Beware the oil company-funded naysayers
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Y'know? I think people are confused between weather and climate. Also they seem to have a hard time thinking that there can be a record cold spot while the average temp for the planet can still go up.
It would be, if it were to be phased in, not thrust upon us.
I've taken the extreme other side here, because the left elitists, that want to thrust their socialist agenda on us, have swallowed the GHG Koolaid and everything, that contradicts their ivory ideals, is crap.
But they are not all being addressed with the same vigor.
The "man made" GHG gang, has hung the bullseye on the oil industry and western economy. That's a targetted attack.
What if you hug trees, but like to hump stock options? What does that make ya?
since there's no way for us to know, wouldn't it be best to try to cut down on pollution (emission of things which may or may not be GHG's but definately ARE nasty and smelly and dirty) anyway?
I know it's a simplistic look on things but honestly there's no point making it all complex and interlinked and labelling everyone either an eco-marxist socialist pig or a leftist-amnarcosyndiclist-frogbiter and expecting that to explain it all to everyone. it smacks of name-calling to me.
I know it's a simplistic look on things but honestly there's no point making it all complex and interlinked and labelling everyone either an eco-marxist socialist pig or a leftist-amnarcosyndiclist-frogbiter and expecting that to explain it all to everyone. it smacks of name-calling to me.
Great idea. Lets start addressing global pollution. Not just the bit that is the center piece of the western economy. Then I'll believe the actions of the pro AGW crowd are altruistic and not malicious.
I'd never believe anyone involved in politics is altruistic. But that doesnt mean that sometimes what they want to fight for (for whatever sick twisted reason) doesnt coincide with what's good for the world
Eight or ten years of highly technical research by top scientists from about a hundred and thirty countries is not "cool aid". They will be publishing all the data so that everything can be checked by other scientists. Lenin might have called those people who laugh off the IPCC report before it is published as, "useless idiots", but who listens to Lenin?
When one side 'GHG scientists' call the other side 'NGW scientists' names and tries to discredit them at all costs there is a big problem. They do this because they are afraid that they cannot defend their propaganda in a fair discussion. If they only spoke about eliminating pollution each country would be more or less responsible for their own mess. However with global warming they incorporate all the industrial nations. By doing it this way they will have better control over our lives, it has already begun.
Forget GHG it is a crock! Attack pollution and our lives will be improved and a lot of sickness will be eliminated. Ask yourself why have they targeted GHG instead of pollution?
Pollution is the industrial world's problem not GHG!
Forget GHG it is a crock! Attack pollution and our lives will be improved and a lot of sickness will be eliminated. Ask yourself why have they targeted GHG instead of pollution?
Pollution is the industrial world's problem not GHG!
Have any of the scienstists ever said what the temperature of the earth is supposed to be? Is there a "right" temperature?
Or is this little detail ignored in the bigger panic that the Goreacle is leading?
Or is this little detail ignored in the bigger panic that the Goreacle is leading?
It's no wonder people can't see the forrest for the trees. What with all the crap there is out there.
The greenhouse gas can be explained simplest by some principles from grade 11 biology (not like the Oregon stuff
There is this fantastic relationship called the carbon cycle. For millions of years now, there has been a system working to keep excess nutrients in check, or if you'd like pollution. The whole food web works on these principles of nutrient cycling. Now, true the greenhouse gases have fluctuated over the many eons of time, true they have been higher than they are now. Those times were long ago, geologically active periods where the earth was spitting out more than the vegetation, microbes and animals could handle.
Jump to today. Not geologically active, depleting natural carbon storage systems, and burning stored carbon which has been in the earth for millions of years. Normally when an animal or plant dies, the microbes get to work and close off the carbon cycle, with minimal left overs. When animals and plants die quickly, faster than the microbes can work, they pile up and you get fossil fuels after millions of years being covered by rock and heating. What we are doing is taking that excess carbon dioxide, which was removed from the cycle long ago, and we are adding it to our present day system in a way that natural processes cannot deal with.
Yes, pollution is a problem. Even too much of a good thing can be a problem. Nitrogen fertilizers runing off into water, that's pollution. Carbon dioxide,monoxide and methane emissions from industry, that is pollution.
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The normal temperature? Well that depends on your context. Before greenhouse gases? Like moon temperatures? During the geologically active periods when dinosaurs trampled the earth? Much warmer. The earth isn't static. Changes happen all the time in a period of 4.5 Billion years.
there shouldn't be any fighting (except maybe among scientists) about this issue.
It doesnt matter what the problem is, the solution is the same. What should be happening is that emissions of things which may be given either label should be reduced, and we should should be more sensible about our resources.
You do realize that you are trying to talk science to idiots. People like Walter and Gilgamesh look out the window and if it is snowing then it is proof of global cooling.
Yeah. he should be doing yours.
At least YOU would all be better off.
LOL, the guy who has to use faked statistics (like the movie "Inconvenient truth" cannot legally be shown as a documentary, because it has NO truth in it!!!) to make a point, is championing science.
lol!
Now, THAT'S funny right there!
OK! Let's do some science bub!!!!
"Other Planets Influence Earth's Climate, University Of Toronto Scientist Says
A University of Toronto professor says a better understanding of the Earth's climate requires a better understanding of the interaction between the planet's geophysical processes and the dynamics of the Solar System as a whole.
In an article published in Dec. 18 issue of Nature magazine, U of T physicist Jerry Mitrovica and Allessandro Forte of the Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris use numerical simulations to show the connection between Earth's changing shape and the gravitational effects of other bodies in the Solar System, particularly Jupiter and Saturn.
"We're showing for the first time that changes in the Earth's shape, when coupled with the gravitational effects from other planets, can produce large changes in the Earth's climate," Mitrovica says."
University Of Toronto. "Other Planets Influence Earth's Climate, University Of Toronto Scientist Says." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 18 December 1997. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/12/971218090305.htm .
Commies are so stu....science, lol!
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Since my entire working life has been spent in science and engineering, you have broken my heart;-)
Our climate has been steadily warming since we came out of the ice age 18,000 years ago.
During that time there have been at least 2 periods when the climate was warmer than today.
These were the Holocene and the MWO (Medieval warming optimum 800A.D-1300A.D). Both were more than a couple of centuries long the latter resulting in the colonization of Greenland (which had become really green!). BTW Suzuki originally tried to erase the MWO out of existence. Ditto Mann of Penn State -he of the laughable hockey stick rubbish.
Dishonesty like that and many others should give anyone reason to question things.
In the late 1700's we experienced the Maunder Minimum aka. Little Ice Age. The Thames froze over, they had fairs on the Ice etc. In revolutionary U.S, Washington had cannons slid across the Potomac!
Try that today!
Both the cool and warm periods were pre-industrial.
Climate changes and there is nothing unusual happening today except for the increased population living on flood plains & covering natural drainage areas with concrete.
The last 20 years have experienced NO warming, a fact which no supercomputer model ever predicted.
The IPCC which has been the gold standard 'go to' for all alarmists has been consistently wrong for decades,recently admitted that climate is too complex to be predicted! Maybe their grant money ran outout?
CO2 levels have been both higher during glacial periods, and lower during warmer periods. Look it up.
The largest GHG is water vapour which accounts for 95-98% of global warming (otherwise we wouldnt exist).
The remaining 2% breaks down thus. 1.8% volcanoes,geysers, forest fires etc. The 0.2% seems to be anthropogenic but is too small to be accurately accounted for.
Kyoto & Paris Accord were unworkable in that implementation would have destroyed society (which admittedly some nutters favour).
Kyoto in Canada could have only been accomplished by shutting off all trains and autos or grounding all planes & fossil fuel plants.
Paris Accord is similar which is why no nations are actually going to follow it.
People who believe, or profess to believe this straw man can IMO be placed in three categories.
First, the majority who believe damn near anything on TV. In the case of CAGW an abysmal lack of basic science education is also to blame.
Next, the scientists, bureaucrats, who see funding and increased taxes as a wonderful career path.
BTW, yes indeed scentists csn be just as dishonest as any other group when it comes to surviving.
Media also delight in exaggeration and sometimes outright lies (if it bleeds,it leads).
Last the Marxists, anarchists and other lunatics who are against everything in the West.
They are a small group but they are noisy and prone to violence.