Awarenes

[L Gilbert]

Hysterical laughter? Hardly. I laugh as a result of things people say that strike me as being funny as well as the reaction my thoughts have to what they say. I have a sense of humor.
That, BTW, is my bent: humor.
Also, if you did not want me to read something that is "not there" you could edit it out.

 

[china]

L Gilbert ,

Also, if you did not want me to read something that is "not there" you could edit it out

Wow ,so that's how you do it., Thanks old Buddy .

 

[china]

L Gilbert

Oh come on, China. You cannot think about something without being aware.

What do you mean by thinking .;what is thinking ,where does it come from ;same thing about awareness, what is it?( keeping in mind that a word is not the thing it represents) obviously they are not the same thing . It doesn't take a genius or a scientist to think it out for one self .But you have to do it on your own ;nobody can help you or give you a ready answer LG except yourself .You have to to find your own truth .

 

[china]

In awareness there is only the present-that is, being aware, you see the past process of influence which controls the present and modifies the future.Awareness is an integral process, not a process of division. For example, if I ask the question, "Do I believe in God," -in the very process of asking, I can observe, if I am aware, what it is that is making me ask that question; if I am aware I can perceive what have been and what are the forces at work which are compelling me to ask that question. Then I am aware of various forms of fear-those of my ancestors who have created a certain idea of God and have handed it down to me, and combining their idea with my present reactions, I have modified or changed the concept of God. If I am aware I perceive this entire process of the past, its effect in the present and in the future, integrally, as a whole.If one is aware, one sees how through fear one's concept of God arose; or perhaps there was a person who had an original experience of reality or of God and communicated it to another who in his greediness made it his own, and gave impetus to the process of imitation. Awareness is the process of completeness, and introspection is incomplete. The result of introspection is morbid, painful, whereas awareness is enthusiasm and joy.
But don,t take my word for it-ask God ,and if no go ask Dexter Sinister .

 

[china]

China
What I'm saying is that if there is an Ego,is it possible to dissolve it through the process of which it forms so that
you don't have to manage it.Can you be free of the EGO???
The questions are , Is there an ego ,,can you be free of it?

Dexter Sinister

Knows No Bounds
Well, I see you're off on another of your strange tangents China. It's not clear to me what you mean by ego. I understand it to mean the part of the mind that's aware of itself, it's the awareness of yourself as an individual separate from other individuals, and in that sense I'd have to say yes, it certainly exists, and it's not an illusion. I'm not you, you're not me, and we can both perceive the existence of other egos separate from ourselves. I'm inclined to take a pretty hard-nosed view of such metaphysical questions: Do I exist? Yes. Do you exist? Yes. Are we different and separate? Yes. Is there an ego? Yes. Can you be free of it? No, of course not, it's what defines who you are to yourself, being free of it can only mean you're dead, and why would you want to be free of it anyway? You are, as am I, and every other person who's ever lived, an individual and unique person with interests and needs and desires defined by what we usually call the ego.

china

Mighty Intellect

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October 31st, 2006, 02:00 PM

Hello Dexter Sinister,
Well, I see you're off on another of your strange tangents China. It's not clear to me what you mean by ego
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Ok Dexter,this is not something that is highly pilosophical and difficult to understand.Do you remember teaching your children to play a ball game for the joy of playing and not to attach to much importance as to who wins ?...to play the game for the love of playing ? I think that all of us parents have done this.So,when the child is playing the the game just for the pure enjoyment of the activity ,not caring who "wins",then there is no ego involvement ,but when the child gives to much importance to the result of the ball game it becomes egoistical activity .

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Quoteexter Sinister ;
So given those track records, who's more likely to have a better grip on reality?
China

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Oh ,common Dexter , I was only joshin ,everyone knows you're the best .

I take that back Dexter I really was joking ,You are on an ego trip and your posts addressed to me are very offensive ,I do pity you.

 

[china]

In awareness there is no becoming, there is no end to be gained.There is silent observation without choice and condemnation, from which there comes understanding. In this process when thought and feeling unfold themselves, which is only possible when there is neither acquisition nor acceptance, then there comes an extensional awareness, all the hidden layers and their significance are revealed. This awareness reveals that creative emptiness which cannot be imagined or formulated. This extensional awareness and the creative emptiness are a total process and are not different stages. When you silently observe a problem without condemnation, justification, there comes passive awareness. In this passive awareness, the problem is understood and dissolved.In awareness there is heightened sensitivity, in which there is the highest form of negative thinking. When the mind is formulating, producing, there can be no creation. It is only when the mind is still and empty, when it is not creating a problem-in that alert passivity there is creation. Creation can only take place in negation, which is not the opposite of the positive. Being nothing is not the antithesis of being something. A problem comes into being only when there is a search for result. When the search for result ceases, then only is there no problem. In awareness there is no becoming, there is no end to be gained.There is silent observation without choice and condemnation, from which there comes understanding. In this process when thought and feeling unfold themselves, which is only possible when there is neither acquisition nor acceptance, then there comes an extensional awareness, all the hidden layers and their significance are revealed. This awareness reveals that creative emptiness which cannot be imagined or formulated. This extensional awareness and the creative emptiness are a total process and are not different stages. When you silently observe a problem without condemnation, justification, there comes passive awareness. In this passive awareness, the problem is understood and dissolved.In awareness there is heightened sensitivity, in which there is the highest form of negative thinking. When the mind is formulating, producing, there can be no creation. It is only when the mind is still and empty, when it is not creating a problem-in that alert passivity there is creation. Creation can only take place in negation, which is not the opposite of the positive. Being nothing is not the antithesis of being something. A problem comes into being only when there is a search for result. When the search for result ceases, then only is there no problem.

 

[MikeyDB]

Don't know if this observation is particularly germane in the context of a discussion of "awareness" but if "awareness" is somehow inherently bound to the sense of one's personal state of "being"....why do some animals "play"? Why would dolphins for instance blow circle rings? Sufficient study has determined that this behavior has nothing to do with communications and there seems little to link this behavior with learning... "Play" among many creatures is "practice" for hunting and for developing physical dexterity while exercising within a relatively "safe" situation. Many creatures that "play"...that exhibit behaviors that aren't logically bound to a survival skill or development of survival skills must? do so because they have a sense of awareness ....about their own happiness or contentment... The bonobos chimps for instance....

 

[L Gilbert]

L Gilbert
What do you mean by thinking .;what is thinking ,where does it come from ;same thing about awareness, what is it?( keeping in mind that a word is not the thing it represents) obviously they are not the same thing . It doesn't take a genius or a scientist to think it out for one self .But you have to do it on your own ;nobody can help you or give you a ready answer LG except yourself .You have to to find your own truth .

Thinking: the electrochemical processes occuring in the brain that allows us to solve problems, come to cinclusions, form ideas, etc. Awareness is just the sensations we encounter about our surroundings. For instance; I sense the Sol's warmth. I think about how good that warmth makes me feel.

 

[L Gilbert]

In awareness there is only the present-that is, being aware, you see the past process of influence which controls the present and modifies the future.Awareness is an integral process, not a process of division. For example, if I ask the question, "Do I believe in God," -in the very process of asking, I can observe, if I am aware, what it is that is making me ask that question; if I am aware I can perceive what have been and what are the forces at work which are compelling me to ask that question. Then I am aware of various forms of fear-those of my ancestors who have created a certain idea of God and have handed it down to me, and combining their idea with my present reactions, I have modified or changed the concept of God. If I am aware I perceive this entire process of the past, its effect in the present and in the future, integrally, as a whole.If one is aware, one sees how through fear one's concept of God arose; or perhaps there was a person who had an original experience of reality or of God and communicated it to another who in his greediness made it his own, and gave impetus to the process of imitation.

I can accept that as your view.

Awareness is the process of completeness, and introspection is incomplete. The result of introspection is morbid, painful, whereas awareness is enthusiasm and joy.

For you perhaps, this is true. I would suggest that sometimes awareness is A part in the process of completeness, not THE process, however. Sometimes the results of introspection are morbid and/or painful, but there are results of my introspection I find to be absolutely delightful: IE, when I decided that I should be atheist. It left a lot of my thought processes free of a dependence upon believing in superstitions and fear of death among other things. It also enables me to chat about the foolishness of believing in such things with a great deal of humor and enjoyment.
Another example is that if I do discover in myself something negative, then I am happy to to be able to recognize whatever it is that I am defficient in which enables me to change that negative aspect of myself.

But don,t take my word for it-ask God ,and if no go ask Dexter Sinister .

Thanks, I'll do neither. Why? Because I don't expect an answer from one of those you mentioned, and I will leave it up to the other as to whether he wants to supply his opinion on what you said.

 

[L Gilbert]

China
What I'm saying is that if there is an Ego,is it possible to dissolve it through the process of which it forms so that
you don't have to manage it.Can you be free of the EGO???
The questions are , Is there an ego ,,can you be free of it?

I don't know if it is possible to "dissolve" it without dying or becoming comatose. To me all ego is, is a sense of oneself. I have accepted that my ego is simply a part of me and I enjoy being aware of myself. So I have no wish to be rid of it.

 

[L Gilbert]

Don't know if this observation is particularly germane in the context of a discussion of "awareness" but if "awareness" is somehow inherently bound to the sense of one's personal state of "being"....why do some animals "play"? Why would dolphins for instance blow circle rings? Sufficient study has determined that this behavior has nothing to do with communications and there seems little to link this behavior with learning... "Play" among many creatures is "practice" for hunting and for developing physical dexterity while exercising within a relatively "safe" situation. Many creatures that "play"...that exhibit behaviors that aren't logically bound to a survival skill or development of survival skills must? do so because they have a sense of awareness ....about their own happiness or contentment... The bonobos chimps for instance....

And yet others, play for the sense of pleasure. Otters, for instance, climb a slope several times just to slide back down.
BTW, dolphins blow rings of bubbles to corral prey. On the other hand, they ride bow-waves for pleasure.

 

[china]

L Gilbert

Thinking: the electrochemical processes occuring in the brain that allows us to solve problems, come to cinclusions, form ideas, etc.

Where in a brain ,what part .