Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

captain morgan

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I've said that since the beginning.


I recall that... It just always galls me though when one person's inaction (or stupidity) causes very real and tangible harm to others, especially when Spencer isn't paying anywhere close to the same price as the majority in that community.

The word hypocritical doesn't quite capture the derision that I feel
 

SLM

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It believe that it would have had twice the effect... Vindicate the Band as well as illustrate the real need to review the financial support.

Spencer et al really dropped the ball on this one

I think anyone who holds a leadership/public office role should be accountable to the public. Because that's the level of scrutiny that all officials should be held to. I mean, I live in London but if the mayor of Oshawa (for example) or, as in this case, a band leader from a remote Northern FN community is being questioned as to their handling of community funds, only the clear light of day allows everyone the opportunity to move forward.

Whether there is wrong doing or not, keeping things secretive only adds fuel to the fire of skepticism and judgement.
 

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The only thing that I would change in your statement is substituting the phrase 'legally liable' for 'accountable'.

Fair enough. In a perfect world, accountable would encompass all that is due to them.

It's bloody criminal what's happening to those folks in Attawapiskat
It is. The people are pawns in a power struggle. And they suffer for it.
 

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Ain't power-politics grand?

It makes me angry, really angry. It's frustrating to see that happening anywhere but the level of suffering is on a scale that should not be happening in this nation.

I understand that there is poverty through out the country, some of which the poverty stricken bear some responsibility for and some of which is a condition brought about through no real fault of their own. (We will always have people who struggle.) But when it's an entire community, it should not be something we should ever be able to ignore. We lament ad nauseum about the invisibility of the homeless in our cities, and it's true they are invisible to a large extent. But there is no way that many people should be invisible. How can it be ignored by the government, by their own "leadership" or by the nation as a whole? Yet it keeps happening, over and over again.
 

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It makes me angry, really angry. It's frustrating to see that happening anywhere but the level of suffering is on a scale that should not be happening in this nation.

I understand that there is poverty through out the country, some of which the poverty stricken bear some responsibility for and some of which is a condition brought about through no real fault of their own. (We will always have people who struggle.) But when it's an entire community, it should not be something we should ever be able to ignore. We lament ad nauseum about the invisibility of the homeless in our cities, and it's true they are invisible to a large extent. But there is no way that many people should be invisible. How can it be ignored by the government, by their own "leadership" or by the nation as a whole? Yet it keeps happening, over and over again.

You've touched on some real complex issues within your commentary; but in the end - the fact that the whole community (or just about damn near 100%) are in dire straits, that is the problem... So many of the critical questions can/could be answered if a 3rd party audit could be engaged, but that was blocked.

What makes this particular situation even more obscene is that there are the optics that a certain, very small segment of that community, not only benefited, but are now leveraging the very people that they exploited to divert the issue and possibly carve-off more benefit in the future..... THAT is what I find criminal in this whole mess (and I use the word ;criminal' very specifically)
 

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You've touched on some real complex issues within your commentary; but in the end - the fact that the whole community (or just about damn near 100%) are in dire straits, that is the problem... So many of the critical questions can/could be answered if a 3rd party audit could be engaged, but that was blocked.

That's the part that screams to me that this is not a situation in which you choose to make a point 'on principle'. Not when people are in such dire straits. You help them first, but whatever means are necessary, then you make your points.

While I know that there are always specific issues in a large scale problem that have to be taken into account that don't necessarily translate well this way, I always try to take issues down to a more simple level. In this case, instead of an entire community, take it down to the level of one family. So you have one family where there is no employment, substandard living conditions, no decent education for the kids. What is your first priority? Food, shelter, clothing are the basic needs that must be met before anything else can be accomplished. That should be the same priority on a community level.

What makes this particular situation even more obscene is that there are the optics that a certain, very small segment of that community, not only benefited, but are now leveraging the very people that they exploited to divert the issue and possibly carve-off more benefit in the future..... THAT is what I find criminal in this whole mess (and I use the word ;criminal' very specifically)
Yes, that sickens me as well. Again, whether or not anything untoward was done with community funding (and it's difficult to believe there was nothing given the great disparity in lifestyle) it still comes down to using people when you should be helping them. That is not a leader, not in my book.
 

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This bitch is stealing the limelight from Idle No More which is blocking real advocates of change from getting their message across.
 

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This bitch is stealing the limelight from Idle No More which is blocking real advocates of change from getting their message across.


Of course she is... She was a parasite on her own community, so why not leap at the opportunity to take-on a parasitic role on a much larger stage.

Maybe she ought to call the UN back in and they can audit the 'hunger strike' she is doing - you know, make sure that she doesn't have a stash of Oreos or anything like that.
 

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Man what the **** is up with some of the comments ive seen lately on Facebook...

Some idiots from the Nippissing First Nations calling regular Canadians Nazi's......

Man **** that....

You want to talk about your people and 100's of years ago... Well ill tell you about my people and what the nazis did to them 100 yrs ago....

My grandmas family wasnt put on reserves, put in residental schools or were handed money for free... They were shot in the back of the head, and if i were to ask them im sure they would want to be reserved instead of dead....
 
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The natives need to look at themselves to see where the problem actually lies. The chiefs and totem toppers are getting rich while the others are living in poverty.
 

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I hate to say it, but when I hear of an adult threatening a hunger strike unless 'X' happens,
I always think back to the child threatening to hold their breath until they get their way.

I'm not try'n to belittle the situation in Attawapiskat, but just being honest.

I've had similar thoughts about those who immolate themselves. Its been done.

It appears she has support from Canadian actor Adam Beach.

Thats not surprising.
 

captain morgan

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Just a question, because I honestly don't know the answer, but did he come out publicly in condemnation of the conditions that the community has to live in?


..... Only after his agent told him that this would be a great opportunity for him to get his name in the press... Apparently his acting ability wasn't too effective for that purpose, so this will do in a pinch