Bible’s stories.

[socratus]

Bible’s stories.

Old Bible story:
"He...hanged the Earth upon nothing." / Job 26:7 /

New Bible story:
According to the many scientific experts however,
space didn't exist prior to the Big Bang.
It is possible to say,
"He...hanged the Big Bang upon nothing."
==.
Isn’t this situation strange?
But if we think that ‘nothing’ is a Reference Frame
( for example – Vacuum) then the situation will be more practicable.
=====.
Socratus.

 

[darkbeaver]

Most of the bible is allegory they say. So what linguistic impossibility were they trying to convey? By the way recently I have decided to read the bible again with a view to its embedded esoteric physics. Maybe I won't start drinking this time.

 

[MHz]

Most of the bible is allegory they say. So what linguistic impossibility were they trying to convey? By the way recently I have decided to read the bible again with a view to its embedded esoteric physics. Maybe I won't start drinking this time.

Try for the literal version over the mythological one. A God that tells great stories is not worth worship, one who actually does great deeds is worth it once He is actually present and accounted for via living proof of what power actually means. Enjoy your glasses of wine.

1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

New Bible story:
According to the many scientific experts however,
space didn't exist prior to the Big Bang.
It is possible to say,
"He...hanged the Big Bang upon nothing."
==.
Isn’t this situation strange?
But if we think that ‘nothing’ is a Reference Frame
( for example – Vacuum) then the situation will be more practicable.
=====.
Socratus.

The Bible promotes a multi-verse
2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell:
God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.

The Great White Throne event takes place when this earth and our heaven no longer exist.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 

[socratus]

Scientists say:
Approximately 13.7 billion years ago, the entirety of our universe
was compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus.
Known as a singularity, this is the moment before creation
when space and time did not exist.

We can see remnants of this hot dense matter as the now
very cold cosmic microwave background radiation which
still pervades the universe and is visible to microwave
detectors as a uniform glow across the entire sky.

Their prove :
The big bang was awarded twice by Nobel prize.
#
The Nobel Prize in Physics 1978 for discovery
of cosmic microwave background radiation).
The Universe as whole is: T=2,7K
#
The 2011 Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery that
the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing

It means in the future the Universe will came to T=0K
and then we all die.
=.
I don’t believe in big bang theory.
Why?
Because this cosmological theory doesn’t explain :
Where do masses of big bang come from?

So, I feel myself in Alice’s situation:
'But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.'
/ Lewis Carroll.
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. /
==.

 

[The Old Medic]

The big bang theory, as being explained by those "scientists" is sadly lacking in one thing. Not one of their theories can explain where the matter came from to explode.

It is quite possible that the Universe DID begin with a "Big Bang". But, nothing can possibly come out of absolutely nothing. The primordial material that exploded in the big bang had to have come out of something. So, absent God, just where did that material come from?

 

[TenPenny]

It was energy.

 

[Cliffy]

It was energy.

Energy is the basic foundation of everything. Quantum physics is beginning to wonder if matter exists without an observer.

 

[darkbeaver]

Try for the literal version over the mythological one. A God that tells great stories is not worth worship, one who actually does great deeds is worth it once He is actually present and accounted for via living proof of what power actually means. Enjoy your glasses of wine.QUOTE]


The sun is gods agent in these parts. The son is of the sun, both radiant omnipotent light, one for the mind one for the matter. Try passing on that truth for ten thousand years without the power and longevity of myth. Near the end of the second century the present church took the literal road over the esoteric and became christianism where it had been Christianity. The difference being christianism was the vulgar literalism favoured during that period of mass appeal to crush all the esoteric schools and impose the myth instead of the hidden truth. This resulted directly in the sacking and burning of the great schools and libraries of antiquity and birthed the dark ages. The last fifteen hundred years have been a tragic mistake of manifold crimes of unfathomable cruelty and brutality steeped in the base ignorance of literal scriptural teaching. A learned person knows Christ every second of the day , the ignorant must wait eternally, so despite the mindless preaching of the priest Christ is exclusive to those who will help themselves to see, the rest wallow in christianism and don't even suspect genuine original Christianity. The dark ages and the inquisition virtually exterminated Christians.

"He...hanged the Earth upon nothing." / Job 26:7 / Literally, that can't be done so the earth must be hung on something we cannot readily see but know must be there. Taken literally the student learns nothing but the use of a little reason and she learns of the unseen but real bearing of the earth. Christianity taught reason, it was a great school of the first science, philosophy. If we don't learn philosophy we will learn nothing of importance. A god who can't tell a great story isn't worth listening to.

 

[Goober]

Bible’s stories.

Old Bible story:
"He...hanged the Earth upon nothing." / Job 26:7 /

New Bible story:
According to the many scientific experts however,
space didn't exist prior to the Big Bang.
It is possible to say,
"He...hanged the Big Bang upon nothing."
==.
Isn’t this situation strange?
But if we think that ‘nothing’ is a Reference Frame
( for example – Vacuum) then the situation will be more practicable.
=====.
Socratus.

So how would you explain it to a person of that time. What refernces would you have in common that he could relate to and understand. So he hanged it upon nothing is something that he could relate to could he not?

 

[MHz]

A god who can't tell a great story isn't worth listening to.

A God who doesn't pull people from out of the grave (rather than sending them there before their natural time) isn't worth following.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... nothing can possibly come out of absolutely nothing.

At the quantum level it happens all the time.

The primordial material that exploded in the big bang had to have come out of something.

Not necessarily, it could have been a quantum fluctuation that came out of nothing. Theory indicates the net energy content of the universe is zero, and that nothingness is unstable, something will form out of it that will still add up to nothing, but in the meantime there'll be positive and negative somethings like what we see around us. And in order for critters like us to exist to wonder about things, the somethings must have certain properties. There might have been a boolagazillion Big Bangs and they might still be going on, producing universes with different properties, with only a few, or maybe only one, with properties suitable for life. We don't know yet, just accept it and wait for better answers to be discovered.

So, absent God, just where did that material come from?

Invoking a deity doesn't explain anything, because then you have to explain where the deity came from. If you're going to argue that he was always present, you might as well just say the material was always present, it explains the complex and difficult problem of origins just as well as the god hypothesis, without invoking something (the deity) that's even more complex and difficult to understand than the problem it's intended to explain.

 

[darkbeaver]

A God who doesn't pull people from out of the grave (rather than sending them there before their natural time) isn't worth following.QUOTE]

People, minds, souls do not go into graves only the corrupting meat is buried.

 

[MHz]

Okay, so what does a person do when they don't have hands?

Job:14:14:
If a man die, shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Job:14:15:
Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

 

[darkbeaver]

Okay, so what does a person do when they don't have hands?

Job:14:14:
If a man die, shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Job:14:15:
Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

What are hands but extensions of the mind/spirit. All work without exception is done by the mind. The meat and bone fools you. The meat is one of the veils.

At the quantum level it happens all the time. Not necessarily, it could have been a quantum fluctuation that came out of nothing. Theory indicates the net energy content of the universe is zero, and that nothingness is unstable, something will form out of it that will still add up to nothing, but in the meantime there'll be positive and negative somethings like what we see around us. And in order for critters like us to exist to wonder about things, the somethings must have certain properties. There might have been a boolagazillion Big Bangs and they might still be going on, producing universes with different properties, with only a few, or maybe only one, with properties suitable for life. We don't know yet, just accept it and wait for better answers to be discovered. Invoking a deity doesn't explain anything, because then you have to explain where the deity came from. If you're going to argue that he was always present, you might as well just say the material was always present, it explains the complex and difficult problem of origins just as well as the god hypothesis, without invoking something (the deity) that's even more complex and difficult to understand than the problem it's intended to explain.

The deity and the place of origin are one and the same.

 

[Spade]

Some believe the Bible reveals the unerring truth about our insignificant planet; some others believe Earth sits on the back of a giant turtle. Six of one, half a dozen of another.

 

[socratus]

Energy is the basic foundation of everything.
Quantum physics is beginning to wonder if matter exists without an observer.

‘ It is important to realize that in physics today,
we have no knowledge of what energy is.
We do not have a picture that energy comes in little
blobs of a definite amount. ‘
( Feynman. 1987)

 

[Spade]

‘ It is important to realize that in physics today,
we have no knowledge of what energy is.
We do not have a picture that energy comes in little
blobs of a definite amount. ‘
( Feynman. 1987)

The sum of everything (including energy) is zero. We exist only as thoughts of Gawd.

 

[Cliffy]

The sum of everything (including energy) is zero. We exist only as thoughts of Gawd.

If we are a figment of Gawd's imagination, he seriously has a few screws loose.

 

[MHz]

There might have been a boolagazillion Big Bangs and they might still be going on, producing universes with different properties, with only a few, or maybe only one, with properties suitable for life.

Over the existence of stars in our universe some material will end up being in at least two stars and perhaps many more before the expansion is so vast that stars just can't be made anymore. In that case a multi-verse would be the only way for a big-bang to occur for the same matter that makes up this universe, it would be a accumulation of matter from many big-bangs just like a new star is the result of matter coming together from many stars that have exploded.

One other possibility is our increasing speed of expansion is caused by some internal properties (other than gravity)and at some point the trend will reverse itself. Heat causes expansion in-spite of gravitational forces and the existence of stars shows that some areas of the universe is hot and that should result in a force that desires to expand, fast forward to a time when our current expansion has reached a point that new stars are no longer being made and the universe would be considered to be cooler which should create a desire for it to contract. There would be a 'time delay' in the expansion and contraction so that the contraction would continue past the point that would be optimal for the amount of mass so it 'over-heats' and an explosion results and a repeatable cycle starts again.

With either method being possible the timescale for each bang would mean our 13B year existence would be equal to the time it takes for a twinkle in an eye to happen compared to the lifetime of a person, say 120 years just so there is a scale of some sort.

 

[Cliffy]

Time is a human invention. Everything happens simultaneously. This is the big bang. The universe is expanding because we are in the big bang. Gawd had a thought. We are it. A flash in the pan.