typically do it WITHOUT strings attached.

Full stop.

You people are so blinded by your inferiority complex......it is unbelieveable.

Oh yes... inferiority complex.... which is of course a relation to your mentality of thinking that the US is somehow superior in some fashion to everything else on the planet...... yes of course.... I'm so inferior to the US, cuz I look up to them so much that I could never fit into their shoes..... cuz I'm always comparing myself to the US..... cuz you know... I'm always putting the bar right up there to where the US is..... frig if I truly did that, the bar would be tripping me.... and I ain't a limbo champ.

If we have an inferiority complex, what does that tell us of your holier then thou superiority complex? I know you'd love to be the shoe lacky of some New York Stock Broker, but you don't have to spew it all over us.

 

[Praxius]

Colpy

Is it the people of Burma who are to blame? Is it the people of Iraq who are to blame? Is it the people of Saudi Arabia who are to blame (9/11)? Is it the people of Afghanistan who are to blame? (Taliban from Pakistan...an American supported "ally"....)

The reputation of the United States as a member-nation in the human community has been replaced with mistrust and fear. And who do you suppose owns the lions share of responsibility for that situation?

Agreed... you can't blame everyone else for hating the US because of the US's own actions and decisions through the last number of years.... you can spit out all the good things the US has done, and many other nations have a big list of nice things they've done too.... big deal.... when it comes to actual betrayal, lies, invasions, agressive behavior, selfish actions with selfish purposes and the nation in question even shows a lack of respect for their own people (Homeless Vets for starters, fallen soldiers getting ripped off of their pays for days they didn't serve because they were killed and rounded down so to reduce the amount they have to give to their families, etc.) ~ How can you blame other people and other nations/governments for not trusting them.

Oh yeah ok.... hey we just had a hurricane and millions of people are out of power and homes..... let's go call up Hitler and ask him to send some Storm Troopers to help out our people..... I'm sure nothing bad will come out of that.

No, I'm not exactly trying to go for a Hitler Bush comparison.... per say.... but when you put yourself into the shoes of the people who call you the enemy, and when even your own allies distrust you for many reasons, what are the chances that it'd be pretty well the same situation for the Burmese Government just opening their arms up to the US's military to do whatever they wish inside their country.

They're already having an issue making sure they have their own people, and current aid workers all accounted for and organized.... I imagine it'd be even more of a headache with the US Military roaming around their nation. I'm sure they have enough people to keep all that in order.

Plus the fact the US has already overthrown plenty of leaders of other nations in order to put in a puppet government that suit their own needs, do you seriously think the Burmese Government wouldn't be a bit paranoid?

 

[I think not]

And after the long rants of MikeyDB and Praxius they still can't explain why the regime doesn't permit anyone to provide assistance.

If they don't want US Aid, or they are "justified" because of "strings attached", why don't they let anyone else help them? They have one hudred and twenty five thousand people dead or missing and two and a half million people displaced.

Alright the US is an evil capitalist greedy society that unless we make a buck we're not interested in lifting a finger.

So what's your take on everyone else?

 

[I think not]

BTW Praxius, you're off topic. Payback's a bitch.

 

[lone wolf]

Maybe that paranoid head-gaming boob in power believes the Gods want his people to suffer and in denying them aid, he hasn't had a direct hand in their deaths?

 

[Praxius]

And after the long rants of MikeyDB and Praxius they still can't explain why the regime doesn't permit anyone to provide assistance.

1st, I don't have to explain a damn thing, it's common sense, they don't have to let anybody in if they don't want to.... it's their country.... you want to do something about it, go ahead and invade them like you always do, either that or put up and shut up..... but see you guys won't invade it because there's nothing to gain from it.... except global respect, but then again, since when has the US actually cared about that in recent history?

2nd.... update yourself with some news for once, as they have been allowing aid workers into their country since a couple of days ago after speaking with the UN.

If they don't want US Aid, or they are "justified" because of "strings attached", why don't they let anyone else help them? They have one hudred and twenty five thousand people dead or missing and two and a half million people displaced.

Alright the US is an evil capitalist greedy society that unless we make a buck we're not interested in lifting a finger.

So what's your take on everyone else?

Don't know.... go ask them, this thread is about the rejection of US Warships entering their country and waters, not every other country on the planet.

 

[Praxius]

BTW Praxius, you're off topic. Payback's a bitch.

I'm off topic am I? Seeings how my posts have related directly to the thread, posts by other members and article I originally posted, perhaps you can explain to me how I somehow went off topic.

Maybe I went off topic because I said something that pissed you off, or you found offensive, or doesn't suck your ass because you're from the US..... maybe you need to get a grip.

Considdering it's my thread to begin with and I started off the debate, I think I know what the hell the topic is about. Nice attempt to make me look hypocritical, but you fell flat on your ass on that one. I can almost see your semi-proud facial expression when you posted that, thinking you might have pulled a smooth one over me, but you failed. Better luck next time buddy ol' pal.

 

[Scott Free]

It is bull****...........

Your first hint should have been "state radio"......

BTW, the brutal regime of Burma is backed mainly by their allies in your hero-state......China.

No surprize there.

Yes, because we all know US supported dictators are so much better :roll: Certainly there have been more of them.

Anyway, I don't really have a problem with dictatorships. Democracy is every bit as violent as dictatorships, we're just insulated here by our undying love for propaganda and our fantastic wealth we gained through pillage. When a dictator puts a person in prison its oppression when we do it we're upholding the law.

 

[I think not]

Praxius, no you don't have to explain a dam thing, you're slowly becoming comparable to Logic 7.

 

[Praxius]

Praxius, no you don't have to explain a dam thing, you're slowly becoming comparable to Logic 7.

What? That we make more sense then you do? Yeah I noticed. Nice typical response I see in all forums over time "You're just like so-in-so" like that's going to hurt my feelings or something..... Hang on while I go dial my therapist.

Whatever you say, it doesn't remove the fact that you screwed up above and trying to dismiss it with some other tripe like the above only makes it worse.

Oh by the way.... please stay on topic for once, as this has nothing to do with Burma refusing aid from US Warships