Bad words: 'illegal immigrant'

[BaalsTears]

I haven't ever noted the common use of a single term to describe unprocessed immigrants (ha, how do you like that one? lol) in the Canadian media. undocumented, unauthorized, illegal, refugee, immigrant.... so, while no one's proposed a 'policy' (he's merely pointed out to the media that as a prolific catch phrase it has potential to do more harm than good), I'd have to say it would be a moot point to approach Canadian media regarding it.




And this, right here, is exactly the point. By applying a singular label, you can link everyone you so much as suspect, to this criminal. And if you keep the label itself dripping with connotations of criminality, you keep the paranoia flowing throughout the country. A country that doesn't trust its citizenry, is easy to run.

Let me be clear. There isn't going to be any peace in America under any circumstances. It would be preferable for America to disintegrate than to accept the presence of illegal aliens. No peace ever. Strife without end.

 

[DaSleeper]

If we sanitize a term for someone who is in the country "illegaly" .as an undocumented citizen.....

Why not call a rapist an "unauthorized lover" ??????:smile:

 

[karrie]

If we sanitize a term for someone who is in the country "illegaly" .as an undocumented citizen.....

Why not call a rapist an "unauthorized lover" ??????:smile:

How about when someone commits, purposefully and with intent, a crime upon another individual, you call a spade a spade.

But, when dealing with the movement of men, women, and children, across a continent, perhaps one ought to stop and realize that neglecting to follow government policy for any number of reasons, does not make a person a criminal in the sense that the media (and folks like Durry and Baals) oft imply.

Immigration can be illegal, but when routinely labeling human beings 'illegal', you're heading down a slippery path to removing their humanity from your own mind. And I really don't think this gentleman is wrong to point that out.

 

[eh1eh]

A countries first responsibility is to look after its own people.
It is not Americas responsibility to look after all the losers from other countries.

The best thing anyone can do to help other countries, is to go there and help them learn to help themselves. Taking someone in to your country does not help the others left in their country.
Kinda pretty basic, but probably not for the lefties!!

Statue of Liberty.

Nip on down and read the base.

Statue of Liberty National Monument - Statue Of Liberty National Monument

Funny, considering where Americans came from.

I know, right?

 

[TenPenny]

It's funny that many of the high and mighty right wingers are the ones benefitting from cheap child care, lawn care and renovations due to the illegal immigrants that they don't want.

That's why nothing actually gets done - there's too much money to be made.

 

[DaSleeper]

How about when someone commits, purposefully and with intent, a crime upon another individual, you call a spade a spade.

But, when dealing with the movement of men, women, and children, across a continent, perhaps one ought to stop and realize that neglecting to follow government policy for any number of reasons, does not make a person a criminal in the sense that the media (and folks like Durry and Baals) oft imply.

Immigration can be illegal, but when routinely labeling human beings 'illegal', you're heading down a slippery path to removing their humanity from your own mind. And I really don't think this gentleman is wrong to point that out.

Then get the law changed, don't sugar coat it......changing the name does not make it legal!
The crime being committed is against the taxpayers! Not violent' but still a crime according to the law!

 

[Durry]

Then get the law changed, don't sugar coat it......changing the name does not make it legal!
The crime being committed is against the taxpayers! Not violent' but still a crime according to the law!

Lefties like to start changes by sugar coating things. Then they gradually lobby to get a sweet law changed.

 

[karrie]

First of all... crime against the tax payers... that doesn't fly very far, considering the US's dependence on 'illegal' immigrant workers. They put more money into the economy than they could ever hope to take out. The government couldn't send them home, even if it wanted to, because they do the jobs that 'proper' Americans don't want.

second of all... illegal immigration is illegal immigration. You're confusing the issue. The problem he's attempting to address is the criminalizing language, the attempt to lump a large diverse group together under one alienating banner. He is referring to how individuals should be addressed, not an immigration issue as a whole.

 

[CDNBear]

Then they gradually lobby to get a sweet law changed.

Sweet law?

What's a sour law to you? Not being able to marry your sister?

 

[Durry]

It's funny that many of the high and mighty right wingers are the ones benefitting from cheap child care, lawn care and renovations due to the illegal immigrants that they don't want.

That's why nothing actually gets done - there's too much money to be made.

Not true.
Your making this up because it sounds good.

The Law is the Law.
Breakers should be caught and punished and sent home with a penalty in the case of illegals!!

 

[CDNBear]

First of all... crime against the tax payers... that doesn't fly very far, considering the US's dependence on 'illegal' immigrant workers. They put more money into the economy than they could ever hope to take out. The government couldn't send them home, even if it wanted to, because they do the jobs that 'proper' Americans don't want.

And Canadians, legally mind you.

The problem he's attempting to address is the criminalizing language, the attempt to lump a large diverse group together under one alienating banner.

Criminalizing language? Could that have anything to do with the crime of being in the country illegally?

He is referring to how individuals should be addressed, not an immigration issue as a whole.

If they're in the country illegally, they're illegal immigrants.

 

[Durry]

. He is referring to how individuals should be addressed, not an immigration issue as a whole.

They should be addressed as criminals and illegals..

 

[karrie]

Really. You do realize that many of the US's 'criminals' never chose to immigrate, but were either drug along by parents, or born there, right? but they're 'criminals'. I can't agree with you.

 

[SLM]

Sweet law?

What's a sour law to you? Not being able to marry your sister?

Good Grief! Do you really want to know the answer to that question?

 

[CDNBear]

Really. You do realize that many of the US's 'criminals' never chose to immigrate, but were either drug along by parents, or born there, right? but they're 'criminals'. I can't agree with you.

Is that to me or Durpy?

Good Grief! Do you really want to know the answer to that question?

Well, ya. In a morbid curiousity kinda way.

 

[Durry]

Really. You do realize that many of the US's 'criminals' never chose to immigrate, but were either drug along by parents, or born there, right? but they're 'criminals'. I can't agree with you.

Nonsense, your just trying to justify illegals breaking a Law.
If your born in the US, your automatically a US citizen ( not fair but that is how it is), and children who accompany patents are not subject to the law.

Learn the facts.
People who intentionally plan and do break the Law are criminals!!

 

[SLM]

Really. You do realize that many of the US's 'criminals' never chose to immigrate, but were either drug along by parents, or born there, right? but they're 'criminals'. I can't agree with you.

I certainly wouldn't call the children 'criminals', hell I wouldn't call the adults 'criminals' either. They haven't broken a criminal law. But at the same time as I do appreciate your point re:negative association of the term "illegal", truthfully if we were to refer to them exclusively as "undocumented" or whatever the choice of term is, the attitude remains unchanged. So 'undocumented' comes to have the same contextual meaning. Sure, illegal has that meaning already associated with it, but in the end, a word is just a word. It won't do a damn thing to change the attitudes of people.

Well, ya. In a morbid curiousity kinda way.

Is there any other kinda way? Lol.

 

[Durry]

Laws are structured and penalties are assigned to those who break the Law.
The purpose of the penalty is to deter others from breaking the same law. If there is no penalty or no deterrent, then there is no need for the Law.

One of the deterrents of illegals should be that they are called a criminal.

 

[karrie]

I certainly wouldn't call the children 'criminals', hell I wouldn't call the adults 'criminals' either. They haven't broken a criminal law. But at the same time as I do appreciate your point re:negative association of the term "illegal", truthfully if we were to refer to them exclusively as "undocumented" or whatever the choice of term is, the attitude remains unchanged. So 'undocumented' comes to have the same contextual meaning. Sure, illegal has that meaning already associated with it, but in the end, a word is just a word. It won't do a damn thing to change the attitudes of people.

You're totally right. But, at the same time, would we be having this discussion, giving thought to what it must be like to be one of the marginalized 'illegals', if they didn't bring up the fact that they feel the discussion? Same with any of Loc's 'soft word's.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Let me be clear. There isn't going to be any peace in America under any circumstances. It would be preferable for America to disintegrate than to accept the presence of illegal aliens. No peace ever. Strife without end.

Would such a policy be good for Canada?


People who come to America in violation of American laws have the effect of diminishing the self-determination of Americans by imposing demographics of ignorance and poverty. I will never accept illegal aliens. I will resist them the same way Palestinians resist Israeli settlers. I loathe and detest illegal aliens.

Here's an illegal alien for you Canadians who love illegals...he was my god damn neighbor until he shot two guys in the head:

Live Oak teen to be tried on double murder charge - Santa Cruz Sentinel

Did he know you harbor this much resentment toward your fellow man who just want a better life. I'm guessing not or he would have capped 3 guys.

Not true.
Your making this up because it sounds good.

The Law is the Law.
Breakers should be caught and punished and sent home with a penalty in the case of illegals!!

Oh it's true alright. Go for a drive round hollyweird or Maliboohoo and find me a white gardener or nanny or housekeeper. Go to Texas and find me a white guy working the fields at harvest.

So how is this for an idea. Don't just criminalize those being used as cheap labor, prosecute every 'real' American who hires one.

Nonsense, your just trying to justify illegals breaking a Law.
If your born in the US, your automatically a US citizen ( not fair but that is how it is), and children who accompany patents are not subject to the law.

Learn the facts.
People who intentionally plan and do break the Law are criminals!!

I shoot down your stupid little written rule and supplant it with the law of nature. We will ALL try to improve our living standards and provide a better future for our children. I don't think this is a crime against anything. To Not try to give your children a better chance would be criminal in my regard.

Way I see this is the yanks are haves and those sneaking in are the have-nots and, as usual, the haves don't want to share.