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Haiti, Islamic Relief, UNICEF & the Scientologists
Arizona's New Flag...
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Is the fence electrified? And was it erected by federal government, or was it a case of California pulling an Arizona? There are ways to ensure that illegals don't cross the fence. As i said, there is a way, but there isn't a will.
Then the proper response would be to pressure the federal government, to elect representatives who will do something to curb illegal immigration, rather than pass a law which will target the Hispanics, both legal and illegal.
I have already described how federal government could solve the problem. Indeed, if Canada has a similar problem of illegals coming across Canada/US border, we definitely will do something about it, probably along the lines of an electrified fence.
But in USA it is both forces of the left and the right which are opposed to tackling the problem. The left, because it sympathizes with Hispanics, that is a loyal voter cosntituency. The right, because big business wants illegal immigration to continue.
USA is not a racist country, ironsides, but parts of USA are definitely racist. Have you forgotten your own history of civil rights struggle in the Bible Belt? When they tried to desegregate University of Alabama, the Alabama governor himself stood at the gates of the university to prevent black students from entering.
They had to send in the troops to the South to enforce civil rights laws. The legacy of the old ways still lingers in the South.
Besides, Arizona has recent history of racism, when they refused to recognize MLK birthday as a holiday (by then it was the only state in the country to refuse to do so).
So considering the history of the South in general and history of Arizona in particular, it is my considered opinion that the law is xenophobic and racist.
You are trying to dilute the racial connotation for which the flag was designed.
The fact is, this law to be enforced requires the officer to racial profile.
O.K. geer, boo whatever you will to my next comment, nevertheless, at one time I lived in the USA as a "wetback" (illegal).
Yup, blonde hair, blue eyes, white. My best friend was hispanic, brown skin. Who do you think they questioned when we were close to the southern border?
They never once bothered me... (racial profiling at it's best)
Later I married a U.S. Citizen which quickly fixed my status. For what good it did I returned to Canada to live 4 years ago after a 14 year hyadas south of the border and in Mexico.
Canada really is the best country to live in the WORLD!! :canada:
(just took me 14 years and living in another country to see it)
Precisely what I have been saying all along, B00Mer. Why would a police officer in Arizona suspect a blue eyed blonde of being in the country illegally? Of course they are going to suspect the Hispanic. The implementation of the law will be purely racist in nature, and I think the lawmakers know it.
Was there ever any doubt? Welcome back to the best country in the world. I have lived in USA for seven years and UK for eight years. While I thoroughly enjoyed living in both countries, we still have contacts in both countries and I frequently visit both countries (I am visiting USA in June, UK in August), I can unequivocally say that neither of the two countries hold a candle to Canada.
The only country that comes close to Canada in terms of quality of life is Australia (and perhaps New Zealand, though I understand standard of living is much lower there compared to Canada).
Wouldn't that be slightly related to numbers and origins of the people in the country illegally?
With all the anti-Immigration and other lightning rod issues the state of Arizona is passing.. I think the state of Arizona needs to change their flag.
Not really for or against the new law, just think their are better ways to enforce immigration laws..
I would start by building a fence... then when you have control over the flow of illegals, deal with the ones already in the USA.
Needlessly insulting.......and way too far out to even be fair comment....
BTW, Arizona did build a fence, with cameras, infra-red, thermal imaging, fence disturbance alarms. They trusted high tech....and spent hundreds of millions of dollars.
Unfortunately.....it doesn't work.
Back to catching them in the USA, and tossing them back over the border.
I am not sure Arizona building a fence will do much good, illegals will simply enter from other places. It is like Washington DC bringing in hand gun ban. The ban is useless if anybody can bring in a truckload of handguns from Virginia.
Fence should be built along the entire border, and it should be electrified. Arizona fence was probably unsuccessful because these things did not happen.
Quite so. So the better solution is to make sure that illegal immigrants find life too risky or uncomfortable in Arizona, and move on to other places, or back home.
With all the anti-Immigration and other lightning rod issues the state of Arizona is passing.. I think the state of Arizona needs to change their flag.
Not really for or against the new law, just think their are better ways to enforce immigration laws..
I would start by building a fence... then when you have control over the flow of illegals, deal with the ones already in the USA.
The fence only goes so far, it is pretty impenetrable, most just walk around it across the Sonora Desert where some get lost and die (very wild and dry area) or get caught and are sent back. The Arizona law is intended to catch those who get across the border. As I mentioned though, Arizona is not the only state that will send illegals back, other ones will do it if they are caught committing a crime and in the course of the investigation they are found to be in this country illegally. By the way, it is not just Mexicans that are caught and sent back. Nothing Nazi about sending/deporting illegals back to where they came from. Countries do have the right to secure borders that should be respected. Sneaking across safely does not mean you can stay. As you said, enjoy Canada.
You cannot do that without making life also difficult for legal Hispanics (or indeed, all the legal brown people, from South America, Indian subcontinent etc.).
While trying to harass the illegals, you are also harassing legal citizens, some of whom may have been in the country for generations, perhaps longer than many white people.
Now, this may not bother Republicans. Many of them tend to be racists, and besides, brown people mostly don't vote Republican anyway. However, that doesn't make it right.
From: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/379167/Mexico
Mexico’s population is composed of many ethnic groups, including indigenous
American Indians (Amerindians), who account for more than one-sixth of the total,
and Mexicans of European heritage (“whites”), who are nearly as numerous.
Generally speaking, the mixture of indigenous and European peoples has produced
the largest segment of the population today—mestizos, who account for nearly two-thirds
of the total—via a complex blending of ethnic traditions and perceived ancestry.
Now...pretend you're an Arizona Law Enforcement Officer. Pick out the Mexican below:
8O
Here's a hint:
...and this (just used for an example) could complicate the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mexican_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
Or this, for the racial profiling concept. How many girls shown fit the mental stereotype
of a "Mexican" that some seem to have? How many don't?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biH0uGHsPaU&feature=related
P.S. Which Mexican peoples do you figure are sneaking across the Northern Border
into the USA? The Mexicans predominantly living in the North of Mexico, or those
living in the South of Mexico?
Mexico’s population is composed of many ethnic groups, including indigenous
American Indians (Amerindians), who account for more than one-sixth of the total,
and Mexicans of European heritage (“whites”), who are nearly as numerous.
Generally speaking, the mixture of indigenous and European peoples has produced
the largest segment of the population today—mestizos, who account for nearly two-thirds
of the total—via a complex blending of ethnic traditions and perceived ancestry.
Now...pretend you're an Arizona Law Enforcement Officer. Pick out the Mexican below:
8O
Here's a hint:
...and this (just used for an example) could complicate the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mexican_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
Or this, for the racial profiling concept. How many girls shown fit the mental stereotype
of a "Mexican" that some seem to have? How many don't?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biH0uGHsPaU&feature=related
P.S. Which Mexican peoples do you figure are sneaking across the Northern Border
into the USA? The Mexicans predominantly living in the North of Mexico, or those
living in the South of Mexico?
From: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/379167/Mexico
Mexico’s population is composed of many ethnic groups, including indigenous
American Indians (Amerindians), who account for more than one-sixth of the total,
and Mexicans of European heritage (“whites”), who are nearly as numerous.
Generally speaking, the mixture of indigenous and European peoples has produced
the largest segment of the population today—mestizos, who account for nearly two-thirds
of the total—via a complex blending of ethnic traditions and perceived ancestry.
Now...pretend you're an Arizona Law Enforcement Officer. Pick out the Mexican below:
8O
Here's a hint:
...and this (just used for an example) could complicate the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mexican_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
Or this, for the racial profiling concept. How many girls shown fit the mental stereotype
of a "Mexican" that some seem to have? How many don't?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biH0uGHsPaU&feature=related
P.S. Which Mexican peoples do you figure are sneaking across the Northern Border
into the USA? The Mexicans predominantly living in the North of Mexico, or those
living in the South of Mexico?
The question is not which Mexicans are sneaking across the border. The question is who will be suspected and questioned. That will be predominantly brown people, both Mexicans and non Mexicans.
But that's racial profiling! After all, it seems to wrong that when the police, in their normal lawful encounter with a person, are not supposed to check on whether people are in the country legally or not, why are they allowed to do so when a person has been charged with a crime?
Of course it does. We're talking about an immigration problem with a specific group of people.
Wetback doesn't mean illegal alien. It has a specific connotation and stems from a specific operation, for a specific reason.
You're kidding right?
Of course it does. We're talking about an immigration problem with a specific group of people.
What you people fail to realize is, in the area we're talking about, the illegal immigrants are from a specific area of origin and are a specific race. If the local cops put out an APB for an FBI in my neighbourhood, I'm going to get stopped. Does that mean I should get my balls in a knot? No.
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If they are caught they will be sent back, color does not mean a thing. Racial profiling just helps simplify it. If the money was available, I would support randomly stopping everyone and asking for identification. Just like they check for drunk drivers.
Those in the South move north just to get ready to run the border, it may take them months or years to come up with the money to pay coyotes to get them across. It really does not matter where they come from, north or south all are illegal. The majority actually come from the Central American countries.From: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/379167/Mexico
Mexico’s population is composed of many ethnic groups, including indigenous
American Indians (Amerindians), who account for more than one-sixth of the total,
and Mexicans of European heritage (“whites”), who are nearly as numerous.
Generally speaking, the mixture of indigenous and European peoples has produced
the largest segment of the population today—mestizos, who account for nearly two-thirds
of the total—via a complex blending of ethnic traditions and perceived ancestry.
Now...pretend you're an Arizona Law Enforcement Officer. Pick out the Mexican below:
8O
Here's a hint:
...and this (just used for an example) could complicate the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mexican_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
Or this, for the racial profiling concept. How many girls shown fit the mental stereotype
of a "Mexican" that some seem to have? How many don't?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biH0uGHsPaU&feature=related
P.S. Which Mexican peoples do you figure are sneaking across the Northern Border
into the USA? The Mexicans predominantly living in the North of Mexico, or those
living in the South of Mexico?
...and that wouldn't be too effective if one out'a every six Mexicans has
the same complexion & features that I'm assuming you have. Perhaps
other clues will have to play into the situation like accents or even
Identification Documents of some type.
Of course it doesn't. The Irish get sent back all the time from Boston. Usually they leave on their own when they can't get an extension. There was a Danish guy at work who held a management position and did not keep up on his status. He had to go back. My cousin from Canada tried to stay here as a nurse but had to go back as well. Yet Latino's think they should have preferential treatment for some reason. So they use the race card. For the most part we laugh at the accusation that following the law is racist. That word has been watered down so much and folks pay no mind to it any longer.
That is one thing you don't hear to much of anymore, Irish and other Europeans being sent back. I just happens quietly and no one says anything about it.