Autism... caused by Vaccinations?

[Tonington]

The vaccine hypothesis has some problems to explain, and as of yet is lacking evidence. Some of the problems, monozygotic twins have a concordance of 60-90%, while dizygotic twins show a concordance of only 5-10%. This follows that autism is a highly heritable trait.

Other problems, the ratio of male to females with autism is about 4:1. Some recent studies have found that mutations in sperm cells can cause autism without the parents having the disease. It's identified by the deletion of the neurexin 1 gene. And now there is a study suggesting that the protein CADPS2, a protein found in one region of chromosome 7, might predispose individuals to autism. An Abnormal form of the CADPS2 mRNA has been found in those with autism, but not as high in prevalence in their relatives.

So, maybe it's a polygenic trait. There seems to be good evidence for that hypothesis rather than a simply inherited trait.

 

[MikeyDB]

Tonnington

Great input thanks!

I suspect that we'll find out in the near future that genetics and environment have far more impact on susceptibility to even chronic diseases than has ever been considered.

Aids, cancer, MS a whole slew of disorders and diseases may very well be the process of evolution....

 

[Imp]

The vaccine hypothesis has some problems to explain, and as of yet is lacking evidence. Some of the problems, monozygotic twins have a concordance of 60-90%, while dizygotic twins show a concordance of only 5-10%. This follows that autism is a highly heritable trait.

Other problems, the ratio of male to females with autism is about 4:1. Some recent studies have found that mutations in sperm cells can cause autism without the parents having the disease. It's identified by the deletion of the neurexin 1 gene. And now there is a study suggesting that the protein CADPS2, a protein found in one region of chromosome 7, might predispose individuals to autism. An Abnormal form of the CADPS2 mRNA has been found in those with autism, but not as high in prevalence in their relatives.

So, maybe it's a polygenic trait. There seems to be good evidence for that hypothesis rather than a simply inherited trait.

That is interesting,Tonington.

I'm trying to study it open minded and leaving my emotions aside. I do believe the industry has included way more than needed in the vaccinations.

Do you have a link,please?

 

[Tonington]

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/464/geneticsofautism.pdf
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/JCI29031?content_type=abstract
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070503125726.htm

 

[Imp]

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/464/geneticsofautism.pdf
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/JCI29031?content_type=abstract
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070503125726.htm

Thank you.

 

[Tonington]

Welcome!

 

[tracy]

Hi, Imp;
this subject is not new to me. Yes, I am perhaps sarcastically realistic. :roll: Drug companies do not have our health and welfare first and foremost in mind. That's a myth! They are businesses oriented on making profits, HUGE profits for their executives, managers and shareholders!!!

No drug is ever a safe drug. Most bodies can deal with the side-effects and recover, but many bodies can not and show symptoms from mild to severe.
When I was a kid, the only vaccination I got was against small pox, and Mom says it made me quite ill, but I recovered.
I battled measles, mumps, chicken pox, whooping cough and scarlet fever with a nasty middle ear infection without anti-biotics, with my bodies own defenses ... all under six years of age! I have been a very healthy pig ever since!:lol:

Where do you find in this day and age a Mom who will administer a sweat-bath to her kid? Probably unheard of!!! The kid gets some anti-biotics plus whatever else to bring the fever down etc.
Fever is a natural defense mechanism of the body, you don't stifle it, unless it climbs too high.
My Mom would have me sit up in bed, wrap an in ice cold water dunked and wrung-out linen towel around my chest, that would make me yelp! Another dry towel over that, held tight to my body with safety pins. Then wrapped in a full-body sheet, including the head, only the eyes mouth and nose free. Then came two feather beds (ticks?) over top!! Oh, not to forget the two big mugs of chamomile tea I had to sip!! A hot water bottle by the feet.
This sweat bath (Schwitzbad) lasted for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours. And sweat I did!! Mom would come frequently to wipe the sweat from my face, because my arms were wrapped in under the big sheet.
Afterwards she would wash me down and put a fresh nightgown on me and all fresh bedlinen. I felt weak, but much better!!
Those were the "biotics" of the olden days!! I still swear by them!

You were very lucky. Unfortunately I see the bad result from those treatments and the delay in medical care. We have a lot of people here who either don't want medical treatment or can't afford it or simply believe that old traditional remedies are better. They try to make a child sweat something out and then because children and babies are so prone to dehydration and electrolyte imbalance anyways, they wind up near dead. Or they believe that it's best to allow a fever to go on, and they have no way of knowing when the fever will spike high enough to cause seizures. By the time it does, they can't prevent the damage. Or they believe in faith healing and only take the kid to the hospital when that doesn't work. By then, things have progressed too far. I'm always glad people survived infections on their own and I don't believe in taking children to the doctor for minor things or overusing antibiotics. I'm glad their bodies were able to fight off serious infections. I'm just aware that there were tons more whose bodies weren't able to do so.

 

[Zzarchov]

I personally don't go to doctors when Im sick. This isn't because I don't believe in new fangled modern science and medicine. Its quite frankly because I do believe in science and modern medicine is sorely lacking in it compared to other fields.

The staggering difference in scientific medicine between medicine and any other field of chemistry is mind boggling. Huge wastes of money and almost Alchemical scientific processes.

What medicine needs is to remove alot of its non-competitive government protections, throw the curtains open and encourage people to constantly improve and know not only which things work and don't, but WHY they work or don't work.

In the meantime I'll take my chances to myself before experimenting with a nice blend of science and pseudo-science so often doled out by local doctors.

 

[dancing-loon]

Hello, Imp;
I owe you an apology! I'm sorry, I never read your link with the interview with Robert Kennedy junior until a moment ago!! It's actually a bombshell! I believe what they are saying and revealing, as I have read other material to corroborate it with.

Thank you so much for providing it to us. I've already emailed it to a close friend.

 

[dancing-loon]

You were very lucky. Unfortunately I see the bad result from those treatments and the delay in medical care. We have a lot of people here who either don't want medical treatment or can't afford it or simply believe that old traditional remedies are better. They try to make a child sweat something out and then because children and babies are so prone to dehydration and electrolyte imbalance anyways, they wind up near dead. Or they believe that it's best to allow a fever to go on, and they have no way of knowing when the fever will spike high enough to cause seizures. By the time it does, they can't prevent the damage. Or they believe in faith healing and only take the kid to the hospital when that doesn't work. By then, things have progressed too far. I'm always glad people survived infections on their own and I don't believe in taking children to the doctor for minor things or overusing antibiotics. I'm glad their bodies were able to fight off serious infections. I'm just aware that there were tons more whose bodies weren't able to do so.

Hi, Tracy;
don't worry, my mother didn't make me sweat when I had the whooping cough at 15 month old nor the scarlet fever at age five! For the scarlet fever I was taken to a hospital and put into isolation with a bunch of other scarletty kids. It was the norm at that time to spend 6 weeks in hospital to get over it. Unfortunately, I developed a middle ear infection, that they punctured and drained without any anesthetic whatsoever... I was anyway almost delirious with a high fever, but I remember how I fought tooth and nail when I saw the doctor come with his kitting needle and cake-decorating tube to poke into my ear. They just held me down!! A week later I was allowed home! I would get frequent earaches until my mid-teens. After that I have never had any more trouble with my ears.

The Schwitzbad or also called Schwitzpackung was standard in our house, even my Dad, when he was really sick with the flue, allowed Mom to pack him in!!! Perhaps I should mention we lived in the country, hauled our water from a well, never had a bathroom... just an outhouse!! 8O8O:lol:

Yes, the doctor would come from the city if one was quite ill and couldn't make it on the bike to his office. I don't know if we had to pay for his services. I almost don't think so, my Dad was automatically insured through his work. I believe all workers and their families were insured. Could have been one of Hitler's first priorities to push through.

:tongue3::tongue3::la:

Tracy, remember how in the olden days the birth-giving mothers died like flies? They would rather give birth in the gutter than in a hospital!!! The doctors never washed their hands!!!! They didn't know yet about germs and how they were spreading them. It was Dr. Semmelweiss who figured it out and suffered their wrath!!!

If now we see how our kids are falling victims to scores of mental diseases, we should damn well be on red alert and not take the government's and drug companies' and researchers' pacifiers, because they are all inter-connected.... one pays the other, and the other bribes the government guys!!!
Our dark Beaver is a very informed guy and has so often said... just follow the money trail!! Damn right he is!! (Hi, Beaver, hope you don't mind? But, please, correct me if I am wrong;-))

 

[Imp]

Hello, Imp;
I owe you an apology! I'm sorry, I never read your link with the interview with Robert Kennedy junior until a moment ago!! It's actually a bombshell! I believe what they are saying and revealing, as I have read other material to corroborate it with.

Thank you so much for providing it to us. I've already emailed it to a close friend.

Thanks dancingloon, no need to apologize.

I am glad you read it and I too believe alot of what he said.

I also at times have my emotions wrapped in it and have to step away until I can face the issue without them.

I want the truth. I don't want to be led astray by propaganda but want to get to the heart of the matter.
I am not so naive to consider many other factors that may play part of autism.

 

[dancing-loon]

What is the bigger risk? The vaccine or not having it?

That's a fair question! I would rather have 100 polio cases than a 1000 mentally retarded/compromised kids.

Prevalence of autism in Canada

• Autism is now recognized as the most common neurological disorder affecting children and one of the most common developmental disabilities:

• Most recent epidemiological studies show that the prevalence has increased from 40 to 60 per 10,000 which represents approximately 190,000 Canadians
• Approximately one in 165 children have an ASD
• Number of cases is increasing worldwide

Immunization is also increasing worldwide!

Don't forget that we all live better due to much improved nutrition, and much improved hygiene and cleanliness generally. Clean water, sanitation, garbage removal. All stuff we didn't have hundred years ago!!
We don't need all these vaccines!!! The damage, always well concealed, never consistently and rigorously made public, is i.m.o. far greater than what they are suppose to prevent. This worldwide blanket medication is crazy, absurd, but very profitable to the drug companies and their lackeys.

[FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Medical health authorities, including doctors, nurses, and other members of the allopathic fraternity, employ a number of strategies designed to elicit parental submission to vaccine guidelines. Currently, parents are expected to grant authorities permission to toxify their children's pure and sacred little bodies with more than 30 blends of rare germs, bacteria, and other foul substances -- all before they enter school![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I ask you, Kreskin, are we not insane to subject our children to such idiocy? What is wrong with us parents? Don't we know anymore that we are the guardians of our children?[/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif]

Read here, it's very good!!!
[/FONT] http://www.thinktwice.com/ploys.htm

 

[karrie]

Don't forget that we all live better due to much improved nutrition, and much improved hygiene and cleanliness generally. Clean water, sanitation, garbage removal. All stuff we didn't have hundred years ago!!
We don't need all these vaccines!!!

Yet it's been shown that in areas where vaccination rates start to drop, the occurrences of these illnesses rise. There have been recent outbreaks of whooping cough for example.

 

[tracy]

That's a fair question! I would rather have 100 polio cases than a 1000 mentally retarded/compromised kids.

You're assuming that you can trade one for the other when you can't.

The increase in autism is largely just an increase in doctors choosing to label kids they wouldn't have labelled as "autistic" 10 years ago. It's better screening, more awareness and the inclusion of less severely affected children.

Plus, the whole theory of vaccines causing autism was that thimerisol caused it since it's a form of mercury and mercury is a neurotoxin. Thimerisol has been out of vaccines here for about 7 years, but autism cases have only increased in that time. If the theory had been correct we would have seen a drop in autism wouldn't we?

 

[dancing-loon]

Hi, Karrie;
you'll have to present me with a link or otherwise material where I can read it up.

 

[Praxius]

What is the bigger risk? The vaccine or not having it?

The Vaccine. I always figured there was something screwed up with those damn things. Yes, granted back when they were invented, they were actually "Vaccines" ~ Since then, they are used to continually fuel the Px Industry by infecting people with slightly more passive viruses which they claim are dead or whatever, but in turn everybody gets sick from them (Although they claim it's less sick then what you'd get without the vaccine.)

The very last time I got a vaccine was back in grade 10.... 12 or so years ago, and I'll tell you this from my own personal experience:

I have not had one major illness lay me up in bed since about a year after that. I'll have a typical cold here and there, but they sure don't seem as bad as when I was in high school being pumped full of those stupid shots. Runny nose, sore throat.... big whoop. Gone in a week or so.

I get a shot, guess what? When I get hit by a virus, I'm screwed for about a month, all the while buying into the cough medicines and remedies which are of course all placebos that may ease the feelings of being sick, but don't do squat about the virus..... so you're of course pumping more money into these Px and cold companies for nothing.

I'd sure believe these vaccines are responsible for such things, and considdering most of these companies work on statistics, if the chances of Autism are only cased in a small % of the population compared to how much they get in revenue, minus law suits paid out to the select few who can put two and two together..... they still make millions and wouldn't give two chunks of crap who is affected.

Same goes for car companies. If a defect is shown to be a health hazzard, they determine the amount of vehicles of that model are out on the roads, how much it'd cost for a recall, compared to the cost of the limited law suits they may have to pay out to shut people up.... if the recall is more then the lawsuits, they won't do a recall.

Capitalism at it's best.

Vaccines are great when they actually are vaccines. They are also great when there is a risk at hand of some kind of outbreak. But when you have giant societies like our own which are brainwashed into thinking you need these vaccines to survive every year or two to avoid huge outbreaks of viruses, you in turn have a very easy and wide market to tap into. Not only that, but the more you take in vaccines into your system, over time, the less effective they will become when the time actually arrives when you need them to be their most effective.

I am not against vaccines, but I am against the exploitation of them and the level it seems to go on without any actual monitoring for our own safety.

Don't just listen to people because they claim to be experts, use your brains and look into these things yourself and then judge what is best for you and your family. It doesn't hurt to look after your own best interests and to educate yourselves before you just follow suit with what everybody else does. If not, before you know it, you're just another Statistic.

 

[Praxius]

Oh and you guys want to know why the theory of vaccines related to these health issues is lacking?

Just look at the exact same industry we rely on for those statistics, who in turn issue these vaccines..... Of course the information is lacking. We're relying on the same people who issue this stuff to us by the billions, to in turn tell us the truth that what they're giving us is just perfectly fine.

Come on, seriously....

Added:

And I know a common question which will come my way from the above comments by myself:

"Prax, does this mean you won't get your children vacinated?"

No it doesn't.... But I'm sure not going to jump into it with both feet and blindly. I will determine what is best for my children at all times, not what someone else thinks is. If they present a logical case and makes sense to me, then so be it. But I would much rather think first before acting.

 

[karrie]

Hi, Karrie;
you'll have to present me with a link or otherwise material where I can read it up.

http://www.who.int/immunization_safety/aefi/immunization_misconceptions/en/index1.html

It doesn't get a whole lot more reliable to me than this.

(btw, if a five second google search turns up more than 10 links for me, I generally don't post sources)

 

[Praxius]

(btw, if a five second google search turns up more than 10 links for me, I generally don't post sources)

To me, it depends on what those 10 links say, where they're from and their reliability.

Do a generic search on google for marijuana and you'll get a plithora of anti-drug / drug abuse sites from the US which some still claim old sterio-types that have since been proven incorrect and still classify it up there with heroine or cocaine.......

*begins reading supplied link*

 

[dancing-loon]

Hi, Praxius;

don't wait too long with having children! Read here:

Older Fathers More Likely to Have Autistic Children

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/09/autism_fathers.html
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I wonder how old is an "older father"? Over sixty? There are quite a few of them, but they usually make up for it by mating with much younger women!!!:lol: