BC Liberals make gains, but BC NDP still lead polls in Lower Mainland

JLM

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:) :) :) :)

Normally who won the most seats is an indicator of who won the election, but in this case it ignores the complexity of the situation in BC. I think most of you know the complicated factors here but are choosing to ignore them because you want to believe that Christy Clark won. Like I said to JLM earlier, your bias is clouding your judgment.


If Christy Clark DIDN'T win, why do two satellite parties have to gang up? :)


YOUR bias is showing. :) :)


One more salient question, why aren't these two parties who disapproved of Christy's platform not shutting down the Kinder Morgan pipeline and the Site C Damn? Are we seeing a couple of "dogs in a manger" here? :)
 

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The semantics of "winning" an election are rhetorically important. Winning an election is how a government achieves legitimacy. It's usually simple, but parties use that rhetoric to influence opinion. Theresa May wanted a big electoral win to force her Brexit negotiation tactics. She would have used to that win to achieve her goals, even though she already had a majority in Parliament and was a long way from an election.

In their throne speech, the BC Liberals used the election results to justify shifting their policies towards what the NDP and Greens campaigned on. They declared themselves the winners but recognizing losing their majority was an obvious defeat, justified their continued government by adopting new policies.

The semantics are important. The BC Liberals say they won because winning mean they should be allowed to run the government. They say the most seats means they're the winner because it benefits them. If the roles were reversed, they would say the most seats doesn't matter, so long as they can control the legislature, which is the rhetoric the NDP and Greens are using.

Because the election was so close, it's uncertain who can control the legislature and for how long. People choose which rhetoric to believe based on their biases. But if look beyond partisanship, it's clear that no one can comfortably control the legislature and so no one can run the government with any stability. Which means that no one won the election.
 

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The semantics of "winning" an election are rhetorically important. Winning an election is how a government achieves legitimacy. It's usually simple, but parties use that rhetoric to influence opinion. Theresa May wanted a big electoral win to force her Brexit negotiation tactics. She would have used to that win to achieve her goals, even though she already had a majority in Parliament and was a long way from an election.

In their throne speech, the BC Liberals used the election results to justify shifting their policies towards what the NDP and Greens campaigned on. They declared themselves the winners but recognizing losing their majority was an obvious defeat, justified their continued government by adopting new policies.

The semantics are important. The BC Liberals say they won because winning mean they should be allowed to run the government. They say the most seats means they're the winner because it benefits them. If the roles were reversed, they would say the most seats doesn't matter, so long as they can control the legislature, which is the rhetoric the NDP and Greens are using.

Because the election was so close, it's uncertain who can control the legislature and for how long. People choose which rhetoric to believe based on their biases. But if look beyond partisanship, it's clear that no one can comfortably control the legislature and so no one can run the government with any stability. Which means that no one won the election.

The way our system works, as previous government, she does maintain control of the government unless defeated by a confidence motion. Then it is up to the lieutenant governor to decide what happens next. Certainly the dance one does in a minority parliament leads to interesting times. One thing Harper really did well in his minority years.
 

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The semantics of "winning" an election are rhetorically important. Winning an election is how a government achieves legitimacy. It's usually simple, but parties use that rhetoric to influence opinion. Theresa May wanted a big electoral win to force her Brexit negotiation tactics. She would have used to that win to achieve her goals, even though she already had a majority in Parliament and was a long way from an election.


Theresa May is an idiot of the first water! :) :)
 

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The way our system works, as previous government, she does maintain control of the government unless defeated by a confidence motion.

It's likely she will be defeated, but it's also possible the whole thing could fall apart or an MLA could switch sides. Then what happens? Their could be another election or the NDP could form the government.

How long will NDP minority supported by the Greens last? Probably not long. Whatever might cause their confidence motion to go awry on Thursday will only become more likely over time.

This is why I say no one won the election. No one can say with any certainty that either the Liberals or the NDP can control the government for any significant period of time.
 

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It's likely she will be defeated, but it's also possible the whole thing could fall apart or an MLA could switch sides. Then what happens? Their could be another election or the NDP could form the government.

How long will NDP minority supported by the Greens last? Probably not long. Whatever might cause their confidence motion to go awry on Thursday will only become more likely over time.

This is why I say no one won the election. No one can say with any certainty that either the Liberals or the NDP can control the government for any significant period of time.


Absolutely, but Harper did manage to pull it off for several years. Mind you Harper was a genius compared to these two goofs! :)
 

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Harper managed to pull off what?

At the time of one of his minorities (the one where he only had 124/154 seats) the pundits thought it would not be possible for Harper to survive. He lasted a full 2 years (which pretty much the expected lifetime of a minority government).
 

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He wasn't outnumbered until the opposition united against him, and then he prorogued parliament. It's a different situation. But like I said, whatever.


Proroguing is a perfectly acceptable procedure to cool things down.

No one can say with any certainty that either the Liberals or the NDP can control the government for any significant period of time.


The biggest certainty is the Greens will soon discover what a goof Horgan is and will cross the floor! :)