Beyond Impeachment

[I think not]

thanks for the info ITN. Can a prez be asked to resign, if he cannot be "removed" from office??? What circumstances must prevail for a Prez to be "removed" from office. ??

(thanks in advance.)

The President can be removed from office through the process of impeachment. If the House of Representatives feel that the President has committed acts of "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors" they can impeach him with a majority vote. An impeachment is very similar to a legal indictment. It is not a conviction, however, and not enough to remove the President from office alone.

The case then goes to the Senate. Overseen by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the Senate reviews the case and votes whether or not to convict the President. If they vote in favor of conviction by a two-thirds margin, then the President is removed from office.

As for resignation, he's too pompous and arrogant for such a humble act. But yes, political pressure can force him to resign.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

thanks for the info ITN. Can a prez be asked to resign, if he cannot be "removed" from office??? What circumstances must prevail for a Prez to be "removed" from office. ??

(thanks in advance.)

The President can be removed from office through the process of impeachment. If the House of Representatives feel that the President has committed acts of "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors" they can impeach him with a majority vote. An impeachment is very similar to a legal indictment. It is not a conviction, however, and not enough to remove the President from office alone.

The case then goes to the Senate. Overseen by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the Senate reviews the case and votes whether or not to convict the President. If they vote in favor of conviction by a two-thirds margin, then the President is removed from office.

As for resignation, he's too pompous and arrogant for such a humble act. But yes, political pressure can force him to resign.

thanks much. It would appear that a case can be made......and yet one has to wonder what is preventing that from happening or if it is being obstructed in some way. The system itself sounds solid enough.

(Agree, he is too arrogant to even consider such a move. In his mind he makes no mistakes......let alone apologize . This is what makes him a bit scary too. Scary as in not sure what "reality" he lives in. He is very stubborn too and has to have HIS way about things. (whether he gets it or not).....(IMHO)

take treason for eg. One could say he is a traitor to the US population and the constitution . Bribery. Would not be a surprise as he is very manipulative .
HIgh Crimes and misdemeanors: Lying in order to invade a far off nation.......would qualify. But then some will get into : did he do it deliberately and with "intent" -knowingly ( in my view : Yes) .....but that alone is subject to interpretation.

 

[I think not]

thanks much. It would appear that a case can be made......and yet one has to wonder what is preventing that from happening or if it is being obstructed in some way. The system itself sounds solid enough.

Kenneth Star is a Republican f*ckhole, thats what.

EDIT: I made the reference to Kenneth Star, becuase the Dems don't resort to such ludicrous slandor for the sake of getting rid of the President. They don't have a Kenneth Star to spew lies, they need hard evidence. And they don't have it.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

thanks much. It would appear that a case can be made......and yet one has to wonder what is preventing that from happening or if it is being obstructed in some way. The system itself sounds solid enough.

Kenneth Star is a Republican f*ckhole, thats what.

Tell me more about how K.Star factors in this scenario. Interested in the dynamics here. (thanks)

 

[peapod]

Alrighty then, I am not sure what is going on here, and I am not going to bother to figure it out either, I have bats to watch.

Now lets not start bashing american citizens. We have no idea what we would do if we were in their shoes, we can say what we think we might do, but reality is a different matter.

Stick to bush and his government. Now I would like to eat my cherry garcia "small bucket" of ice cream and watch the bats..Blah!

 

[I think not]

thanks much. It would appear that a case can be made......and yet one has to wonder what is preventing that from happening or if it is being obstructed in some way. The system itself sounds solid enough.

Kenneth Star is a Republican f*ckhole, thats what.

Tell me more about how K.Star factors in this scenario. Interested in the dynamics here. (thanks)

Sorry I was being sarcastic out of frustration. I edited above.

 

[mrmom2]

Podifer where have you been :? Working the hubbly bubbly again I thought you had gone on your fishing trip 8O

 

[Ocean Breeze]

thanks much. It would appear that a case can be made......and yet one has to wonder what is preventing that from happening or if it is being obstructed in some way. The system itself sounds solid enough.

Kenneth Star is a Republican f*ckhole, thats what.

Tell me more about how K.Star factors in this scenario. Interested in the dynamics here. (thanks)

Sorry I was being sarcastic out of frustration. I edited above.

no problem.(understand the frustration part :wink: I think I just figured out how he factors in. He was instrumental in previous impeachment hearings wasn't he?? ( I knew the name sounded familiar , and just remembered. Agree, he is one big jerk.

and yes, it is very true ( from what I perceive) that the repubs sure play dirty in comparison to the Dems. (relatively speaking :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Alrighty then, I am not sure what is going on here, and I am not going to bother to figure it out either, I have bats to watch.

Now lets not start bashing american citizens. We have no idea what we would do if we were in their shoes, we can say what we think we might do, but reality is a different matter.

Stick to bush and his government. Now I would like to eat my cherry garcia "small bucket" of ice cream and watch the bats..Blah!

dear dear peapod. :wink: what is going on here is a good discussion about the impeachment PROCESS . How it works etc (and lots of learning about same for YT .......thanks to ITN )

 

[I think not]

no problem. I think I just figured out how he factors in. He was instrumental in previous impeachment hearings wasn't he?? ( I knew the name sounded familiar , and just remembered. Agree, he is one big jerk.

Yes, he was very instrumental. During the Whitewater hearings on Clinton. Of course no evidence was ever presented, it was all a big show.

and yes, it is very true ( from what I perceive) that the repubs sure play dirty in comparison to the Dems. (relatively speaking :wink:

Well politics are a very dirty business. They all lie and cheat to get what they want. On occassion a thunderbolt hits them and they throw scraps to the people. I'll take Dems dirty play over Republicans any day. Especially under this President. He is by far the worst President this country has ever seen, and in my opinion has disgraced the Presidency completely.

 

[peapod]

Well if you must know...I been hobbling around.. all day..I went to a beach party that my baristias from starbucks were throwing, I always gets to go, as I am the most valued customer, mostly coz I gots the mojo happening. 8)
Well I got crashed into playing volleyball :twisted: her big arse landed on me knee..I had a hell of time gettin my knee back out to :? :? :?

 

[mrmom2]

That sounds like it hurt 8O You know when we gets to this age sports are not the best things ta be a playing

 

[Ocean Breeze]

no problem. I think I just figured out how he factors in. He was instrumental in previous impeachment hearings wasn't he?? ( I knew the name sounded familiar , and just remembered. Agree, he is one big jerk.

Yes, he was very instrumental. During the Whitewater hearings on Clinton. Of course no evidence was ever presented, it was all a big show.

and yes, it is very true ( from what I perceive) that the repubs sure play dirty in comparison to the Dems. (relatively speaking :wink:

Well politics are a very dirty business. They all lie and cheat to get what they want. On occassion a thunderbolt hits them and they throw scraps to the people. I'll take Dems dirty play over Republicans any day. Especially under this President. He is by far the worst President this country has ever seen, and in my opinion has disgraced the Presidency completely.

Politics IS dirty business.........but it gets to the point of how dirty is too dirty. (and too obvious) Totally agree about taking the Dems "dirtiness" over the Repubs down and dirty style. I don't think I have ever watched as grimy, nasty US election as the last one. It was really SAD to watch this kind of crap being played out .....particularly when the world was watching this election. It portrayed the US political style as almost barbaric (all that was missing was fangs and blood ) (with hi tech equipment) The prelude to the election impacted the US image too. I guess , perhaps naively , I expected (along with many others) a lot more dignity and class. Yes, bush has damaged the Presidency , and it might be irreversible.......UNTIL some new blood comes in , that has a lot more sense, intelligence ,and political finesse.

 

[mrmom2]

Nothing will change the Dems and the Repubs are on the same team just different `rhetoric .Kerry would still be in Iraq now and you would have had a draft by now too :wink:

 

[I think not]

Politics IS dirty business.........but it gets to the point of how dirty is too dirty. (and too obvious) Totally agree about taking the Dems "dirtiness" over the Repubs down and dirty style. I don't think I have ever watched as grimy, nasty US election as the last one. It was really SAD to watch this kind of crap being played out .....particularly when the world was watching this election. It portrayed the US political style as almost barbaric (with hi tech equipment) The prelude to the election impacted the US image too. I guess , perhaps naively , I expected (along with many others) a lot more dignity and class. Yes, bush has damaged the Presidency , and it might be irreversible.......UNTIL some new blood comes in , that has a lot more sense, intelligence ,and political finesse.

I wouldn't mind saying Madam President to Billy's wife in 2009.
I'm just wondering WHO will be under the desk in the oval office 8O

 

[mrmom2]

Please tell me you r not thnking of Hillary ITN 8O Because she is owned by the same people that own Bush

 

[peapod]

dear dear ocean :wink: Actually, and I cannot believe I have to do this 8O because we are both on the same side, but when you post this kind of thing:

"the question this continues to raise is: How come the US population is so complacent /tolerant of the current Regime.??? The other is : Is the US population to frightened to ask the hard questions due to what the answers might be?? .......Would this might blow up their little delusional bubble of superiority , and create havoc in their collective comfort zone??

Or does the current Regime represent who USers are now??? Corrupt, deceitful, dishonest, with the entire focus being the botton line...( no matter the ethics, morals or standard OR LAW.)"

Call me crazy, but it seem a bit inciteful to me. I could be wrong, its just my opinion. But it seems very un-canadian to me. Just my 2 cents worth. Confusing indeed, since I am anti bush, and anti american government.

 

[I think not]

Please tell me you r not thnking of Hillary ITN 8O Because she is owned by the same people that own Bush

Well look, I admit you never know, but, I did meet her actually once and she seemed like a cool chick. Plus she helped NY alot after 9/11 so I'm a bit biased. However, if she does run, I doubt she will win, especially in the red states. They prefer Laura the Queen bitch type.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Politics IS dirty business.........but it gets to the point of how dirty is too dirty. (and too obvious) Totally agree about taking the Dems "dirtiness" over the Repubs down and dirty style. I don't think I have ever watched as grimy, nasty US election as the last one. It was really SAD to watch this kind of crap being played out .....particularly when the world was watching this election. It portrayed the US political style as almost barbaric (with hi tech equipment) The prelude to the election impacted the US image too. I guess , perhaps naively , I expected (along with many others) a lot more dignity and class. Yes, bush has damaged the Presidency , and it might be irreversible.......UNTIL some new blood comes in , that has a lot more sense, intelligence ,and political finesse.

I wouldn't mind saying Madam President to Billy's wife in 2009.
I'm just wondering WHO will be under the desk in the oval office 8O

I wouldn't mind at all ......seeing Billy's wife in office. A LOT Of potential , savvy in that lady. Smart too. (and I don't care who is under her desk while she is there. That is her personal business , just as Billy's was. Has nothing to do with leadership skills and capability. Heck , liasons are part of the Presidential role......as one looks back through history. Big deal. Bush has failed in that dept too. :wink:

 

[bulldog]

let's see now. The topic is Beyond impeachment. The person in question is Bush. The USers voted bush in for two terms. Meanwhile ITN .....continues to play word games and spin things , so as to deflect from the topic on hand. There are plenty of threads appropriate to Cdn content and critique without bringing up Canada as a weak /pitiful defense for the sleeze the US has in office. One can only interpret these word games / manipulation as a defense of the bush regime. Why not come out and say so. ?? Word manipulation just does not cut it and is transparent as he**. :roll: It is also the tactic the bush regime (that should be impeached and tried for war crimes ) uses with monotonous regularity.

either make a case for impeachment and war crimes tribunal or support him.

Let's see now. The topic is Beyond Impeachment and yet Ocean Breeze continues to bash Americans to justify her pitiful superior morality complex. Her logic suggests that since Americans do not somehow overthrow Bush then we must all be war mongering people. And yet when she has repeatedly been confronted with the same questions regarding the Brits and Aussies, she somehow avoids answering and screams OFF topic.

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But during the process of expressing your distorted morality, don't expect me to sit back and not comment. If you are capable of passing such judgement, you are implying that you are above everyone you criticise. But alas you cannot be selective in your criticisms. The Brits re-elected a warmongering leader that has brainwashed his people. Oh yeah his ratings have gone up by the way. Same for the Skips. They must enjoy killing babies if the re-elected Howard.

As for your comments that I'm spinning, if you would try to stay on topic and not stray off with your accusations, it will be easier to comment on "Beyond Impeachment".

And finally, I have never supported Bush, but I am neither obsessed nor narrow-minded and look a bit beyond certain things. Do I think he should be impeached? Yeah. But Cheney will take over, so whats the point?

Keep it up though, and as long as I can, I'll be here to remind you how "distorted" your morality is.

You know what? I'll be at your side to provide a little more balance in this discussion. Hatred aimed at the Americans is a waste. In my experience, Americans in general don't hate Canada. So you throw all that hatred at the US, and it serves no purpose. Instead it bounces back and reflects badly on us.

Bull Dog

Oh :!: Bull Dog. :!: Who in heck "hates" Americans. Just because some of us are a tad "vocal" about their current regime and wonder how an ordinarily intelligent people would re-elect this gang into office is also expressing concern for Americans. What their regime does has a ripple effect around the world. This has NOTHING To do with "hate" but everything to do with concerns about the direction that the US regime has taken. Even if "we" bash this regime.......does not imply "hatred".-sheesh. That is highly presumptuous ...... and in keeping with black/white thinking modality. Very disappointing to see this kind of interpretation.

Well, you could have fooled me. How about this statement from Moghrabi? "This would definitely make the US look the ass it is plus the stench that comes with the ass."

And this one just above, "If you believe Americans are assholes and that somehow justifies your complex, that is fine by me, you are beyond help and reason, not to mention obsessed. You have accused an entire population of being nothing more than dirt, sheeple, idiots, intolerant, warmongers and I won't continue because a page will not be enough."

There are scads of horrid statements about the American public on this forum. I still stand by what I said: Such a nasty outpouring is only going to be foolhardy and embarrassing in the long run. Time would be must better spent in trying to understand what has happened and why.

Bull Dog