B.C. and Alberta in dirty fight over oil profit

[beaker]

Nexen,so far it is stalled but theres more on the plate,nexus,tiein and lots of other juniors including mine but i dont want to mention the name,too many freaks on here would love to know who im working for.
Over 900 wells drilled so far this year in kindersley in a 100 square kilometer patch.Chinese money is making it happen. So they have long term plans for our energy including Uranium.The B.C. premier may want to go back to the north east coal disaster to find out what she is dealing with.
I havent been able to get a hotel room for 3 weeks here or within 150 miles now,sleeping in the siverado lodge.

As least I dont get paid in Yen yet.

The yen is the money of Japan, which coincidentally was the market for the NE coal projects, rather than China. Does anyone in the oil patch ever ask what the rush is to develop and sell all our resources, apparently whether we would rather hold on to some for ourselves or not? Do you think China that has just allowed itself onto the world market would force us to sell them tar? I think a lot of the people out in the patch have been working so hard for so long that they aren't thinking straight anymore.

They could shut down B.C.'s coal industry in a day,is that what you want? B.C. wouldnt stand a chance taking on China in an economic war.

They will get their fuel supply from Canada,thats a given.

Nothing is a given unless you can provide better reasons than this. We are a sovereign country and we have concerns that are not Chinas. I think we can make up our own minds whether we want to get enough for our products to make it worthwhile, or use them ourselves.

Alberta should start taxing the coal trains coming from the elk valley then to go to Detroit.
We developed the resources,if anything B.C.should be paying us for keeping a steady supply to them.

Tit for tat,each province has something to sell,when peeps from the rest of Canada stop whining about the oilsands maybe we can do something to benefit the whole country with our wealth of resources.Seems these days everyone has their hand out and expects money without having to work for it,like the B.C. preimer.

When a coal train hits another coal train, what do you get, a pile of coal. Not the same kind of problem is it.

 

[petros]

TWhen a coal train hits another coal train, what do you get, a pile of coal. Not the same kind of problem is it.

Why not? There is nothing subtle about a train wreck.

 

[beaker]

Why not? There is nothing subtle about a train wreck.

Primarily when you lose oil you have to chase it to clean it up. Do you think coal is like that?

 

[petros]

Think of things this way.

The oil sands are an ancient oil spill that we're cleaning up and sending oversea to be up-cycled into useable goods.

 

[Kakato]

4 train wrecks in front of my house the last 4 years,all cp rail trains carrying coal,i have some awesome pics of it.
And about another 4 or 5 all on the 60 klik run to the elk valley from the pass.

Primarily when you lose oil you have to chase it to clean it up. Do you think coal is like that?

Easy to clean up,you dont have to chase it either.

The yen is the money of Japan, which coincidentally was the market for the NE coal projects, rather than China. Does anyone in the oil patch ever ask what the rush is to develop and sell all our resources, apparently whether we would rather hold on to some for ourselves or not? Do you think China that has just allowed itself onto the world market would force us to sell them tar? I think a lot of the people out in the patch have been working so hard for so long that they aren't thinking straight anymore.



Nothing is a given unless you can provide better reasons than this. We are a sovereign country and we have concerns that are not Chinas. I think we can make up our own minds whether we want to get enough for our products to make it worthwhile, or use them ourselves.





When a coal train hits another coal train, what do you get, a pile of coal. Not the same kind of problem is it.

,it is when it happens 100 feet from your house.

The transcanda pipeline runs about the same distance and no problems ever!!!!!!

you guys bitch and whine about the oilsands,then when you have given the oil companies an excuse to raise the price because of increased due diligence you whine and cry again,I have to sign a minimum 7 permits every day just to start work,and you wonder why the price of gas is so high,thankfully I work in the industry and am immune to this b.s. as i have a fuel card from the oil company.
The more you guys whine,the more money I can ask for on my weekly cheque. lol!

Some of you peeps arent doing anyone any favours by driving the price up but carry on,money in my pocket the more you do.

 

[beaker]

Think of things this way.

The oil sands are an ancient oil spill that we're cleaning up and sending oversea to be up-cycled into useable goods.

That is funny.

4 train wrecks in front of my house the last 4 years,all cp rail trains carrying coal,i have some awesome pics of it.
And about another 4 or 5 all on the 60 klik run to the elk valley from the pass.

Easy to clean up,you dont have to chase it either.

The transcanda pipeline runs about the same distance and no problems ever!!!!!!

you guys bitch and whine about the oilsands,then when you have given the oil companies an excuse to raise the price because of increased due diligence you whine and cry again,I have to sign a minimum 7 permits every day just to start work,and you wonder why the price of gas is so high,thankfully I work in the industry and am immune to this b.s. as i have a fuel card from the oil company.
The more you guys whine,the more money I can ask for on my weekly cheque. lol!

Some of you peeps arent doing anyone any favours by driving the price up but carry on,money in my pocket the more you do.

Like I said earlier, maybe you are working to hard. I think there is a fair concensus that fuel prices are rising because society recognizes that we have passed peak oil, that there are costs, from road maintenance to health, to environmental cleanup that have to be included in the price, and that we have to start investing in renewable energies. That plus governments have figured for a long time now that our dependence on fossil fuels provides a cash cow for government coffers. Perhaps you should also figure that corporate profits and oil field wages are high. All of these things put upward pressure on fuel prices.

I take it you have never had to corral a spill that has happened in a stream, river, or ocean. The trouble is that every spill is in a watershed. And the chances of the tar from a leaking or busted pipe going through BC finding its way into water is really good, They call it the Wet coast for a reason.

 

[petros]

They are tar sands when you want them to be tar but oil sands when you want them to be oil?

 

[beaker]

They are tar sands when you want them to be tar but oil sands when you want them to be oil?

LOL if it was only so simple, eh?

 

[taxslave]

Primarily when you lose oil you have to chase it to clean it up. Do you think coal is like that?

Coal isn't exactly the best thing to dump into salmon streams either. Still has to be cleaned up. Besides have you ever seen two pipelines have a head on?

 

[petros]

LOL if it was only so simple, eh?

They've been called oil sands since the 1930's. Tar sands is a colloquialism and an incorrect term.

So tell me how a bitumen spill would be compared to a crude oil spill?

 

[beaker]

They've been called oil sands since the 1930's. Tar sands is a colloquialism and an incorrect term.

So tell me how a bitumen spill would be compared to a crude oil spill?

Show me an example of the athabaska tar sands being called oil sands in the thirties. Tar sands are not an incorrect term, see my above reference to the dictionary. A dictionary is sometimes used as a reference point for the correct usage of a word.

How would a bitumen spill be compared to a crude oil spill? Ok an excercise incontainment, environmental protection, cost minimization, etc. With a given that the two spills are similar sized, probably big if they were to happen in isolated, difficult to reach, and large pipes in the watersheds and mountain meadows and forests of BC, the next comparison would be the relative pollutant levels of the different fossil fuel pre-cursors. The amount of evaporation that would occur, the way the two polluting spills interact with the local soils, whether one would flow faster than the other in the rain or on steep slopes, into a water course.

Naturally all these factors would drive the costs to the polluting company and would be a large part of the relative costs from the two splls, at least as far as the company is concerned. Whether the flora and fauna air and water, and soil react better or worse once polluted by a major spill would be the most important comparison for people concerned about the environment. I hope that helps you.

 

[petros]

Show me an example of the athabaska tar sands being called oil sands in the thirties. Tar sands are not an incorrect term, see my above reference to the dictionary. A dictionary is sometimes used as a reference point for the correct usage of a word.

The History of Alberta Oil that quotes the December 1939 issue of The Pre-Cambrian:

"The tar sands, or more properly the oil sands, of the McMurray area constitute probably the largest potential oil field in the world, and it has been the dream of many oil technologists to find an efficient and economic process of separating the oil from the sand in such a condition that it will be readily processed in a modern refinery into gasoline, Diesel and fuel oil, and road oils. The engineers of Abasand Oils Ltd., at Fort McMurray, have for some time grappled with the problem and have worked out a treatment which appears efficient and economical. . . . . It is expected that trial runs will be made before the end of the year and that the plant will be in fill operation early in 1940."
- Mr. L. C. Drummond,
Secretary-Manager of the Alberta and North-West Chamber of Mines,
Published December, 1939 in The Pre-Cambrian




Any questions?


You have some learning to do. LOTS of learning
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[taxslave]

The History of Alberta Oil that quotes the December 1939 issue of The Pre-Cambrian:

"The tar sands, or more properly the oil sands, of the McMurray area constitute probably the largest potential oil field in the world, and it has been the dream of many oil technologists to find an efficient and economic process of separating the oil from the sand in such a condition that it will be readily processed in a modern refinery into gasoline, Diesel and fuel oil, and road oils. The engineers of Abasand Oils Ltd., at Fort McMurray, have for some time grappled with the problem and have worked out a treatment which appears efficient and economical. . . . . It is expected that trial runs will be made before the end of the year and that the plant will be in fill operation early in 1940."
- Mr. L. C. Drummond,
Secretary-Manager of the Alberta and North-West Chamber of Mines,
Published December, 1939 in The Pre-Cambrian




Any questions?


You have some learning to do. LOTS of learning
​

Never happen. Those on a mission are not interested in facts. Or learning.

 

[beaker]

The History of Alberta Oil that quotes the December 1939 issue of The Pre-Cambrian:

"The tar sands, or more properly the oil sands, of the McMurray area constitute probably the largest potential oil field in the world, and it has been the dream of many oil technologists to find an efficient and economic process of separating the oil from the sand in such a condition that it will be readily processed in a modern refinery into gasoline, Diesel and fuel oil, and road oils. The engineers of Abasand Oils Ltd., at Fort McMurray, have for some time grappled with the problem and have worked out a treatment which appears efficient and economical. . . . . It is expected that trial runs will be made before the end of the year and that the plant will be in fill operation early in 1940."
- Mr. L. C. Drummond,
Secretary-Manager of the Alberta and North-West Chamber of Mines,
Published December, 1939 in The Pre-Cambrian

Any questions?

You have some learning to do. LOTS of learning
​

I know, isn't it great? I am really looking forward to it. You should try it sometime.

So the Tar sands were the Tar sands in 1939, and the industry was already trying to do the spin doc routine even back then. You would think that they would realize the fruitlessness of trying to argue with reality, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that revelation to sink in.

 

[petros]

Spin doctoring by giving the correct terminology in a scientific journal. I never knew they had climate scientists back then. Just goes to show how much you know about agriculture.

 

[taxslave]

I know, isn't it great? I am really looking forward to it. You should try it sometime.

So the Tar sands were the Tar sands in 1939, and the industry was already trying to do the spin doc routine even back then. You would think that they would realize the fruitlessness of trying to argue with reality, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that revelation to sink in.

Petros: There you have full confirmation of my previous post.
Is being functionally illiterate a prerequisite of being a lefty?

 

[petros]

Petros: There you have full confirmation of my previous post.
Is being functionally illiterate a prerequisite of being a lefty?

Lefty, Rightie is meaningless to me unless it's based in reality. You need to be in reality to read your surroundings alone let alone literature or icons.. Even apes are literate in iconography, gestures and posturing because they live within the bounds of reality.

 

[beaker]

Spin doctoring by giving the correct terminology in a scientific journal. I never knew they had climate scientists back then. Just goes to show how much you know about agriculture.

Yup, I can see your point, clear as a bell ringing on a winter sunday in PEI.

Petros: There you have full confirmation of my previous post.
Is being functionally illiterate a prerequisite of being a lefty?

Or is it rather that being willing to learn is a prerequisite to learning.