Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet

[tightwad]

Yep...but I have a feeling he won't be a problem for much longer...

I have a feeling that Harper is done. I think that the Conservatives are going to split again. Either a lot of the old PCs will move to the Liberals, or they'll head to the new PC party. Reuniting the right has been a failure.

I concur. Belinda Stronach didn't belong with the likes of Harper and doesn't belong with the likes of Martin.

Lots don't and the NDP is certainly no "middle ground." Now that Stronach has infiltrated two dysfunctional parties, she should be able to figure out (and probably has, it's not very involved but I'm going to get a few people to write to her anyway) to reform, as in re-form the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada.

The Ontario Conservatives are re-inventing themselves in pretty much the same way that Haperites will never be able to do. They've got too many feet in their mouths.

And it's sorta like what Tony Blair (Labor; Liberal-NDP merger) managed to do, but the liberals have already done it here: they have the social issues (but they don't; and have proven it) and stole fiscal responsibility off the PC (not that they had that, but it's what real Conservatives are supposed to be) and there is lots of room between the NDP and Liberal-Conservatives.

It could be progressive as opposed to stagnant or regresive, with moderation, not liberal lies, not "conservative" lies/extremism and not NDP extremism, conservative fiscally and could call itself the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada.

There's no reason for Stronach not to be forming it up right now, taking moderate members from all the parties and maybe even throwing a couple of Greens in for effect. How else are they going to get seats?

She was instrumental in the disaster of the reform-alliance/PC merger, is gone from the disaster over the disaster (no one has a working crystal ball) and is the former CEO of Magna; which is "liberal" as in whatever it's supposed to mean today, a tough business and she increased its value by hundreds of millions of dollars, is a she, could recover the disaster of Canada's one and only female PM for a month, and whenever her web page is back up, it's "not found" for some strange reason, possibly due to major changes, and she has an email address again, people should start flooding her (um, one each) to get the new Progressive Conservative Party of Canada up to create a real alternative to the 'liberals' and the hopeless.

She doesn't belong with Martin or any of the messes associated with Chretien, Harper or any of the messes associated with the reform-alliance or Mulroney, certainly not Layton, and I think quite a few MP's are probably feeling the same way at the moment.

She should have it up and running before Gomery reports.

I agree, I miss the PC Party... but its gone for good... its up to people like Stronach, Bryson & Keith Martin who are "real" progressive conservatives to re-define the Liberals... and show former PC's there is a home for them, and they don't have to put up with being told to "shut up" by the likes of Stephen Harper and Randy White (when is he going to retire btw?).

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Get it through your head, the Conservatives are critical of the Liberals and as a result, are using what is available to bring down a corrupt, lieing, sleazy, and slimy government. If the Bloc wants to FOLLOW that, who could stop them? Your path of assistance is backwards.

Whereas the rest of Canada, Quebec notwithstanding, would rather see the country remain united...and the country has seen it as the Conservative Party helping the Bloc to split...

Given that virtually everyone who can actually think believes it is the liberal scandal that has caused the rise in separatism in Quebec, how you can even start to consider the conservatives responsible for that is typical left wing nonsensical logic. The rise in separatism has risen during the Liberal government and on their watch. They and they alone are responsible. Quit trying to pass it off on someone else. The Liberals are responsible, no one else.

I never said that the Conservatives caused a rise in separtism though, did I?

However, when looking at the situation from the advantageous position of not being blinded by neocon dogma, it looks an awful lot like the cons (neo and otherwise), in siding with the separtists, have absolutely no concern for the future of this country...

The Cons wish to destroy the government, fine...Harper's a power-hungry neophyte ...but, in the eyes of Canada, he made a huge mistake in teaming up with a party that would like nothing more than to destroy the country...

Do you disagree?

Well of course you do...

 

[Reverend Blair]

I agree, I miss the PC Party... but its gone for good... its up to people like Stronach, Bryson & Keith Martin who are "real" progressive conservatives to re-define the Liberals... and show former PC's there is a home for them, and they don't have to put up with being told to "shut up" by the likes of Stephen Harper and Randy White (when is he going to retire btw?).

They could pretty much take over the Progressive Canadian Party.

The thing is that I think they do fit very nicely into the Liberal Party. Martin has taken the Liberals very far to the right and the left of that party is feeling quite alienated. That's what a lot of the Martin/Chretien war has always been about. Martin appears to have won that war.

They are all, and Stronach more than most, representatives of corporate Canada. Witness the budget before Layton got it changed. The Conservatives were raving about it. It was full of goodies for corporate Canada and had very little for the rest of us.

 

[Chake99]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

*edit, mistake*

 

[Chake99]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

the idea behind goodies for corporate Canada is make companies come and you get job opportunities, thus less unemployment.

Not sure if I'm buying it though.

 

[bluealberta]

Get it through your head, the Conservatives are critical of the Liberals and as a result, are using what is available to bring down a corrupt, lieing, sleazy, and slimy government. If the Bloc wants to FOLLOW that, who could stop them? Your path of assistance is backwards.

Whereas the rest of Canada, Quebec notwithstanding, would rather see the country remain united...and the country has seen it as the Conservative Party helping the Bloc to split...

Given that virtually everyone who can actually think believes it is the liberal scandal that has caused the rise in separatism in Quebec, how you can even start to consider the conservatives responsible for that is typical left wing nonsensical logic. The rise in separatism has risen during the Liberal government and on their watch. They and they alone are responsible. Quit trying to pass it off on someone else. The Liberals are responsible, no one else.

I never said that the Conservatives caused a rise in separtism though, did I?

However, when looking at the situation from the advantageous position of not being blinded by neocon dogma, it looks an awful lot like the cons (neo and otherwise), in siding with the separtists, have absolutely no concern for the future of this country...

The Cons wish to destroy the government, fine...Harper's a power-hungry neophyte ...but, in the eyes of Canada, he made a huge mistake in teaming up with a party that would like nothing more than to destroy the country...

Do you disagree?

Well of course you do...

Yes, of course I disagree with this. Everything you hear or read about Quebec separatism indicates that the increase of it is due to the Liberals, no one else. Besides, remember the Bloc cannot call a referendum, that has to be called by the provincial government, which currently is Liberal. They don't have to go to the polls until 2008, so I think Canada is safe for now. If the Liberals continue to govern though, it is entirely possible that the PQ will get elected in Quebec and a more nationalistic party will get elected in Alberta, around the same time probably, so there could be separatism issues from both ends of the country. And it will all be due to the Liberals.

 

[no1important]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

(when is he going to retire btw?).

As soon as the next election comes around. Randy White says he is not seeking re election, but I won't believe it until I see it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

He'll just be replaced by another bigotted extremist though.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

If the Liberals continue to govern though, it is entirely possible that the PQ will get elected in Quebec and a more nationalistic party will get elected in Alberta, around the same time probably, so there could be separatism issues from both ends of the country. And it will all be due to the Liberals.

Uh-huh...there's your unbridled hatred of Canada showing through again blue...

 

[Andygal]

If the Liberals continue to govern though, it is entirely possible that the PQ will get elected in Quebec and a more nationalistic party will get elected in Alberta, around the same time probably, so there could be separatism issues from both ends of the country. And it will all be due to the Liberals.

Lovely, more fear-mongering.

I'd say that the Conservatives, by allying themselves with the Bloc have posed a far greater danger to the country then the Liberals ever could.

Harper is on the side of those who would destroy this country. Do we really want him as PM? I think not. IF you love this country , then the best way to show it would be to say "No" to Stephen Harper and his power-mongering ways.

And if you persist in mindlessly supporting the Conservatives, despite the fact that they clearly do not care one wit for the people of this country, then I will have to assume that you hate this country, in which case you are welcome to move to the US and join the rest of George W. Bush's lapdogs.

 

[MarkMayner]

If the Liberals continue to govern though, it is entirely possible that the PQ will get elected in Quebec and a more nationalistic party will get elected in Alberta, around the same time probably, so there could be separatism issues from both ends of the country. And it will all be due to the Liberals.

Lovely, more fear-mongering.

I'd say that the Conservatives, by allying themselves with the Bloc have posed a far greater danger to the country then the Liberals ever could.

Harper is on the side of those who would destroy this country. Do we really want him as PM? I think not. IF you love this country , then the best way to show it would be to say "No" to Stephen Harper and his power-mongering ways.

And if you persist in mindlessly supporting the Conservatives, despite the fact that they clearly do not care one wit for the people of this country, then I will have to assume that you hate this country, in which case you are welcome to move to the US and join the rest of George W. Bush's lapdogs.

Aren't you liberal's supposed to support change.. I think Harper should be PM. I do love this country, I DO live in Alberta and I don't want to seperate. Though if Ontario and yes I mean Ontario alone keeps deciding the fate (which need I add hasn't been a good one so far) of 13 other Provinces and Territories then seperatism appears to be a good solution. Western Canada has every right to be mad.

You are prejudice towards Harper, how do you know he is power hungry?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

Though if Ontario and yes I mean Ontario alone keeps deciding the fate of 13 other Provinces then seperatism appears to be the only solution.

There are ten provinces in Canada, not fourteen.

 

[MarkMayner]

I edited that, it was a mistake.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

There are still only nine provinces besides Ontario.

 

[MarkMayner]

Well, you get the point.. or should.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

You're not a real Canadian are you Mr. Mayner...

 

[MarkMayner]

No I am not...

Duh.. Of course I'm a real Canadian.
You don't have to left-winged to be a Canadian..

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Belinda Stronach appo

Most of those nine provinces and three territories are divided over whether a Conservative government would be a positive change for Canada.

 

[MarkMayner]

I don't see how anyone could not see it as a positive change..

If the liberals wanted to do what is best for Canada they would let the people choose their own government. Obviously they think they will/could lose, otherwise they would want to get this overwith now. This would (providing no more scams) provide another 4 years in office.

It shows that even they lack confidence in themselves. It's pathetic how to pass the budget plan they had to offer several Conservatives jobs, in the end they got lucky there was at least one traitor on the Conservatives.

At least she by accepting the job has commited political suicide, and left herself without a future after this.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I don't see how anyone could not see it as a positive change..

Because the Conservatives have so many policies that Canadians see as regressive and/or dangerous.

There is also absolutely no indication that the Conservatives would be any less prone to scandal than the Liberals are. The last time the Conservatives held office they had the most corrupt government in Canadians history. They lost an average of a cabinet minister a year to scandal and there were MPs sitting in government who were doing weekends in jail.

Brian Mulroney, the leader of that government, is given credit for helping to reunite the right and Harper has said that he is a key advisor to the leadership of the present-day Conservatives.

Harper and others in the party have said many negative and disparaging about other regions of Canada over the years. One of the biggest complaints of the Conservatives is that Alberta doesn't have enough influence, yet it is proportionally better represented than either Ontario or Quebec.

Conservative social policy is at odds with the majority opinion in most of Canada.

Are you getting the picture yet? It isn't that people like the Liberals, it is that they are afraid of the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives.