Well that's all fine and dandy, but who are you to police what I do when I leave Canada?? There are plenty of Canadians that have dual citizenship's and conflicting localities.
Many Canadians joined the US military to fight in the Vietnam war.
Bikers vs. ISIS? Dutch motorcycle gang gets green light to fight Islamic State
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Well that's all fine and dandy, but who are you to police what I do when I leave Canada?? There are plenty of Canadians that have dual citizenship's and conflicting localities.
Many Canadians joined the US military to fight in the Vietnam war.
Actually in this country we have troops engaging the enemy therefore when you leave
the country to fight for the other side you are seen as an enemy of the State and that
has serious consequences. All fighters for ISIS are now in violation as Canada has
planes in the air.
As for Nationalism well that has problems of its own instead of unifying people it often
segregates and marginalizes some people depending on the events taking place. I
am an economic nationalist in that I think all exports leaving Canada should be finished
product no more natural resources leaving as raw materials. Social and ethnic
nationalism i personally feel is more negative than positive. Besides I take great pride
in the fact we have a nation that doesn't have to stand with our hand over our heart
every time the band plays. We don't have to mourn every event in history aside from
the World Wars. Remembrance day is more about respect than mourning.
Canada is a unique place in that we have hundreds of squabbling villages that come
together when faced with a common threat. Face it Canadians have turned bitching
into an art form and we are really good at it.
the country to fight for the other side you are seen as an enemy of the State and that
has serious consequences. All fighters for ISIS are now in violation as Canada has
planes in the air.
As for Nationalism well that has problems of its own instead of unifying people it often
segregates and marginalizes some people depending on the events taking place. I
am an economic nationalist in that I think all exports leaving Canada should be finished
product no more natural resources leaving as raw materials. Social and ethnic
nationalism i personally feel is more negative than positive. Besides I take great pride
in the fact we have a nation that doesn't have to stand with our hand over our heart
every time the band plays. We don't have to mourn every event in history aside from
the World Wars. Remembrance day is more about respect than mourning.
Canada is a unique place in that we have hundreds of squabbling villages that come
together when faced with a common threat. Face it Canadians have turned bitching
into an art form and we are really good at it.
But wound up working security for the Rolling Stones instead.
And I disagree.
And Americans came here to join up before the US joined in WW1 and WW2. If we were fine with enlisting foreigners it would play against that hypocrisy argument.
Ha. Occasionally states wage war. Occasionally private citizens do. That has been the case before nation states existed and still is. IS isnt a state, or at least isnt a recognized one. Any civil war involves private citizens against a state. Usually private citizens from other countries as well. Look at the Spanish civil war or any other number of them. We had people joining both sides on that one and the ones who survived came home consequence free.
Dual citizenship means nothing in times of armed conflict especially if the country
one is fighting for is being opposed by Canada.
Secondly hypocrisy or not those Americans were on our side and the victor makes
the rules in the legal sense. If you are an ally you are a freedom fighter if you are
against us you are a terrorist and that is the vision of the international court at the
end of the day. International court dockets are not filled with victors they are filled
with those who pi**ed the world off simple as that,
one is fighting for is being opposed by Canada.
Secondly hypocrisy or not those Americans were on our side and the victor makes
the rules in the legal sense. If you are an ally you are a freedom fighter if you are
against us you are a terrorist and that is the vision of the international court at the
end of the day. International court dockets are not filled with victors they are filled
with those who pi**ed the world off simple as that,
Do you believe Canadians who engage in terrorism, murder, rape, pedophilia, child pornography, slave trading, drug smuggling and manufacturing or take their children abroad for cliterectomies, to sell them, etc etc etc should NOT be 'policed' when they return home or have you not really thought through your statement?
So what? This is a different century and the world has gotten a lot smaller through technology. The global enemy to democracy and freedom is Islam and not communism. Communism was a serious threat for 50 odd years and many of the laws that were right back then are no longer relevant today. Islam will be at war with everyone for the next 100 years and we need to take it seriously.
Legitimate mercenaries work for legal security companies and are bound to the rule of law of the country they are incorporated in. There should be no private or independent Canadian mercenaries. People who go abroad and kill others should be charged in Canada under our laws if the crimes are committed in relatively lawless regions or the high seas where one man's merc is another's pirate.
It is an army of 10s of thousands drawn upon from all nations. IS is the greatest example of why it should be illegal for Canadians to join independent or private armies. If we don't clamp down there will be more.
In most civil wars it is either the people who live there or returning expats who constitute the bulk of the insurgents. If you feel strongly enough to leave Canada to return to the old country then you should be free to do so, just not come back.
These members of the motorcycle gang are obviously there to establish contacts for weapons and under almost any other scenario would be prosecuted by their own country for doing so. What specifically do you disagree with?
If the cause is righteous enough, the outcry from the voters loud enough....parliament will send in the troops. There is no other cause I can think of that warrants Canadian citizens to act on their own.
I don't agree with terrorism, murder, rape, pedophilia, child pornography, slave trading, drug smuggling and so on.. but wouldn't those crimes fall under the jurisdiction in the country they are in..
Drug Smuggling, hope they get caught in the Philippines. They kill drug smugglers.
I think if you go abroad to fight for a cause that is threatening Canada, such as ISIS you get jailed upon return, or stripped of your citizenship.
If I want to go and fight against ISIS for the US military, you're saying I should not be allowed..??
Who are you??
The post I quoted. The Bikers are cool and all, but other then being envious of being there and killing aholes, I don't have an opinion.
Someone mentioned something about doing what they want outside of Canada's boarders
What right does the government have to regulate Canadians conduct in foreign lands.
Hate to tell ya there is extradition to a number of places and you can be tried in a Canadian
court for messing around with under age people in foreign lands as well and do jail time.
If one engages in fighting with the enemy while Canadians are in that military theater of war
its treason.
It is alright for Dutch bikers to go kick some a** their government said go for it.
If there is an attack on Canadian soil want to bet the riders will be on the streets meating out
good ole Canadian street justice. In fact that is troublesome because we have no idea where
an attack would lead
What right does the government have to regulate Canadians conduct in foreign lands.
Hate to tell ya there is extradition to a number of places and you can be tried in a Canadian
court for messing around with under age people in foreign lands as well and do jail time.
If one engages in fighting with the enemy while Canadians are in that military theater of war
its treason.
It is alright for Dutch bikers to go kick some a** their government said go for it.
If there is an attack on Canadian soil want to bet the riders will be on the streets meating out
good ole Canadian street justice. In fact that is troublesome because we have no idea where
an attack would lead
Again, I disagree.
I think if it isn't treasonous, there should be no issues with a civilian taking up arms against groups like ISIS.
There are so many lawless jurisdictions or countries or countries where certain activities are legal that are illegal in Canada it is hard to know where to begin.
Yes and I am someone who is sick of always fighting "Canadians". From Bosnia to Afghanistan to Somalia it is Canadians who help make the conflict worse before the Canadian government even gets involved.
It wasn't treasonous to head off to Bosnia and do a little ethnic cleansing in the months before Canada got involved.
We live in a global village now and the world is going to continue to shrink. We need to start finding ways to make armed conflict a thing of the past rather than find excuses to perpetuate it.
C'mon dude, you know that's not what I'm talking about. You're taking something that should be on a case by case basis, and want to make blanket law.
Like I ever said we should do anything other than. But you and I both know, some people aren't into communication.
Mercs are scum, they always have been and they always will be. Bullet in the head soon as their captured, that's the tradition, and for good reason.
They should be charged and tried in the place where they broke said laws. I do not like the idea of them coming back without consequences but our authorities have no jurisdiction over what happens there. Even if they did, getting the evidence, witnesses etc to try and convict them here would be difficult, but I suppose I wouldnt be opposed to trying for the things on your list.
Good luck getting evidence from such places.
WTF is a freedom fighter? Newspeak plain ordinary newspeak. Freedom from what, law?