Benghazi scandal tied to White House

[BornRuff]

Yes BR... the right does not care about the deaths of our soldiers in Iraq.

The right is pretty weak in terms of assigning blame for those deaths.

There have been major consequences on the right from the Second Iraq War. The base of the conservative/libertarian movement has become isolationist. This is a profound change.

I do agree that Obama should receive the same treatment as GWB. He should be held accountable.

Sure, but the reaction should be proportional to the crime. The consequences of the lies about Iraq are literally billions of times more costly, yet the right tolerated all sorts of lies to cover up the original lies and subsequent failures in order to get Bush reelected.

 

[EagleSmack]

The right is pretty weak in terms of assigning blame for those deaths.



Sure, but the reaction should be proportional to the crime. The consequences of the lies about Iraq are literally billions of times more costly, yet the right tolerated all sorts of lies to cover up the original lies and subsequent failures in order to get Bush reelected.

Lies or poor intelligence?

The Bush Administration should never have hung their hat one one reason for going into Iraq. They could have listed 100. They chose to list one because they thought there were WMDs. The Democrats agreed with the administration and voted along side of the President. So there is PLENTY of blame to go around with regards to sticking only with poor intelligence on the WMDs and making that the only reason.

They probably should have done what Obama did in Libya... give no good reason and just do it without Congressional approval.

 

[BornRuff]

Lies or poor intelligence?

The Bush Administration should never have hung their hat one one reason for going into Iraq. They could have listed 100. They chose to list one because they thought there were WMDs. The Democrats agreed with the administration and voted along side of the President. So there is PLENTY of blame to go around with regards to sticking only with poor intelligence on the WMDs and making that the only reason.

They probably should have done what Obama did in Libya... give no good reason and just do it without Congressional approval.

So when the president and his top staffers personally argue for a certain decision that ends up being disastrously stupid, you are happy to shift blame down the chain of command.

When Benghazi happens, something that top white house staff would have had no involvement in until after the incident happened, all of a sudden all blame goes right to the top?

 

[EagleSmack]

So when the president and his top staffers personally argue for a certain decision that ends up being disastrously stupid, you are happy to shift blame down the chain of command.

When Benghazi happens, something that top white house staff would have had no involvement in until after the incident happened, all of a sudden all blame goes right to the top?

They are all of our leaders and they all bit on the poor intelligence. Well most all of them. My own Democrat Congressman voted along side Bush as well. The Administration and the GOP did pay for it. The GOP got flushed from Congress because of it and Bush became a lame duck after that. Although I didn't like it I knew the GOP did deserve it. And as the Democrats proved... they were the proverbial "dog catching the bus".

And the White House Staff did know what was going on as it was going on and gave the order to stand down. And in the aftermath they lied to limit the impact on the Presidential Campaign.

 

[BornRuff]

They are all of our leaders and they all bit on the poor intelligence. Well most all of them. My own Democrat Congressman voted along side Bush as well. The Administration and the GOP did pay for it. The GOP got flushed from Congress because of it and Bush became a lame duck after that. Although I didn't like it I knew the GOP did deserve it. And as the Democrats proved... they were the proverbial "dog catching the bus".

And the White House Staff did know what was going on as it was going on and gave the order to stand down. And in the aftermath they lied to limit the impact on the Presidential Campaign.

I know I am not going to convince you, but this is exactly the attitude I am talking about.

You very easily pass the buck on this enormous mistake that cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars, but harp endlessly on about this one other incident just because of the political stripe of the guy in office.

 

[pgs]

I know I am not going to convince you, but this is exactly the attitude I am talking about.

You very easily pass the buck on this enormous mistake that cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars, but harp endlessly on about this one other incident just because of the political stripe of the guy in office.

You sir are a sick person .
There is a big difference between declaring war and being attacked .
The U.S.A. was under attack and the administration gave the order to stand down.
The resulting lose of life is squarely in the hands of this administration .


The Iraq war was just that a war and not only Americans participated .
Even us Canadians sent support in our navy , although Cretin wouldn't sign on to the war . He did support it .

 

[EagleSmack]

I know I am not going to convince you, but this is exactly the attitude I am talking about.

You very easily pass the buck on this enormous mistake that cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars, but harp endlessly on about this one other incident just because of the political stripe of the guy in office.

Ok then... because of Iraq we should ignore Benghazi.

 

[BornRuff]

You sir are a sick person .
There is a big difference between declaring war and being attacked .
The U.S.A. was under attack and the administration gave the order to stand down.
The resulting lose of life is squarely in the hands of this administration .


The Iraq war was just that a war and not only Americans participated .
Even us Canadians sent support in our navy , although Cretin wouldn't sign on to the war . He did support it .

There was no "stand down" order ever given. That has been confirmed in numerous investigations into this incident.

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/benghazi2014/benghazi.pdf

Yes, a war is different than an attack. A war is much more deliberate and premeditated. This is a war that the previous administration sold to America and its allies based on assertions that were categorically false. Thousands of lives were lost and trillions of dollars were spent based on this lie.

But apparently that is no big deal.

 

[Locutus]

shillary should be dry-shaved for her ignorant remark alone. nevermind all the dodging and bullsh!t that carney et all spun about some video.

 

[BornRuff]

Ok then... because of Iraq we should ignore Benghazi.

You should give issues the appropriate amount of attention. Benghazi is a drum that some people on the right refuse to stop playing no matter how many investigations are conducted.

It is clear that they don't have any motivation in mind other than trying to pin something on the Obama administration before the midterm elections.

It is disgusting to use the loss of people's lives as a political gimmick.

 

[pgs]

There was no "stand down" order ever given. That has been confirmed in numerous investigations into this incident.

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/benghazi2014/benghazi.pdf

Yes, a war is different than an attack. A war is much more deliberate and premeditated. This is a war that the previous administration sold to America and its allies based on assertions that were categorically false. Thousands of lives were lost and trillions of dollars were spent based on this lie.

But apparently that is no big deal.

Yes and the thousands of lives being lost prior to the Allied invasion is no matter they were just Kurds and other minorities .

 

[BornRuff]

shillary should be dry-shaved for her ignorant remark alone. nevermind all the dodging and bullsh!t that carney et all spun about some video.

See, this is what I am talking about. Nobody really seems to care about the people who died. They just want to drone on endlessly about politicians that they don't like, who had essentially zero impact on how these people died.

 

[EagleSmack]

It is disgusting to use the loss of people's lives as a political gimmick.

Now THAT is hilarious! Just look at the 2006 Congressional Mid-Terms. According to your line of thinking the dead in Iraq was a political gimmick for the Democrats.

 

[BornRuff]

Yes and the thousands of lives being lost prior to the Allied invasion is no matter they were just Kurds and other minorities .

Did invading Iraq actually reduce the number of innocent people killed in Iraq?

 

[EagleSmack]

See, this is what I am talking about. Nobody really seems to care about the people who died. They just want to drone on endlessly about politicians that they don't like, who had essentially zero impact on how these people died.

It IS about the people that died. Don't you get it?

You're just swallowing the party line that this is only political.

 

[Locutus]

See, this is what I am talking about. Nobody really seems to care about the people who died. They just want to drone on endlessly about politicians that they don't like, who had essentially zero impact on how these people died.

You're an idiot, or worse, ignorant.

We've covered this all before in the various Benghazi threads. Search and read 'em before shooting your mouth off kid.

 

[pgs]

Did invading Iraq actually reduce the number of innocent people killed in Iraq?

Yes .

 

[BornRuff]

Now THAT is hilarious! Just look at the 2006 Congressional Mid-Terms. According to your line of thinking the dead in Iraq was a political gimmick for the Democrats.

No, that was an active war that was causing ongoing casualties. Political change could very well change the number of people who died.

This is a 2 year old incident, and the issues that people are focusing on have nothing to do with keeping people safe or preventing future incidents.

Yes .

Estimates of civilian casualties in the Iraq War are as high as 120,000 civilians.

 

[Locutus]

"dude, that was like two years ago". :lol:

 

[BornRuff]

You're an idiot, or worse, ignorant.

We've covered this all before in the various Benghazi threads. Search and read 'em before shooting your mouth off kid.

Lol, if you can't tell me why I am wrong, that is your problem.

It IS about the people that died. Don't you get it?

You're just swallowing the party line that this is only political.

How do talking points for a Sunday news program after the people died affect the people who died?