British forces will be the last to leave Afghanistan

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British Defence Secretary, Dr Liam Fox, has said that British troops will be amongst the last to leave Afghanistan.

Both the United States and Canada have said that they will start bringing home their forces from next year, but Fox has said that British troops are unlikely to be in that first wave.

On a visit to Washington, Fox said: “The bottom line is that because we’re in one of the most difficult parts of Afghanistan – sometimes we think that’s the only part of Afghanistan – the likelihood is that will be one of the last parts to transition to Afghan security.”

Most British troops are situated in Helmand Province in the south, the most dangerous part of Afghanistan, whereas the US has a large presence in the relatively safe Kunduz Province in the north after the useless German Army proved ineffective in that area.

Liam Fox: British troops will be last to leave Afghanistan

By James Kirkup, Political Correspondent
30 Jun 2010
The Telegraph



British troops will be among the last international forces to leave Afghanistan, Liam Fox has said, playing down hopes of an early withdrawal.

Dr Fox’s remarks come after David Cameron raised the prospect of a swift end to the mission in Afghanistan.

But the defence secretary moved to lower expectations by saying that Helmand province, where most British troops are based, will be one of the last areas where Afghan forces can provide security without Nato support.

Dr Fox’s remarks come days after the Daily Telegraph revealed the tensions between him and the Prime Minister over the way in which the defence secretary announced the early retirement of Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, the Chief of the Defence Staff.

Britain has 10,000 troops in Afghanistan and has lost more than 300 lives. Polls say voters are increasingly in favour of an early withdrawal.

The Prime Minister has signalled his determination to bring British forces home as soon as possible, insisting that troops will be withdrawn before the next general election, due in 2015.


British troops will be amongst the last to leave Afghanistan

The US has said it wants to start withdrawing troops as early as next July, and Mr Cameron has backed that timetable. Other Nato members including Canada have said they want to withdrawing forces next year.

But on a visit to Washington, Dr Fox made clear that Britain would be unlikely to be in the first wave of handovers to Afghan control.

Dr Fox told the BBC: “The bottom line is that because we’re in one of the most difficult parts of Afghanistan – sometimes we think that’s the only part of Afghanistan – the likelihood is that will be one of the last parts to transition to Afghan security.”

Government sources said that the US might be able to start withdrawing troops next
year from relatively safe and stable provinces like Kunduz in northern Afghanistan.

But in the most violent and unstable provinces – especially Helmand, in southern Afghanistan – the transition to Afghan control could take much longer.

In a speech to a Washington think-tank, Dr Fox said that politicians and voters in Nato countries must “hold our nerve” and resist the temptation to end the Afghan mission too early.

"We must hold our nerve, maintain our resolve, and have the resilience to see the job through.,” he said.

"Were we to leave prematurely, without degrading the insurgency and increasing the capability of the Afghan National Security Forces, we could see the return of the destructive forces of transnational terror,"

There have been 309 British military deaths in Afghanistan so far. Here are the stats:

Cause of death
Hostile: 258
Accident: 30
Friendly fire: 5
Suicide: 2
Other: 14

Age
19 and under: 31
20-29: 205
30-39: 55
40+: 15
Not released: 3

Service
Army: 248
Royal Marines: 44
RAF: 17
Royal Navy: 0

Rank
Officers: 26
Other ranks: 278
Not released: 3

Gender
Male: 308
Female: 1

Part of the UK of those killed
England: 267
Scotland: 23
Wales: 15
Nothern Ireland: 4

Dr Fox insisted that he and Mr Cameron are united in his approach to Afghanistan.

He said: “What the prime minister was saying that we want to be able to transition to Afghan authority as soon as we can. We’re not there as colonisers we’re not there to govern the country for them.

He added: “We want government of Afghanistan by the Afghans for the Afghans. But we have to ensure that when we leave, we do not leave behind a security vacuum into which the forces of terror can be drawn again.”

A Downing Street spokesman also rejected any suggestion that Mr Cameron and Dr Fox were at odds over the strategy on Afghanistan, saying there was "no difference" between the two.

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Most British troops are situated in Helmand Province in the south, the most dangerous part of Afghanistan, whereas the US has a large presence in the relatively safe Kunduz Province in the north after the useless German Army proved ineffective in that area.


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US Deaths- 1000
UK- 347

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More brit BS.

Do they teach math in the UK these days?
 

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Personally, I wish we'd never have gotten involved in the war. But, we did, and I think it's stupid to think that nothing's been accomplished, and I think it's stupid to back out before we finish accomplishing. But stupidity abounds, so I am not surprised.
As for the Brits leaving last. It's up o them, I guess.
The result of leaving will likely be that the Taliban will take over anyway, which will mean that our and other countries losing men will have been for nothing. More stupidity.
 

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Most British troops are situated in Helmand Province in the south, the most dangerous part of Afghanistan, whereas the US has a large presence in the relatively safe Kunduz Province in the north after the useless German Army proved ineffective in that area.



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Check your figures BL... the US has 36,000 troops in the Helmund and Khandahar Province.
 

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US Deaths- 1000
UK- 347

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More brit BS.

Do they teach math in the UK these days?

To be fair, it ought to be quoted as a percentage of the population. Clearly a population of 1,000,000,000 losing 1000 men will be much less dramatic than a a population of 1,000,000 losing 100 men.
 

Ron in Regina

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The Title of the Thread is, "British Forces will be the last to leave Afghanistan."

From the O.P. it reads:


Both the United States and Canada have said that they will start bringing home their forces from next year, but Fox has said that British troops are unlikely to be in that first wave.


Anyone else catch that? British Forces will among the last to start bringing
home Troops, not the last to leave....is how I'm reading the O.P.

Am I reading this wrong? Not starting first doesn't equal being last, does it?

What I'm try'n to say above is, the Americans might be the first to start
pulling out their Troops, but the last to actually leave, due to logistics
or shear numbers, ect....
 

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Personally, I wish we'd never have gotten involved in the war. But, we did, and I think it's stupid to think that nothing's been accomplished, and I think it's stupid to back out before we finish accomplishing. But stupidity abounds, so I am not surprised.
As for the Brits leaving last. It's up o them, I guess.
The result of leaving will likely be that the Taliban will take over anyway, which will mean that our and other countries losing men will have been for nothing. More stupidity.
What has been accomplished? Too many deaths is about all. When all the troops pull out - when even some of them pull out, it will all go back to the way it was. We cannot finish "accomplishing" because we have not really even started. All troops could pull out today and nothing will be different. We need to mind our own business. It's not our country, not does it belong to the USA or Britain. What happens there will unfortunately continue long after we are gone and go on into eternity.
 

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The Title of the Thread is, "British Forces will be the last to leave Afghanistan."

From the O.P. it reads:





Anyone else catch that? British Forces will among the last to start bringing
home Troops, not the last to leave....is how I'm reading the O.P.

Am I reading this wrong? Not starting first doesn't equal being last, does it?

What I'm try'n to say above is, the Americans might be the first to start
pulling out their Troops, but the last to actually leave, due to logistics
or shear numbers, ect....

I did catch that but BL likes to twist things to his favor. I am sure the last people to leave will not be the brits but they need to say these things to keep their minds off the dreary and dismal island nation they call home. Boiled beef anyone?
 
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VanIsle

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I did catch that but BL likes to twist things to his favor. I am sure the last people to leave will not be the brits but they need to say these things to keep their minds off the dreary and dismal island nation they call home. Boiled beef anyone?
I certainly don't live on their Island but I do live on an Island (check out a map of Canada) and right now, right this very moment, it is raining and dreary. We don't eat boiled beef. It's quite lovely here most of the time. This year has been odd. Still and all - we do live on an Island (not an Island Nation) we call home. My roots and my husbands root are all from that nation they call home though. Roots from your nation too. ;-) (I'm from Everywhere Man)

As long a being the last to leave has more to do with scheduling than having bigger ballz than the other guys - as some of the jabs indicate.
Being the last to leave just makes them more vulnerable. Not brave.
 

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To be fair, it ought to be quoted as a percentage of the population. Clearly a population of 1,000,000,000 losing 1000 men will be much less dramatic than a a population of 1,000,000 losing 100 men.
I'd suggest it'd be more accurate to calculate the number of military personel lost against the number of military personel rather than entire populations.

To everyone? It would be a little oxymoronic to say something is fair to one but not fair to another, no? If it's fair to one, it's fair to all by definition. Otherwise it's not fair to anyone.
So why include the civilian populations then if it is supposed to be a fair calculation? Do they engage in military ops?

The Title of the Thread is, "British Forces will be the last to leave Afghanistan."

From the O.P. it reads:





Anyone else catch that? British Forces will among the last to start bringing
home Troops, not the last to leave....is how I'm reading the O.P.

Am I reading this wrong? Not starting first doesn't equal being last, does it?

What I'm try'n to say above is, the Americans might be the first to start
pulling out their Troops, but the last to actually leave, due to logistics
or shear numbers, ect....
Awfully good point, old chap. :D

What has been accomplished? Too many deaths is about all.
Dead wrong. Women are getting educations. Kids are not enslaved. Women don't have to endure Vit. D deficiencies and end up crippled in middle age, etc.
When all the troops pull out - when even some of them pull out, it will all go back to the way it was.
No, it won't. Druglords ran the place before. The Taliban will end up running it after.
We cannot finish "accomplishing" because we have not really even started. All troops could pull out today and nothing will be different.
You don't think Afghan women have acquired any hopes towards having a better life in the future?
We need to mind our own business. It's not our country, not does it belong to the USA or Britain. What happens there will unfortunately continue long after we are gone and go on into eternity.
Yeah, change will never happen in Afghanistan. Except in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Russia/USSR, China, the rest of the world, etc. change did happen.
 

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Gilbert, a soldier is part of a larger national society. His death impacts on the country as a whole. As such, clearly the loss of so many soldiers is also a loss of so many citizens, regardless of how many soldiers are there.