Bamster wants to control internet

[talloola]

I thoroughly believe in freedom for people too, but people can take that freedom and hurt
others with it, and hide behind 'my freedoms have been taken away' crap.

How do 'we' , the free people, insist on stopping people, who are worse than any government, from using
the internet to hurt others, (other than just saying, 'well, parents must do that',), of
course parents must take responsibility, but there are hundreds and thousands of parents who don't, and
don't have a clue about internet, I am
talking about some authority that works for all of us against such 'vile' people on the
internet using it to make lives miserable for others, etc.

Of course such people will scream that their freedoms are being interferred with, as they
can't get up every morning, go on the internet and make their attempts to hurt others.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Liberal talk at its best; too much freedom is bad for you; only the govmnt knows what's best for you; you can't decide for yourself what's good for you; let the govmnt take care of you; choice is bad for you.

That is conservative talk, not liberal talk. To date, conservatives have tried to ban:
Pornography
Homosexuality
Abortion
Contraception
Evolution
Divorce
Witchcraft

It is the conservatives who believe in ultimate government control, not liberals. It is conservatives who want to control peoples' lives at each and every stage.

But you'll bend over and let massive corporations tell you whats best for you.

Quite so, big corporations can do no wrong (that is the conservative philosophy).

Sorry, I mean Liberal not liberal.

I will decide what's best for me.

I daresay. However, you won’t let others decide what is best for them. Thus, if somebody wants to get an abortion, you want to ban it. If gays want to get married, you would ban gay marriage. If people want to use contraception and have premarital sex, you would try to ban that. And so on.

That is called hypocrisy, and hypocrisy comes naturally to conservatives.

 

[CDNBear]

That is conservative talk, not liberal talk.

Did you purposely miss the inplications in the article and who is allegedly doing what?

Other than that, will we be seeing anything other then your usual BS about left v right?

 

[Chiliagon]

That is conservative talk, not liberal talk. To date, conservatives have tried to ban:
Pornography
Homosexuality
Abortion
Contraception
Evolution
Divorce
Witchcraft

officiall I have no issues with any of these. Porn can stay in the Dark ages, I hope it never becomes main stream but there are some good uses for it, just very few.

Abortion is a touchy subject but I feel it's a womans right to abort if it's an unwanted pregancy due to Rape.

Contraception is important, this day in age where many people are sexually active for the fun of it, you need to have ways to help prevent unwanted pregnancies

Evolution is pretty bloody obvious. I think Stockwell Day has something to do with this one (crazy lunatic)

Divorce is common so there's no point in banning it

Witchcraft is fun. 8O

 

[CDNBear]

officiall I have no issues with any of these. Porn can stay in the Dark ages, I hope it never becomes main stream but there are some good uses for it, just very few.

Do you live in a cave? Porn has been mainstream for years.

Abortion is a touchy subject but I feel it's a womans right to abort if it's an unwanted pregancy due to Rape.

Contraception is important, this day in age where many people are sexually active for the fun of it, you need to have ways to help prevent unwanted pregnancies

Evolution is pretty bloody obvious. I think Stockwell Day has something to do with this one (crazy lunatic)

Divorce is common so there's no point in banning it

Witchcraft is fun. 8O

Don't take the bait, SJP is trying to turn the debate into right v left with his usual BS.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

officiall I have no issues with any of these. Porn can stay in the Dark ages, I hope it never becomes main stream but there are some good uses for it, just very few.

Abortion is a touchy subject but I feel it's a womans right to abort if it's an unwanted pregancy due to Rape.

Contraception is important, this day in age where many people are sexually active for the fun of it, you need to have ways to help prevent unwanted pregnancies

Evolution is pretty bloody obvious. I think Stockwell Day has something to do with this one (crazy lunatic)

Divorce is common so there's no point in banning it

Witchcraft is fun. 8O

One could hold pro or con opinions on these issues, arguments could be made on both sides. My problem is conservatives claiming that they are opposed to government interfering in people’s lives, they are not.

They support fully as much interference in peoples’ lives as liberals do, maybe even more. It is just that they want to interfere in peoples’ lives in areas where liberals don’t, and want to leave those aspects of peoples’ lives alone, where liberals want intervention.

Conservatives show their hypocrisy all the time, they are constantly bleating about too much government interference in peoples’ lives. If given the free hand, they would control peoples’ lives much more that liberals ever would.

 

[CDNBear]

One could hold pro or con opinions on these issues, arguments could be made on both sides. My problem is conservatives claiming that they are opposed to government interfering in people’s lives, they are not.

They support fully as much interference in peoples’ lives as liberals do, maybe even more. It is just that they want to interfere in peoples’ lives in areas where liberals don’t, and want to leave those aspects of peoples’ lives alone, where liberals want intervention.

Really? You have accused me of being your "typical caricature of a conservative", yet I find it repulsive for the gov't to interfere in my life, on this level.

This is why you ignore me. I keep proving you to be a vacuous sod, with little more then partisan BS to bring to the conversation.

 

[Chiliagon]

Do you live in a cave? Porn has been mainstream for years.

Don't take the bait, SJP is trying to turn the debate into right v left with his usual BS.

ya but it's not accepted in society , like a Movie that's NC-17 or R rated.

it's still shunned

 

[CDNBear]

ya but it's not accepted in society , like a Movie that's NC-17 or R rated.

it's still shunned

Huh?

You obviously haven't seen the turn out for the AVN awards. The pay networks that program porn on late night TV.

 

[Avro]

So cons are upset that Obama may regulate the internet that could protect us from child pronography and acts of terror but didn't seem to mind the constitution being crapped on when Bush rolled out the Patriot Act and many other such violations of the constitution.

Brilliant Walt, just pure brilliance.:roll:

 

[DurkaDurka]

ya but it's not accepted in society , like a Movie that's NC-17 or R rated.

it's still shunned

So you think we need government shills monitoring our internet connections to make sure we're not looking at T&A?

So cons are upset that Obama may regulate the internet that could protect us from child pronography and acts of terror but didn't seem to mind the constitution being crapped on when Bush rolled out the Patriot Act and many other such violations of the constitution.

Brilliant Walt, just pure brilliance.:roll:

Net Neutrality regulation doesn't have anything to do with terrorism or child pornography.

 

[CDNBear]

So cons are upset that Obama may regulate the internet that could protect us from child pronography and acts of terror but didn't seem to mind the constitution being crapped on when Bush rolled out the Patriot Act and many other such violations of the constitution.

Brilliant Walt, just pure brilliance.

Funny, I'm not a conservative, although that doesn't stop people from calling me one on the net, lol, and I have a problem with both.

Also, Durka is the last person in this form I would even consider calling a con and here you can see for yourself, how he feels...

So you think we need government shills monitoring our internet connections to make sure we're not looking at T&A?

:roll:

Quite.

 

[AnnaG]

The Internet has too much freedom now as it is..

they need to Ban All Adult entertainment Outright and start observing the Internet much like the CIA and FBI observe telephone conversations.

Cute. A real life Nanny-state proponent. You'd like the gov't to spoon you your pablum, too?

Is this Al Gore, the inventor of the internet?

lmao

 

[Avro]

So you think we need government shills monitoring our internet connections to make sure we're not looking at T&A?



Net Neutrality regulation doesn't have anything to do with terrorism or child pornography.

Gee, here I thought Walt was going to make my point for me.

Thanks.;-)

 

[DurkaDurka]

Cute. A real life Nanny-state proponent. You'd like the gov't to spoon you your pablum, too?

lmao

But what about the children? :roll::roll::roll::roll:

I'm surprised he hasn't used that one yet.

 

[AnnaG]

because there is no security that watches it.

Parents obviously don't watch their children (many don't) when they are on the computer..

Um, there are such things as filters. Also, if all else fails there's the plug in the wall socket that can be pulled. Filters can be breached, but filters can also be modified to keep blocking stuff. Otherwise AVs would be useless.
We didn't filter much of anything from our kids, but then we aren't that anal and were up front with them enough to truthfully answer their questions.
Some expert. :roll:

 

[DurkaDurka]

Gee, here I thought Walt was going to make my point for me.

Thanks.;-)

What is your point exactly? You were going on about civil liberties, terrorism and child porn.

 

[CDNBear]

What is your point exactly? You were going on about civil liberties, terrorism and child porn, while making the issue all about the cons.

;-) fify...

 

[AnnaG]

i'm talking about Internet companies, with programs that record activity

Switching topics now? First you worry about what kids can see on the net and now you toss out spyware so the gov't can monitor what kids see? Or what we can see?
What flavor of pablum do you like?

And how does this software determine the context of such words? I could easily type those words on any given day in the context of a video game, Call of Duty for example. Then you also have a problem if the traffic is encrypted.

The gov't must love those emails that people send out containing random words and phrases. lmao

That is conservative talk, not liberal talk. To date, conservatives have tried to ban:
Pornography
Homosexuality
Abortion
Contraception
Evolution
Divorce
Witchcraft

It is the conservatives who believe in ultimate government control, not liberals. It is conservatives who want to control peoples' lives at each and every stage.



Quite so, big corporations can do no wrong (that is the conservative philosophy).



I daresay. However, you won’t let others decide what is best for them. Thus, if somebody wants to get an abortion, you want to ban it. If gays want to get married, you would ban gay marriage. If people want to use contraception and have premarital sex, you would try to ban that. And so on.

That is called hypocrisy, and hypocrisy comes naturally to conservatives.

.... and narcissists.

 

[Avro]

What is your point exactly? You were going on about civil liberties, terrorism and child porn.

Much of what the Bush Regime did to protect Americans from terror had nothing to do with terror at all....terror was red herring.

It was about centralizing control and the cons who pipe up now were sure quiet then.

Read wikki about net neutrality....it's complicated.

I'm usually for some sort of regulation....like banks (would have prevented the economic colapse)....or offshore drilling (nuff said there).;-)