Atheist Church of the evolving Human God.

[Dexter Sinister]

Do you have faith there is no God or do you know 100% without any question?

Did you not read the post you cited? It said clearly, "I don't have faith at all that there is no god," talloola just doesn't believe there is one. It's not a matter of faith at all, it's simply a response to the claim that there is a god. And the response is the same as mine: the evidence and arguments offered in support of the claim are not sufficient to establish its truth, so we don't believe it. Your question is a false dichotomy.

 

[karrie]

I do both or whatever I must to try to correct the foolish and immoral.

Regards
DL

uh huh, exactly.

 

[talloola]

Do you have faith there is no God or do you know 100% without any question?

I will repeat, faith doesn't enter into it, and I don't go around telling others I know there is no
god, as that is rather arrogant, I don't believe in such things as gods, makes no sense to me at all,
I could never talk myself into sitting on the fence wondering, I don't wonder, gods are something
for other types to think about if they wish, but not I.
I do not need to prove there is no god, as no one has ever proved there is.

Well then why are you ranting at me about your atheism when I'm talking to him about his religious threads? I'm sorry but I really don't follow.

yeah, I get your point, I should have posted separately, and not a reply, the reply was agreeing with
you, then it mushroomed into a rant. lol sorry

 

[darkbeaver]

You can't correct people's foolishness and immorality unless they first agree that they're foolish and immoral. That's a pretty hard sell when what you consider foolish and immoral is their religious beliefs, especially when you open the conversation from such a condemnatory and aggressively judgmental position. Besides, I don't think you can label beliefs as moral or immoral, only actions can be judged that way. Can't condemn people for what they think about, only for what they do, or we'd all be in jail.

You'll never get atheists to join a hive either.

Yer amazein Mr Pot

 

[Dexter Sinister]

We all live and learn, Mr. Kettle.

Well, maybe not ALL of us. You still haven't learned that the electric universe theory is nonsense.

 

[darkbeaver]

We all live and learn, Mr. Kettle.

Well, maybe not ALL of us. You still haven't learned that the electric universe theory is nonsense.

Still confused about charge separation in space eh. You are a superstitious rustic as far as space is concerned Mr Pot.

I will repeat, faith doesn't enter into it, and I don't go around telling others I know there is no
god, as that is rather arrogant, I don't believe in such things as gods, makes no sense to me at all,
I could never talk myself into sitting on the fence wondering, I don't wonder, gods are something
for other types to think about if they wish, but not I.
I do not need to prove there is no god, as no one has ever proved there is.

Who makes flowers then and what about love, where does that come from? How about the perfume from lilac bushes, what makes stars twinkle, where does laughter come from and cute cuddly little babies puppies, bunnies and tiny little adorable beavers? eh what about that stuff.

 

[karrie]

You know, out of all the things that science has taught me about, one that really makes me go 'now why would that be there?', is the genetic switch present in animals, for domestication. Why the hell would evolution have a built in genetic switch to enable domestication of animals? And why would it be so human tailored and identical in all domesticated species? How does that not get people wondering?

 

[talloola]

Still confused about charge separation in space eh. You are a superstitious rustic as far as space is concerned Mr Pot.



Who makes flowers then and what about love, where does that come from? How about the perfume from lilac bushes, what makes stars twinkle, where does laughter come from and cute cuddly little babies puppies, bunnies and tiny little adorable beavers? eh what about that stuff.

no one knows yet, why all of those things happen, but just because I don't know that answer is not a
reason to think some god is responsible, many things have allready come to light thru science and just
common sense, others will follow, you or I won't be here to find out if we have friends on other
planets that put us here, or if we just appeared in the water along with the other millions of
bits of life, but nothing tells me it was some myth like a god, I don't think that way.

 

[eh1eh]

Do you have faith there is no God or do you know 100% without any question?

Faith is for those not willing to explore all possibilities.
The ways the universe could have been created are nearly infinite. Why blindly accept just one?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You know, out of all the things that science has taught me about, one that really makes me go 'now why would that be there?', is the genetic switch present in animals, for domestication. Why the hell would evolution have a built in genetic switch to enable domestication of animals? And why would it be so human tailored and identical in all domesticated species? How does that not get people wondering?

I don't think that's how it works. We've successfully domesticated only a handful of the species potentially available, most wild animals can't in fact be readily domesticated.

 

[petros]

I don't think that's how it works. We've successfully domesticated only a handful of the species potentially available, most wild animals can't in fact be readily domesticated.

We have feral humans walking around our streets. We call them "homeless".

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Still confused about charge separation in space eh. .

Not at all. I understand Maxwell's equations, I can do the mathematics, something you've never shown any evidence you can do, and I know the stars can not be powered by electric currents.

 

[French Patriot]

Enjoy your religion,(whomever is,) and I will enjoy my freedom from it.

Indeed but you should also plan the same for those you love and from what Mr. Haigt says, it takes an organization of some kind to insure that. A called it a church but it could be something else. I just went with a recognizable word.

North Texas Church of Freethought

Regards
DL

You can't correct people's foolishness and immorality unless they first agree that they're foolish and immoral. That's a pretty hard sell when what you consider foolish and immoral is their religious beliefs, especially when you open the conversation from such a condemnatory and aggressively judgmental position. Besides, I don't think you can label beliefs as moral or immoral, only actions can be judged that way. Can't condemn people for what they think about, only for what they do, or we'd all be in jail.

You'll never get atheists to join a hive either.

Yet I already know of a few hives on the go.

I have one link just above and there are others so your last is obviously wrong.

Do I hear a recant?
I did not think so.

As to the rest, sure it is hard but for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

Regards
DL

You know he's not an atheist right? He just has a different type of religion he's selling

If true then get the quote.

Misrepresenting someone is lying.

Regards
DL

 

[talloola]

Indeed but you should also plan the same for those you love and from what Mr. Haigt says, it takes an organization of some kind to insure that. A called it a church but it could be something else. I just went with a recognizable word.

As to the rest, sure it is hard but for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.



If true then get the quote.

Misrepresenting someone is lying.

Regards
DL

you say what I 'should' do, that is not your call, only for yourself, it is arrogant to insist others
'should' do as you say.
It is also arrogant to accuse others of being 'evil', you are downgrading your level of respect from
others.
Have you ever heard of a mistake that nothing to do with lying, just a mistake, quite innocent.

It never fails to interest me, how the religious keep knit picking at those who don't believe what
they do, don't forget it is just a belief, not a fact.

We can all believe or not believe all kinds of things, it is not a bother to anyone else, it is none of their
business, unless one pushes or unlawfully attacks others for their 'own' thoughts.

I am very happy with my position on gods and religion, that is important, and if you are happy with
your beliefs, same with you, but you don't seem to be content, you seem restless in your interference
in others beliefs, try to relax, be cool, chill out, take a deep breath, smile, take a good look at our
earth and see what a beautiful home you have, and enjoy it.

 

[French Patriot]

you say what I 'should' do, that is not your call, only for yourself, it is arrogant to insist others
'should' do as you say.
It is also arrogant to accuse others of being 'evil', you are downgrading your level of respect from
others.
Have you ever heard of a mistake that nothing to do with lying, just a mistake, quite innocent.

It never fails to interest me, how the religious keep knit picking at those who don't believe what
they do, don't forget it is just a belief, not a fact.

We can all believe or not believe all kinds of things, it is not a bother to anyone else, it is none of their
business, unless one pushes or unlawfully attacks others for their 'own' thoughts.

I am very happy with my position on gods and religion, that is important, and if you are happy with
your beliefs, same with you, but you don't seem to be content, you seem restless in your interference
in others beliefs, try to relax, be cool, chill out, take a deep breath, smile, take a good look at our
earth and see what a beautiful home you have, and enjoy it.

You say it is not my call to tell you what to do and then proceed to tell me what to do. LOL.

I am well aware of mistakes and what the one making it should do.
You do not it seems but not to worry, I will not tell you what the appropriate response should have been.
I will let you wonder and learn from your mistake on your own.

Regards
DL

 

[talloola]

You say it is not my call to tell you what to do and then proceed to tell me what to do. LOL.

I am well aware of mistakes and what the one making it should do.
You do not it seems but not to worry, I will not tell you what the appropriate response should have been.
I will let you wonder and learn from your mistake on your own.

Regards
DL

I was careful in my response, and did not use the word should, but here you go again, "I will let you"?,
no me thinks not, my life does not move along with any connection to what you are letting me do.
Explain how you have the ability to let me do anything.
You seem to be putting yourself up on some level that makes you think so highly
of yourself, you can 'let' others do things or not, jeesh, how arrogant.
what would happen if you decided 'not' to let someone do what they decide,
do you have some power in the world to control them?
Do you view yourself as one of the gods you so strongly believe in?

I was noticing by your approach to others that you 'seemed' to be restless in your life because of
what others are doing that you don't approve of, but 'no', I don't want to tell you what to do,
but did suggest that you relax and enjoy your life, seems like good thoughts from one to another.

 

[darkbeaver]

Not at all. I understand Maxwell's equations, I can do the mathematics, something you've never shown any evidence you can do, and I know the stars can not be powered by electric currents.

You are obviously a simple person of great faith, possibly the anti christ himself. As for the math it's garbage in garbage out that's why you have such faith in the gravity model. I wonder how much you are willing to test that faith of your's? How much money would you bet against the electric model?

no one knows yet, why all of those things happen, but just because I don't know that answer is not a
reason to think some god is responsible, many things have allready come to light thru science and just
common sense, others will follow, you or I won't be here to find out if we have friends on other
planets that put us here, or if we just appeared in the water along with the other millions of
bits of life, but nothing tells me it was some myth like a god, I don't think that way.

You know how old the term "come to light" is. Well the oldest science of them all was and is reason and the light was determined to be God and nothing else was admitted to be God, just the light, carrier of the self conscious mind. We celebrate the incarnation of reason in man, that is the whole lesson of religion as it was taught for thousands of years previous to our age.

 

[talloola]

You are obviously a simple person of great faith, possibly the anti christ himself. As for the math it's garbage in garbage out that's why you have such faith in the gravity model. I wonder how much you are willing to test that faith of your's? How much money would you bet against the electric model?



You know how old the term "come to light" is. Well the oldest science of them all was and is reason and the light was determined to be God and nothing else was admitted to be God, just the light, carrier of the self conscious mind. We celebrate the incarnation of reason in man, that is the whole lesson of religion as it was taught for thousands of years previous to our age.

if you believe those stories, fine, not I.

determined to be? that is just believed to be.

 

[petros]

I don't believe there is an al Qaeda, many will jump and down saying there is. Is there an al Qaeda?

 

[damngrumpy]

First of all to come to a concrete resolve of what is foolish and what is moral and immoral.
There are people who think some things are foolish while others don't agree and then
there is the whole topic of morality itself. One person might think for example living together
is immoral if not married and someone else says so what.. There are many definitions of
morality. There is a difference between morality and criminal behavior.
I think for the most part society has determined where morality ends and criminal behavior
begins, yet there is no consensus on what is moral and immoral, in many cases.
So good luck ending foolishness and immoral actions as a broad definition.