MarkMayner said:
Yeh I do watch polls but if you read the above post, you will see why it doesn't matter if I do or not.
I was not saying which "move" was best for the conservatives I was saying the liberals shouldn't commit such desperate acts to avoid one.
You have no clue what you're "saying". About anything. You want the harper in because you think he represents "Western Canada" (which one?) which isn't exactly a secret, given that he came right out and said it before the last election, which is exactly why we won't be voting for him. Well, one of many reasons.
Along with people like you who have no clue what they're talking about, which seems to be a trend around "conservative" (around what?) reform-alliance boosters and the party/parties themselves.
MarkMayner said:
It wouldn't be wasting, because ones going to be called this/next year no matter what.
It would be "wasting" just as with all of the time the harper and its harping minions have wasted over lunch money around the Quebec Liberal Party over an advertising campaign that a commission is looking after.
Listening to the "conservatives" holding up some witness in the Gomery commission, in the House of Commons, only to end up with egg on their faces due to contradictory testimony from the same witness (what's next for them, the Micheal Jackson trial?) then switching to another witness, ending up with egg on their faces due to contradictory testimony and they've wasted more of our time and money harping on about a commission that the news media is quite capable of covering wherever any markets exist that care, than the whole advertising campaign was ever worth.
And that was another majority command of the Canadian people -- to get back to work and stop wasting our time and money until Gomery's report is tabled and even then, turn it over to the news media, release it publicly and keep working on anything but election campaigns before an election has even been called.
They've had parliament tied up with none of their business for over a year, shut up, get to work, stop wasting our time and money, it's what commission are for, stop slandering people due to parliamentary priviledge -- say it outside the House and get your arses sued into oblivion if you all feel so strongly about it.
The majority of Canadians are in this:
Windsor-Québec City Corridor, 2001
Ontario Section
10,706,513 93% of Ontario's population
Québec Section
6,327,354 87% of Québec's population
Total Population
17,033,867 57% of Canada's population
Source: Statistics Canada 2001 Census
Note the 6.3 million people in the other section who are interested in the Gomery business, it involves their province and their provincial government, and aside from Montreal, they lined up with the "conservative"-reform-allliance in the Bloc. And vice versa.
So now the harper represents the interests of Quebec separtism all of a sudden? Who cares over political gain that would not have been political gain but losses for the "conservatives" for forcing an election that the majority of Canadians didn't want (next month), over a budget that the majority of Canadians wanted passed, while waiting for Justice Gomery & company to get all of the testimony, sort if out and make a report.
Ontario has 103 of 308 seats (votes) in the House of Commons -- which is hardly a majority. But another thing I've found around alleged "conservatives" is that they can't do basic math -- particularly the party.
And how many of those 103 districts/seats are "conservative" in this alleged singularity of "Ontario"? One less since the only MP they had in south Ontario had to leave the "conservative" reform-alliance party to be able to vote the way her electorate (and Ontario and the majority of Canada -- which is not Ontario, if you passed grade 3 math, which is questionable given that you can't subtract 1 from 9+3 provinces and territories, Ontario minus the other 9 provinces and 3 territories and even said you went back and corrected it and still came up with 9+3=13 -- simply stating a fact, you have provoked all of Ontario with your ridiculous remarks and it's where I live and I don't allow ignorant people without a clue to bash the U.S., Ontario, Québec, "southern" Ontario, "southwest" Ontario, Toronto, Montreal, B.C., ... Alberta if it's coming from outside Canada, the Atlantic Canadas or the territories or anywhere else -- based on ignorance, let alone grade 3 math skills).
The
majority cannot be in whatever you think Ontario is. It accidentally, without knowing who/what a Stephen Harper even was, without knowing what the "reform" or "alliance" were (they never got much coverage here due to irrelevance, other than when they made fools of themselves, which was always when trying to campaign around here, pretending that they knew where they were), voted in more "conservative" MP's, in a protest vote against its provincial Liberals with a big fat red capital L, than any other province in the country; other than the one that spawned them.
And by the way, the above generates over 63% of the GDP of the Canadas, pays 70% of all federal revenues on average and Alberta has paid out a billion dollars less in taxes, the only ones that matter, never to be seen again (its share of the federal debt if it's lucky), than the
City of Toronto alone has paid out, never to be seen again, since the oh so reliable newz media in Alberta started a gripe-fest about how much it had to pay out in taxes starting back in 2000.
Nothing here has ever bothered to compare to Alberta, there's no need to. It's got less than 12% of the GDP of the Canadas and doesn't even have its own law enforcement. Your superior race crap isn't going to cut it around me. I know all of the facts and Alberta is owned by the U.S. and is only good for the supply it needs while it keeps out the crap it doesn't. And all you do is isolate yourselves more and more with the holier than thou speeches that only announce ignorance.
MarkMayner said:
Also I wouldn't say the "MAJORITY" don't want one, that is only in Ontario..Oh I forgot that is basically the Majority.... Theres a reason they dont show alberta polls.
Can you count? How many "conservative" MP's who are figuring out what Harper is and want no part of it, are there from Ontario? Hmm? How many "liberals" and where are they all from along with the independent who used to be a member of the (ya, change the name of the party, and think we're stupid enough to buy it) "Alliance Party of Calgary" I mean north Alberta, I mean most of Alberta aside from Edmonton, Cadman is from where?
"The west" and further west than Alberta is which makes it "better west". More is always better. Metro Vanouver has never voted in a reform-alliance MP either and that is where Cadman is from and he calls himself a "conservative" and if the reform-alliance hadn't kicked him out of the party for not being "conservative enough" (not religious enough, not closed-minded/intolerant so ignorant enough to be discriminatory enouogh to be a "real conservative"; Stampede Town style), well he's the one who tied up the vote.
You do know that there was a vote? In the House of Commons and that they're supposed to be representing the interests of the majority of Canadians, their provinces and their constituents there? Well, there was a vote and it wasn't on talk-radio or whatever you get your "newz" and unknown polls from.
The only poll that mattered on C-78 was called "standing up and being counted" (and named) in the House of Commons, yea then nay.
Had the independent (kicked out of the reform-alliance) conservative Cadman not been an independent, had he not listened to what his electorate/employers wanted, two thirds of them (um, that's 75%, which is a "majority"), then he may have voted nay and there would have been no tie and the government would have crashed against the wishes of the majority of the CANADIAN PEOPLE in scientific polls.
There would have been an election next month that the majority of the CANADIAN PEOPLE did not want next month.
There would have been an election that the majority of Canadians didn't want before the Gomery report was tabled along with 30 days to digest it due to all of the contradictory testimony, that has put so much egg on the faces of the "conservative" reform-alliance.
But even it it were true that no one polled anyone in Alberta, so what? Montreal out-populates Alberta. And which polls? You, as with all alleged "conservatives" (I'm a real one with a capitalist C), are long on unfounded hearsay and parroting "conservative" reform-alliance marketing hype, which could be called lies, and are scoring zero on facts.
No pollster, in any national poll contacted a single person in Alberta? What "Alberta polls" aren't "they" (and who are they, is there something wrong with the usual in Alberta, the Calgary Sun and such?) documenting, I mean "showing"? Showing? Is it some feature presentation on the teevee, in the local town newz?
Were Alberta's ample cows included in the vote? How many said, "Mooo"? It'd be a typical "scientific" poll around the "conservative" reform-alliance. You do know what a scientific poll is don't you? No? A representative sampling of demographic groups? Have you ever been involved in a poll? Or do you just make them up, or think that people calling into local radio and whatever local teevee shows blabbering away amounts to "scientific polling"?
Take your contempt of your delusions of "Ontario" and shove them up your cow's ... nose. Elections are over by the time they hit "Toronto"? Toronto is in the Eastern Standard [or Daylight] Time Zone.
It's where the majority of Canadians live. Were you watching the last general election? Were you jumping for joy when the results from the Atlantic Canadas (oh sorry, you don't get to see those unless you cheat, until 2 hours after I do -- which could also hinder your perception of time) started coming out?
It was quite a kick in the teeth to the newly found PC-reform-alliance. Out of the 32 seats in the Atlantic Canadas, how many ended up "conservative" reform-alliance, how many NDP, how many "liberal"?
Then with all of that work in Quebec, not a single seat again. There used to be a PC seat there. But it was lost due to the merger with the reform-alliance. That's 75 seats/votes gone and the western Canadas only has 92; more than it deserves, 42 more compared to Ontario, or Ontario is short 42 seats.
And how many "liberal" seats in Quebec again? How many yeas on C-78 from Quebec again?
And how many nays from "Ontario"? How many yeas from Alberta and B.C., Saskatchwan and Manitoba?
But if you really think hard, you know that proclaiming yourself to be a "conservative" and bashing "Ontario" without a clue what you're talking about, is the best way to get "Ontario" to vote "conservative".
You should try out for campaign manager of the Ontarios. They'd be sure to pick up more seats if you could only drive the stupidity of Ontarians through their heads more, along with your distain or hatred. It's a sure bet.
