Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet

[bluealberta]

Please sir, tell me how the conservatives are not nice.

Look at their MPs. I have no idea if your wife and you are nice or not. The Conservative party has shown itself to be mean-spirited and nasty time and again though...consider the comments made about Belinda Stronach for defecting ot the long history of gay and minority bashing in the party.

First of all, it was not just conservatives who said things about Barbie Belinda, and what was said was true. The gay issue has been debated to death, SS unions are fine, the traditional definition of marriage is to be maintained as a union between a man and a woman. And please check out the numbers of minorities in the conservative caucus, it has been said it is the youngest and most diverse caucus in parliament. And if you really want nasty comments, go listen to Scotty boy Brisons speech after he was elected and his comments about Alberta and Albertans. Total nasty.

 

[Derry McKinney]

First of all, it was not just conservatives who said things about Barbie Belinda, and what was said was true.

I've seen that web page about "Barbie" Belinda. It is petty, small-minded, immature, and sexist. It is a perfect example of what I mean.

The gay issue has been debated to death, SS unions are fine, the traditional definition of marriage is to be maintained as a union between a man and a woman.

That is inherently prejudiced against gays who wish to be married. You are trying to separate them via legislation.

And please check out the numbers of minorities in the conservative caucus, it has been said it is the youngest and most diverse caucus in parliament.

Did they all have to pay Grewal to get into the country?

Seriously though, look at their immigration policies. Look at their policies for aboriginals. Look at what Harper's advisor has written about natives. Look at their support for racial profiling. Put whatever face on it you want to, but they are putting forth policies with a racial bias.

 

[bluealberta]

First of all, it was not just conservatives who said things about Barbie Belinda, and what was said was true.

I've seen that web page about "Barbie" Belinda. It is petty, small-minded, immature, and sexist. It is a perfect example of what I mean.

The gay issue has been debated to death, SS unions are fine, the traditional definition of marriage is to be maintained as a union between a man and a woman.

That is inherently prejudiced against gays who wish to be married. You are trying to separate them via legislation.

And please check out the numbers of minorities in the conservative caucus, it has been said it is the youngest and most diverse caucus in parliament.

Did they all have to pay Grewal to get into the country?

Seriously though, look at their immigration policies. Look at their policies for aboriginals. Look at what Harper's advisor has written about natives. Look at their support for racial profiling. Put whatever face on it you want to, but they are putting forth policies with a racial bias.

Actually, I have not seen the website you are talking about, I just started calling her that the last day or so.

Here is some interesting points for you to consider, if you are a liberal supporter, courtesy of Licia Corbella, editor of the Calgary Sun.

The Liberals stated over and over again that the budget would have to be passed or the conservatives would kill the gas tax, and the Atlantic Accord. In June, 2003 (not 2004, 2003) a conservative MP moved a motion to share the gas tax with cities and municipalities. The Liberals voted against it. Stephen Harper proposed the original Atlantic Accord during last years election. Martin stole it, and then tried to renege on it, until Danny Williams got his flags in a flap. In November 2004, a conservative motion calling for the implementing of 100% of offshore revenues to Newfoundland and Nova Scotia was voted against by the Liberals in concert with the...gasp... Bloc. On April 6 the Liberals voted against a motion to separate the Atlantic accord in order to ensure immediate passage of the accord, in concert with the...again gasp...Bloc. "And yet voting the same way as the Bloc is the reason Belinda Stronach gave for leaving the Conservatives to join the Liberals."

So please let's not hear about the ethics of Barbie Belindas switch and her desire to help Canada. It was all for her, nothing more. However, she is now in the party that shamelessly lies and steals so maybe she really has gone home. Good riddance.

" ...and now we really have what Canadians supposedly want: another 10 months or so of corrupt, sleazy government so we don't have to be bothered by an election..." (Linda Williamson, editor at the Toronto Sun, May 22, 2005)

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

So are you planning to call Ms. Stronach sexist slurs? I don't like her, find her to be yet another corporate entity searching for political power. She is not "Barbie" though.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo

So are you planning to call Ms. Stronach sexist slurs? I don't like her, find her to be yet another corporate entity searching for political power. She is not "Barbie" though.

You don't honestly think calling her Barbie is sexist, do you? Although, after thinking about it, you may be right. Calling Belinda Barbie is an insult to Barbies all over the world. :twisted:

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

Keep it up, BA. You are showing your true colours.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo

Keep it up, BA. You are showing your true colours.

Given my username, I thought that was fairly obvious, but I guess that may be too subtle for some.

You didn't answer the question. Do you honestly think calling her Barbie is sexist? God, several women have called her that, as have several men.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

I didn't think it required an answer. Given the connotations and the context, yes I do think it is a sexist remark.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo

I didn't think it required an answer. Given the connotations and the context, yes I do think it is a sexist remark.

Okay, fair enough. I would suggest that you are in the minority, however. And given how she acted this week, the name is highly appropriate.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

She acted just fine this week. She was far more graceful and intelligent than the Conservatives who tried to crucify her, and she was the one under fire.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo

She acted just fine this week. She was far more graceful and intelligent than the Conservatives who tried to crucify her, and she was the one under fire.

Oh give me a friggin break. She spends last weekend in the conservative election planning meetings, then crosses to the Liberals? And she will be in charge of ethics? She votes against the government two or three times last week and now they are wonderful? She is a power hungry spoiled little rich girl, who gets by on Daddys coattails. If you saw her interview with Mansbridge on Tuesday night, you know there is really nothing upstairs.

To quote Stephen: "Complexity is not one of Belindas strong suits". She has no credibility at all.

 

[zenfisher]

Hmmm..but she did have credibility with Harper's party ?

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet

Hmmm..but she did have credibility with Harper's party ?

In all probability, no. Her views were decidedly left, not right, and I could never figure out why she was in the conservative party until this week, when it became obvious all she wants is power. I think that Belinda knows that there is a really good chance that the deputy prime minister, Anne McLennan from Edmonton will lose her seat in the next election, and if Barbie Belinda wins, and the Liberals get back in power, Stronach no doubt feels she will be appointed deputy PM, with Paul Martin likely to retire with a year or two anyway, given his age, putting her one step closer to leadership in the liberal party. With her, it is all about power, nothing more and nothing less, at least in my opinion.

However, on a brighter note,

 

[Scape]

Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo

She acted just fine this week. She was far more graceful and intelligent than the Conservatives who tried to crucify her, and she was the one under fire.

Oh give me a friggin break. She spends last weekend in the conservative election planning meetings, then crosses to the Liberals? And she will be in charge of ethics? She votes against the government two or three times last week and now they are wonderful? She is a power hungry spoiled little rich girl, who gets by on Daddys coattails. If you saw her interview with Mansbridge on Tuesday night, you know there is really nothing upstairs.

To quote Stephen: "Complexity is not one of Belindas strong suits". She has no credibility at all.

I saw that, she was withering and Peter wasn't even attacking her either. True, she may have been under a great deal of pressure in the last 48 hours up to that interview but she definitely wilted under the spotlight of a light cross examination. So who is the next moderate in the Conservative party?

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

They loved her when she was one of theirs, Zen. They shut down every single one of her social initiatives, but they thought she wouldn't mind. Kind of makes you wonder who the stupid one is...Stephen Harper or Belinda Stronach.

 

[bluealberta]

Who is the next moderate? Good question. From my point of view, Rona Ambrose and Diane Abloncyz (sp?) look like good MP's, and for the male side, I don't know enough outside of Alberta to make any guesses. You got any?

However, I do think that the entire conservative caucus is much more moderate than the old Reform/Alliance group, so I am not sure if any more moderation is necessarily a good thing. I mean, what is the point of getting so close to the Liberals that there is no difference? I really think this 'lack of moderation' thing is a fearmongering tactic of the liberals, and perpetuated in eastern Canada by the media.

 

[zenfisher]

I don't see it as a big stretch really...she left one conservative party for another conservative party that calls themselves liberal.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo

They loved her when she was one of theirs, Zen. They shut down every single one of her social initiatives, but they thought she wouldn't mind. Kind of makes you wonder who the stupid one is...Stephen Harper or Belinda Stronach.

Belinda, hands down. Her social policy was pure Liberal policy, not conservative, so of course they rejected some, not all, of her initiatives. She is now in the right party, looking for power and love in all the wrong places :twisted:

 

[Derry McKinney]

From my point of view, Rona Ambrose and Diane Abloncyz (sp?) look like good MP's, and for the male side, I don't know enough outside of Alberta to make any guesses.

You consider Diane Ablonzcy to be a moderate? In that case I'm going to claim that Jamey Heath has immaculate fashion sense.

Belinda, hands down. Her social policy was pure Liberal policy, not conservative,

So now she's in the right party. You should be happy for her.

I don't see it as a big stretch really...she left one conservative party for another conservative party that calls themselves liberal.

Ain't that the truth?

 

[bluealberta]

From my point of view, Rona Ambrose and Diane Abloncyz (sp?) look like good MP's, and for the male side, I don't know enough outside of Alberta to make any guesses.

You consider Diane Ablonzcy to be a moderate? In that case I'm going to claim that Jamey Heath has immaculate fashion sense.

Go ahead. I gather you have never listened to Diane judging by your comment.

Belinda, hands down. Her social policy was pure Liberal policy, not conservative,

So now she's in the right party. You should be happy for her.

As I have said on many occasions, she is in the party she should have been in all along. Paul should keep a close watch on his back, though.

I don't see it as a big stretch really...she left one conservative party for another conservative party that calls themselves liberal.

But the liberals have been proven to be corrupt, liars and thieves. That is a huge difference. And the liberals can hardly be called fiscally conservative after the last month.

Ain't that the truth?