Baird: Time for tougher foreign policy

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Tougher foreign policy vital to Canada: Baird

OTTAWA – Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird knows some of his government’s positions on the world stage are unpopular. Supporting Israel and walking away from the Kyoto accord this month are two examples.

Baird won’t apologize for either.

“We don’t develop foreign policy to be popular around the world,” he says in a recent interview with Postmedia News. “Sometimes you’re alone saying something, and then a number of years later, it’s conventional wisdom.”

The refusal to concede on issues of importance to the government is one of the clearest marks that Canada’s approach to world affairs has undergone a dramatic change since the Conservatives first came to power nearly six years ago.

Gone is the so-called “soft power” and “human security agenda” of the previous Liberal government, symbolized by consensus building at the United Nations and diplomatic initiatives like peacekeeping. In its place is a clear pursuit of interests linked to an uncompromising projection of values backed up by a strong military.

The government’s top concern, Baird says, is Canadian economic prosperity.

“It is a lens through which we view almost anything,” he says. “Foreign policy has become even more important to the economy. It’s really essential.”

The Foreign Affairs Department budget has increased by about $700 million since 2006 to $2.8 billion. Where it has resulted in more feet on the ground, those have largely been trade commissioners in trade offices opened in China, India, Brazil and other economic hotspots.

At the same time, Baird is quick to list the number of free trade and foreign investment agreements being pursued by the government. Perhaps not by coincidence, when Canada’s embassy in Tripoli, Libya, reopened in September, the first officials deployed were trade officers, not political and human rights experts.

But nothing is bigger than the United States, and Baird identifies the recent Canada-U.S. border security agreement as the best example of “traditional diplomacy” from the last year.

“It took a solid, personal relationship at the top between the prime minister and the president in order to initiate something, successfully see its conclusion and announce it,” Baird says.

The same is true with the mission in Libya, he adds.

“I think Libya’s a big success because of strong leadership on behalf of the prime minister,” Baird says, though he also praises Gen. Charles Bouchard, the Canadian commander who oversaw the NATO operation.

In fact, Baird describes Libya as Canada’s biggest diplomatic accomplishment in the past year.

“No doubt the diplomatic work, the coalition-building and the military success in Libya was a big one for Canada,” he says. “How many thousands, tens of thousands, of civilian lives were saved? It’s just a remarkable accomplishment.”

The Canadian military has emerged as a major player in Canadian foreign policy in recent years, bolstered by the fact the Defence Department budget has increased nearly $5.6 billion to $20.3 billion since the Conservative government came into power. This has included the purchase of new aircraft, ships and armoured vehicles, as well as heavy combat roles in Afghanistan and Libya.

Critics have lamented what they say is the Conservatives’ prioritizing of military power over Canada’s traditional strength, diplomacy.

Sitting in his 10th-floor office at Foreign Affairs headquarters, Baird says the government is simply undoing years of damage wreaked by Liberal governments in the 1990s and early 2000s.

“The military was gutted for 13 years,” he says. “Even the man the Liberals appointed to be chief of defence staff (Rick Hillier) called it a ‘decade of darkness.’ ”

But while the government is preparing to spend billions on new F-35 fighter jets, Baird refuses to rule out the closure of Canadian embassies abroad through budget cuts next year.

Known for his bombastic style in the House of Commons, many wondered whether Baird, appointed to the portfolio in May, would be able to make the transition to becoming Canada’s top diplomat.
 

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There are some things around this subject that makes some sense but for the most part
Canada is not the kind of Canada the current government is trying to project.
I think immigration should concentrate on the person making the application to become
a Canadian. For example we let John come to Canada and become a member of our
family. That is all well and good in itself. It should not mean however that John can now
apply for his entire family to come under family reunification. We let John come here not
the entire neighbourhood that John once lived in in his former country. We should also
look hard at the application, is there flaws? If so John does not get to come here. We
should not have to deport people for false statements, that happens when our civil
servants don't do their job in the first place.
The other issue I have is a policy built on the strength of the military. We can defend
ourselves but we are not a nation capable of going out and picking fights with others,
nor should we be. We also use the humanitarian position and threaten sanctions and all
that nonsense, as time goes on. Face it we are a nation of hypocrites. We make strong
statements against some nation in Africa, or the Middle East while at the same time doing
business and looking for increased business with the most brutal dictators on earth in
places like China.
The current government in my opinion is digging its own grave. They are implementing
fuzzy held beliefs of the old Reform Party of twenty years ago and we are now living in a
much different world. The Wheat Board is an example. The crime bill and the building
of prisons, when the crime rate is going down and the pot war is about to be lost is nuts.
There are all kinds of examples of the slow strangulation of this government. Debt the
largest, we have seen since Lyin' Brian was in power.
We are concentrating on a flawed immigration policy based on military solutions that we
will never be able to fulfill. wait till the electorate sobers up and catches on, and yes the
Liberals could win the next election.
 

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DG, you ought to be happy the Conservatives are finally implementing policies that don't let whole Asian/African neighbourhoods into Canada as a right-before they even got to Canada. We're the only country in the world where such a ridiculous idea had so much credbility for so long. Which is because people fetl terrified to even talk about immigration or immigrants because as soon as you opened your mouth on the topic, foaming mouthed bigots lableled you a bigot. Because they believe in their Canada, no one is illegal, anywhere, ever. The public knows better.

Conservatives, like most Canadians, have a fairly incoherent policy about the world. They key is to protect Canada and not let any one in without proper checks, and keep the numbers relatively low.
 

damngrumpy

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Give me a break, I said I think tightening up the immigration policy is a good one, now
they should go one step further and eliminate the automatic family reunification. It was
not about foaming at the mouth bigots, it was about incompetence in not checking out
the application forms. I don't have anything against anyone coming into Canada as
long as they are legal and are not criminals, but I do not think the whole family gets a
pass along with them.
Inconsistent policy comes about because governments have their own agenda instead
of doing what is right for the country and its future. Making deals with China while out
there condemning everyone else for doing the things the Chinese are doing. We have
to have a policy that is consistent. In addition we are doing the military trip to the
extreme. We do need to update the equipment and we need to ensure we have an
adequate defence of the country. But the money being overspent is not sustainable.
In addition the government is doing following an agenda that is no longer applicable.
The issues of the 1980's are not the issues of today and the solutions no longer apply
either. The problem for Harper is the opposition is letting the rope continue to go out
and when that rope comes to the end they will hang themselves. Look at the BC
Government, no matter what they do they can't gain ground because the people here
just want them gone.
 

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DG, the foaming mouth bigots are in retreat, they can't even talk about the subject without biting someone madly like a pit bull.

End automatic family unification, I agree. Australia has already. Want to see your parents in India? Hop on a plane.

We have to m ake some deals with China and we ought to prosecute their spies in Canada, which are plenty. Not prosecuting their spies shows weakness that makes countries laugh at us.

BC Libs are dead. Yay.
 

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Good to have a politician with guts enough to stand up for Canadians.

Some Canadians.

Anyway, if standing up for Canadians means announcing your policy back at home after a world conference is ended, then we're pretty panzy-like.
 

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Sometimes a political position is unpopular because its a bad idea and it never becomes conventional wisdom. Over time, such positions evolve from just being bad to becoming horrendously stupid.

The direction the Harper government regarding the environment and Israel will eventually bite us.

We are in the middle of Holocene extinction(Wikipedia). Now is the time to act regarding the environment.

This government would like Canada to sign a mutual defense pact with Israel. Get ready for a surprise in the near future:

OTTAWA — Canada and Israel are about to complete a number of defence co-operation agreements that will significantly tighten military bonds between the two countries as tensions grow over Iran's nuclear ambitions. And Defence Minister Peter MacKay refused Wednesday to rule out a mutual-defence agreement that would oblige Canada to come to Israel's defence should the latter be attacked. Appearing together at a media conference in Ottawa on Wednesday, MacKay and his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak said they anticipate negotiations will be completed by the end of the year.
Canada forging stronger defence ties with Israel

Such a pact would be neither mutual nor defensive. However getting in bed with the Israelis would increase Conservative support in some sectors.
 

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Sometimes a political position is unpopular because its a bad idea and it never becomes conventional wisdom. Over time, such positions evolve from just being bad to becoming horrendously stupid.

The direction the Harper government regarding the environment and Israel will eventually bite us.

We are in the middle of Holocene extinction(Wikipedia). Now is the time to act regarding the environment.

This government would like Canada to sign a mutual defense pact with Israel. Get ready for a surprise in the near future:

OTTAWA — Canada and Israel are about to complete a number of defence co-operation agreements that will significantly tighten military bonds between the two countries as tensions grow over Iran's nuclear ambitions. And Defence Minister Peter MacKay refused Wednesday to rule out a mutual-defence agreement that would oblige Canada to come to Israel's defence should the latter be attacked. Appearing together at a media conference in Ottawa on Wednesday, MacKay and his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak said they anticipate negotiations will be completed by the end of the year.
Canada forging stronger defence ties with Israel

Such a pact would be neither mutual nor defensive. However getting in bed with the Israelis would increase Conservative support in some sectors.

Would you rather our government got in bed with muzzie terrorists?
 

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How about we adopt the Swedish policy of involved neutrality. Seems to have done the Swedish economy well. Now we want to base our foreign policy on the US one? That's why they're so broke, and now we want to go down that path?
 

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Who said anything about half hearted?

How did we get to emotional investment from a monetary stance?

Fighting whole-heartedly costs money. you're not going to fight a war successfully on a controlled budget. In WWII we won because we threw all of our economic resources into it. heck, the UK was virtually bankrupt by the end of it and the Canadian debt had soared too. That's how you win if you intend to be involved effectively like the US was, and now they're in debt to the hilt too.
 

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Fighting whole-heartedly costs money. you're not going to fight a war successfully on a controlled budget. In WWII we won because we threw all of our economic resources into it. heck, the UK was virtually bankrupt by the end of it and the Canadian debt had soared too. That's how you win if you intend to be involved effectively like the US was, and now they're in debt to the hilt too.
You think the US has been affective in Afghanistan and Iraq?

I beg to differ.

You don't need costly intervention to win wars for the purposes of regime change.
 

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Would you rather our government got in bed with muzzie terrorists?
You believe Canada can only choose between supporting Muslim terrorists or Israeli war criminals? Can anyone think of another choice?

How about we adopt the Swedish policy of involved neutrality. Seems to have done the Swedish economy well. Now we want to base our foreign policy on the US one? That's why they're so broke, and now we want to go down that path?
Yes there is a third choice. I am with Machjo. Canada should choose a path which respects human rights and dignity. Canada should choose the path of freedom and justice, rather than oppression and injustice or senseless death and destruction.

Yes he would.

Neutrality is for pussies.
I can answer my own questions thank you.

Neutrality is the best path when supporting one side or the other involves supporting war crimes and crimes against humanity.
 

CDNBear

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You believe Canada can only choose between supporting Muslim terrorists or Israeli war criminals?
Canada doesn't support Israeli war criminals.

Yes there is a third choice. I am with Machjo. Canada should choose a path which respects human rights and dignity. Canada should choose the path of freedom and justice, rather than oppression and injustice or senseless death and destruction.
Which is what they are doing.

I can answer my own questions thank you.
Not honestly.

Neutrality is the best path when supporting one side or the other involves supporting war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Canada doesn't and hasn't supported war crimes or crimes against humanity. You should stop projecting, and demonizing Israel.
 

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Yes there is a third choice. I am with Machjo. Canada should choose a path which respects human rights and dignity. Canada should choose the path of freedom and justice, rather than oppression and injustice or senseless death and destruction.

I agree with you and Macho.

It's one thing to be tough and stand up for the country. It's another thing to preach about human rights but unflinchingly supply oil to China just because it also benefits our economy.

The little bit of au jus to go with our beef is when we decide to boycott a banana co. while supporting banana republics worldwide.
 
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