Awarenes

[china]

Awareness is that state of mind which observes something without any condemnation or acceptance, which merely faces the thing as it is. When you look at a flower non botanically, then you see the totality of the flower; but if your mind is completely taken up with the botanical knowledge of what the flower is, you are not totally looking at the flower. Though you may have knowledge of the flower, if that knowledge takes the whole ground of your mind, the whole field of your mind, then you are not looking totally at the flower.So, to look at a fact is to be aware. In that awareness, there is no choice, no condemnation, no like or dislike. But most of us are incapable of doing this because traditionally, occupationally, in every way, we are not capable of facing the fact without the background. We have to be aware of the background.We have to be aware of our conditioning, and that conditioning shows itself when we observe a fact; and as you are concerned with the observation of the fact and not with the background, the background is pushed aside. When the main interest is to understand the fact only, and when you see that the background prevents you from understanding the fact, then the vital interest in the fact wipes away the background.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Dexter Sinister ,Absolutely .

Yes, I was pretty sure you'd agree with that statement. I think it's self-referential nonsense that can't be decoded into anything meaningful. I didn't write it, I can't write crap like that, but lots of people can. Now read the whole exchange I lifted it from and you'll see some of the differences between my thought processes (I agree entirely with Robert Carroll's assessment of it) and yours.

 

[china]

Dexter Sinister

Truth will dawn upon your awareness as you lay aside the thoughts ,ideas,, indoctrinations and various mentations that interfere your perception of it .

You can’t be totally aware , Dexter, if you are choosing;if you say that China's writing is a "crap" and that you agree with Robert Carroll. If you say “This is right and that is wrong,” the right and the wrong depend on your conditioning. What is right to you may be wrong in the Far East. You believe in a savior, in the Christ, but they don’t, and you think they will go to hell unless they believe as you do. …To be aware is to be conscious of all this, without any choice, it is to be aware totally of all your conscious and unconscious reactions. And you can’t be aware totally if you are condemning, if you are judging, if you are justifying, or if you say, “I will keep my beliefs, my experiences, my knowledge.” Then you are only partially aware, and partial awareness Dexter, is really blindness.

 

[L Gilbert]

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Therefore if there is thought (you ,I) there is no awareness. ..........

Jeeeez. If you aren't aware of something there is no way possible you can think about it. Even if your imagination came up with something you'd be aware of it in order to think about it. No awareness, no thought. What you said here is just nonsense. If you think about yourself you must be aware of yourself.
Well, even if you haven't said anything rational here, you've certainly provided a fair bit of humor.

 

[china]

L Gilbert ,

Jeeeez. If you aren't aware of something there is no way possible you can think about it

You are correct LG, it's the other way around .Don,t stop now .

 

[china]

Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution. When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts he will see the division betweeen the thinker and the thought ,the observer and the observed , the experiencre and the experience ,that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical mutation in the mind. Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence.Obviously no one is being asked to belive in all this crap ; hope you don,t.

 

[darkbeaver]

So you really are claiming that you can understand something without knowing anything about it. All you've done so far in this thread is take a perfectly good, well-understood word, "aware," redefined it to mean something it doesn't, written a couple of paragraphs of incoherent nonsense about it, and responded with derision when you're called on it. That's pretty much the pattern of most of your threads. If you actually read any of my posts except my responses to you, you'd know perfectly well that my brain is not just "yes" or "no," I frequently express ambivalence and uncertainty and doubt quite plainly. Your pity is offensive. I've thought often of just ignoring your sillier posts, but in keeping with my policy of fighting ignorance and fuzzy thinking wherever I find it, I usually respond to you.

If my knowledge is crystallized, yours must be mush. Would you, for instance, agree with this statement?

"Simply put, truth is. It needs no defense, and need not be sought. Truth will dawn upon your awareness as you lay aside the thoughts, ideas, indoctrinations and various mentations that interfere with your perception of it. Similarly, love is. Love requires neither subject nor object. Love doesn't need a "this" or a "that" for you to fixate your affections upon. Love is a state of being, and level of consciousness that is known experientially as the blocks to love's awareness are surrendered."

"but in keeping with my policy of fighting ignorance and fuzzy thinking wherever I find it, I usually respond to you."

Niether of these statements from you is factual but rather a product of adherance to convention, the big bang never happened and the towers were demolished by explosives. You are aware on a certain mechanical level. What you percieve as inchoherant and nonsence may in fact be niether.
Long have you threatened to ignore Chinas brain food but it affords you such oportunity that you cannot let them pass and must strike the lure every time, you will be a fishermans dinner some day Dexter.:lol:

I hope you are enjoying the spring/summer with some outdoor recreation.:smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

I like to believe that I am aware of the sun, I am often convinced that I can feel it's warmth and see the world because of it's light. I am now aware that I have been mistaken and have dreamed all I think I know and am, I exist in a jar on a shelf in the magicians cave waiting to be added to some elixer that he will pour on his hanging garden to drive insects away, that will be my fullfillment:lol:.

 

[china]

darkbeaver ,
I like to believe that I am aware of the sun, I am often convinced that I can feel it's warmth and see the world because of it's light. I am now aware that I have been mistaken and have dreamed all I think I know and am, I exist in a jar on a shelf in the magicians cave waiting to be added to some elixer that he will pour on his hanging garden to drive insects away, that will be my fullfillment

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L Gilbert,

Whatever. You can be unaware if you like. At the moment I am aware of someone watching tv behind me, Whatever. You can be unaware if you like.At the moment I am aware of someone watching tv behind me, my fingers are pecking away at the keyboard, I have an itch above my right ear, and I want something to drink. So to me, an unaware person is a senseless person.

, I have an itch above my right ear, and I want something to drink. So to me, an unaware person is a senseless person.

You are conscious of these above things ,you are thinking about them .An awareness though it can be about thought, it is not off thought .
Don,t believe this crap anyway .

 

[L Gilbert]

L Gilbert ,



You are correct LG, it's the other way around .Don,t stop now .

You're trying to tell me that if you think about something , you aren't aware of it? aaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahaahhahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaha

 

[Dexter Sinister]

"I hope you are enjoying the spring/summer with some outdoor recreation.

Yes, I am, which is why my posting frequency has dropped off significantly in the last month or so.

But lemme just toss out this idea for the benefit of all the fuzzy New Age thinkers out there. My way of thinking, based on observation and testing and evidence and logic, has in the last 500 years or so produced the entire edifice of modern science and technology. The medical science and technology that keeps us healthy and long-lived, the sanitation systems that carry our wastes away, our knowledge of physics and chemistry and biology that have given us a great degree of control over our environment and a deep understanding of how nature actually behaves when probed, right down to the technology that enables us to share our thoughts in a forum like this, are all products of my way of thinking. In other words, it undeniably works, and it works spectacularly well. Compare that to the magical mystical way of thinking that seems to dominate China's thought processes. That way of thinking dominated humanity for about ten times as long as my way of thinking did, at least as far as we can tell from recorded history, and what has it ever done for us? Has it produced significant psychological insights, scientific insights, has it ever done anything to relieve human misery and suffering? Nope.

So given those track records, who's more likely to have a better grip on reality?

 

[L Gilbert]

Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. So now you are saying Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution. When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts he will see the division betweeen the thinker and the thought ,the observer and the observed , the experiencre and the experience ,that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical mutation in the mind. Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence.Obviously no one is being asked to belive in all this crap ; hope you don,t.

Thought = time = knowledge? Love = compassion = intelligence? lmao I think you're in need of a bit of a browse through a dictionary and some psychology books. Perhaps even take it one step further and go see someone trained in psychology or better yet, psychiatry.

 

[L Gilbert]

Chinas brain food

aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahahahahhahahaahhaahahahahhh What he/she uses for brain food is most likely hallucinogenic.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yes, I am, which is why my posting frequency has dropped off significantly in the last month or so.

But lemme just toss out this idea for the benefit of all the fuzzy New Age thinkers out there. My way of thinking, based on observation and testing and evidence and logic, has in the last 500 years or so produced the entire edifice of modern science and technology. The medical science and technology that keeps us healthy and long-lived, the sanitation systems that carry our wastes away, our knowledge of physics and chemistry and biology that have given us a great degree of control over our environment and a deep understanding of how nature actually behaves when probed, right down to the technology that enables us to share our thoughts in a forum like this, are all products of my way of thinking. In other words, it undeniably works, and it works spectacularly well. Compare that to the magical mystical way of thinking that seems to dominate China's thought processes. That way of thinking dominated humanity for about ten times as long as my way of thinking did, at least as far as we can tell from recorded history, and what has it ever done for us? Has it produced significant psychological insights, scientific insights, has it ever done anything to relieve human misery and suffering? Nope.

So given those track records, who's more likely to have a better grip on reality?

I think your words are nothing but wind past these persons, Dex. They are not aware. Um, senseless as it were. lmao If China could paint she/he would probably be a poor copy of P. Picasso: hardly capable of any reasonable facsimile of realistic production.

 

[china]

So given those track records, who's more likely to have a better grip on reality?

Oh ,common Dexter , I was only joshin ,everyone knows you're the best .

 

[china]

L Gilbert ,

You're trying to tell me that if you think about something , you aren't aware of it? aaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahaahhahahahahaahahahahahahahah ahahahhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaha

Nope ,I'm saying thought is thought and awarnes is not part of thought ,

 

[china]

L Gilbert

Thought = time = knowledge? Love = compassion = intelligence? lmao I think you're in need of a bit of a browse through a dictionary and some psychology books. Perhaps even take it one step further and go see someone trained in psychology or better yet, psychiatry.

When you don't agree with something or someone ,do you always revert to insults?

 

[L Gilbert]

It's not an insult, China. It's an expression of concern for your mental state.
Um, by the way, if I were of that bent, I would be "resorting" to insults, not "reverting" to them.

 

[L Gilbert]

L Gilbert ,



Nope ,I'm saying thought is thought and awarnes is not part of thought ,

Oh come on, China. You cannot think about something without being aware. You even have to be aware of thinking while you are thinking about something, at least consciously.

 

[china]

It's not an insult, China. It's an expression of concern for your mental state.

Hey LG, Likewise I was just about to express my concerns regarding your health after seeing your hysterical laughter in your 3 above posts; especially that you weren't really that convinced of what you were laughing about .But then I thought Why insult for an insult...right?

Um, by the way, if I were of that bent, I would

So,What bent are you Of?
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So like I said why insult for insult L G ,we are adults , Right LG ?
So disregard the above part of he post , its not there .