Attawapiskat gets attention!

Locutus

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Maybe if you took a long hard look in the mirror you'd catch on to who is really ignorant. Most of the chiefs are OK, it's just a few who spoil it for the rest. You're the one here who focuses on money at least directly. Perhaps before you have the qualification to be a moderator you should learn how to read. On the topic of mods I don't believe one of their duties is to abuse the participants, most of which can run rings around you in the intellect department. Every time you open your big trap a little more credibility goes down the drain. Enjoy your evening. :) :) :)

I'm not a moderator. Paradox took that position months ago. Try and keep up.

You could ask to be a volunteer yourself though. You could.

As you were.

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Dean Skoreyko ‏@bcbluecon

You'll notice Trudeau's name is not mentioned once in this story

Jean Chrétien's comments on Attawapiskat criticized in Commons

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chretien-attawapiskat-1.3533331#pq=8OPpIJ


Chris Chapman ‏@crchapman

Chris Chapman Retweeted Dean Skoreyko
Now, isn’t that strange?

Dean Skoreyko ‏@bcbluecon

Dean Skoreyko Retweeted Chris Chapman
Yup and now we know why, busy at a Liberal book signing event

guycarisse ‏@guycarisse

@bcbluecon The toad, our prime minister, not prepared to answer...@PMBUTTS has not told JT what to answer...has not watched the news!

too bad we couldn't have sent that flosstastic $1B cancellation fee from old mcguinty and wynne eh. 2 mil seems a tad feckless.

Ontario Health Minister announces $2-million in aid for Attawapiskat

Ontario Health Minister announces $2-million in aid for Attawapiskat - The Globe and Mail
 

Locutus

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Dean Skoreyko ‏@bcbluecon

What a damn liar http://pllqt.it/RpK6TW




Dean Skoreyko ‏@bcbluecon

Dean Skoreyko Retweeted Canada 2020
Apparently there were no other reporters who saw Trudeau at that book signing, not one

While MPs were participating in an emergency debate on the Indigenous youth suicide crisis, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was socializing with fellow Liberals at one of Ottawa’s swankiest restaurants.


https://www.buzzfeed.com/emmaloop/t...during-the-indigenous-s#.hxwy8zqNWP#pq=RpK6TW

Sorry, my mistake, my colour blindness seems to act up when I observe your name at the bottom of the home page. :) :)

Get well soon.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Look f**king genius, even though the world owes you a living, let's just suppose for sake of argument, that the money has been squandered by higher ups ...............you really think the children should be held accountable for that? I recently requested that Gerry post a list of acceptable opinions - maybe you could do the same so we lower peons don't get confused about what opinions are acceptable to you. "Meat head" fits you perfectly.................a piece with a big f**king bone in it! :) :) :) :)

So you are saying somebody arriving after the fact is not responsible for the sins of their elders? Seems to me you are suggesting (and rightly so) that it is no longer our problem.

No matter how much money is thrown at the problem it won't get to those kids. It will buy a guest house for the chief and maybe a new car for the elders.
 

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So you are saying somebody arriving after the fact is not responsible for the sins of their elders? Seems to me you are suggesting (and rightly so) that it is no longer our problem.

No matter how much money is thrown at the problem it won't get to those kids. It will buy a guest house for the chief and maybe a new car for the elders.


All chiefs aren't created equal. :)
 

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I don't believe the politicians give a d a m n about the Indian problems! All they ever do is make people THINK they are doing something about it.
They will just talk and talk and talk and throw a load of money into it and forget about it until the next crisis rears its head.
There doesn't seem to be one among them who is capable of making a firm decision and getting action on it.
How many years, how many problems have they been 'discussing' without any firm conclusions being reached?
One of the problems is this illusion of 'transparency' that the Liberals have become fixated on. They want to consult everyone, every group, consider and discuss. It is the Government's responsibility to make decisions and take action. The various groups and the public will either accept it or b I t c h about it, but at least it will get done!
All of the Liberal's 'consulting' appears to be an excuse to put off making a firm decision.
All they have done so far is blame the previous government for the messes. That is what every new government does, ignoring the fact that it is their responsibility to FIX it! Never mind how it came about, FGS! Just FIX it! But they never do.
Governments are made up of self-serving parasites with big egos and small brains. No wonder the world is in such a mess!
 

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he's typical of most easily swayed ignorant progs in this country...they ignore the pattern of obvious graft and crookedness...hope the next batch of 'chiefs' will finally be ok...maybe he hopes for more arms-length oversight that in turns pisses off the natives because old stocks are intervening, sticking their noses in indian business...maybe he hopes no supervision is necessary at all...we'll just heap the cash on them 'for the kids'...or some such talking point...he also ignores the very wealthy bands that also choose to ignore their fellow people by keeping their own lucky share of casino or oil revenues...but let's keep doing the same thing, let's keep at it.

no thank you.

Sending cash is the go-to solution for the typical simpering liberal do-gooder.

Makes 'em feel like they are actually doing something without having to actually think and more importantly, get their hands dirty

Just the opposite, change the procedure.

The core of 'the procedure' you have suggested remains the same; bury the problem in cash.

The real problems have been identified for many years and for reasons related to political correctness, no one wants to tackle them head-on, just to keep doing the same old (and failed) solutions over and over and over again
 

DaSleeper

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The problem I see on reserves is that the land and houses are community owned, and assigned to individual families by the chief and council that of course take the best units.
Any one of you, white , black, red or whatever.....ever seen a person who just rents a house, do any renovations or be proud of the appearance of his rental unit? or does he just call the landlord when something goes wrong?
A simple google search will show you that natives on reserves where the houses and the land are individually owned fare much better than than the rest....
 

captain morgan

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The problem I see on reserves is that the land and houses are community owned, and assigned to individual families by the chief and council that of course take the best units.
Any one of you, white , black, red or whatever.....ever seen a person who just rents a house, do any renovations or be proud of the appearance of his rental unit? or does he just call the landlord when something goes wrong?
A simple google search will show you that natives on reserves where the houses and the land are individually owned fare much better than than the rest....

You would change the entire on-reservation dynamic if the land was directly assigned to one individual or family ~ I am talking outright ownership here.

No longer would one person or Council have the ability to pick the winners and losers within their community and, as you rightly identify, pride of ownership goes a helluva long way
 

DaSleeper

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Here is a fairly good opinion piece written in the "Star" no less...:lol:
By: Christopher Alcantara Published on Sun Aug 19 2012
There is a lot of buzz in the media and online about the federal government’s plan to pass legislation that would create private property rights on Canadian Indian reserves.

Unsurprisingly perhaps, much of this buzz has been negative, with commentators expressing fear and doubt about the merits of the proposal.

Much of this apprehension, however, is based on misconceptions about what actually is being proposed.

The following are the top five myths about the proposed First Nations Property Ownership Act:

Myth 1: Indigenous peoples don’t need this legislation. The status quo is fine because doing business on-reserve is the same as doing business off-reserve.

In fact, doing business on-reserve is nothing like doing business off-reserve. The Indian Act imposes significant transaction costs on investors, discouraging them from investing on-reserve. Not only is economic development stymied, so too is the ability of band members to build and own their own homes because the Indian Act prevents band members from using their existing property rights as security for a loan or mortgage.

Myth 2: The legislation will result in each reserve being allotted entirely to individual members.

Although this is possible, the legislation will actually give each First Nation the opportunity to decide how much and which of its lands it will transform into individual private ownership. Most bands will probably be cautious at first and will allot only 5 to 10 per cent of their land to so-called “fee-simple” ownership, the type of property right that most Canadians currently enjoy when they buy property off-reserve. This probably is a good strategy given that the policy reform is new and untested.

Myth 3: First Nations already own their reserve land and so we don’t need this legislation.

In fact, title to reserve land is vested in the Crown. Ideally, the proposed legislation would transfer underlying title to the First Nations but the reality is that such a transfer is impossible because it requires a constitutional amendment. Instead, the legislation will accomplish the next best thing. It will transfer three important powers related to underlying title to each First Nation: jurisdiction (the band will have full authority to manage and administer these lands); the expropriation power (only the band, and not the Crown, will be able to expropriate reserve lands); and the reversionary power (individual fee-simple lands will revert to the band should a death without a will occur).

Myth 4: With an entire reserve allotted to private owners, band members could sell their lands to non-band members, thus threatening the integrity of the reserve.

The proposed legislation will indeed allow band members to sell their interests to non-band members and non-aboriginals, but this ability is a key strength of the proposal. Private ownership reduces transaction costs and increases the potential for economic activity on reserve lands. As well, armed with the necessary jurisdiction, the expropriation power, and the reversionary power, First Nations communities will always own their reserve land as a collective, no matter who owns the individual interests. When an American buys property in Canada, that piece of real estate does not become part of the United States. Instead, it remains a part of Canada, subject to all of its laws, customs and practices.

Myth 5: Not only is this proposal another example of top-down policy reform, the spirit of the reform offends aboriginal traditions of ownership.

But throughout their history indigenous peoples have had a diverse set of individual property rights. Many of these rights, however, were taken away by the Crown without their consent. This legislation is about restoring those rights, at least to those groups that decide voluntarily to opt into the legislation. As well, the idea for this legislation came from the indigenous community, rather than the Crown or academics. Specifically, the idea was the brainchild of Chief Manny Jules, who in turn borrowed it from the Nisga’a in northern British Columbia.

This legislation is not a panacea that will cure indigenous poverty. As well, First Nations that don’t want to go down this road have access to a number of excellent alternatives, such as the First Nations Land Management Act. Still, it’s a policy reform that is long overdue and has the potential to radically transform reserves across Canada in a positive way. Canadians need to respect the sovereign rights of indigenous peoples by not interfering with the decision of those First Nations who want these rights restored.


Private property on reserves: 5 myths | Toronto Star
 

JLM

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I agree completely, lone wolf...........though I highly doubt that it will happen under this government.


Yep, just stupid people keep trying things over and over that don't work. There should be no cash whatsoever handed out. Just direct payment of invoices from reputable customers. And then there is one more step, someone has to be on hand to see the goods end up where they are intended.

Sending cash is the go-to solution for the typical simpering liberal do-gooder.

Makes 'em feel like they are actually doing something without having to actually think and more importantly, get their hands dirty



The core of 'the procedure' you have suggested remains the same; bury the problem in cash.

The real problems have been identified for many years and for reasons related to political correctness, no one wants to tackle them head-on, just to keep doing the same old (and failed) solutions over and over and over again


I stipulated no cash just direct payment of invoices by reputable businesses.
 

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What will allow places like Attawapiskat to get better? The equal ability to receive a proper education in your own community in all its forms. Curricula that teach children about their culture and their language and their land. When children learn the importance of where they come from, and who they are, and that others in the world care for them, they begin to internalize that vital ingredient of self-esteem: a sense of pride in self and in community.

Of course education costs money. It is also the greatest single investment we can make in this country, especially in regard to our fastest-growing population. Let’s first agree to begin with actually investing just as much in our First Nations, Inuit and Metis youth as we do in every other group of youth across this country. It is simple logic. If there’s one thing I know as deeply in me as I know anything, I too would have been one of these brutal suicide statistics we hear about far too often, if it hadn’t been for the resources available to me to continue my own education in its different forms. This is a right for all youth in our country, not just those who happen to live in more urban places.

As my dear friend Gord Downie said when he and the rest of the Tragically Hip came to James Bay to perform their first high school gym show in 25 years, our nation is only as good as how we treat our most vulnerable, as how we respond to those most in pain.

Joseph Boyden: Attawapiskat, and the fallout of intergenerational trauma