Arizona's Immigration Law

ironsides

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Liberal back is against the wall? Surely you jest. Republicans have given a gift to Democrats; they have made Hispanics mad all over the nation. This law may just rile up Hispanics enough to come out and vote in the November election (which they otherwise wouldn’t have).

I suspect this is going to help many Democrats nationwide, these who have a large Hispanic constituency (like Harry Reid). McCain himself may have some difficulty winning his seat (assuming he doesn’t lose in the primary to the teabagger). As gopher pointed out, the Arizona Republican governor is behind in polls, the Democrat opponent is leading.

If you think Democrats are worried as a result of this law, you are seriously mistaken. It is the Republicans who are worried; many national Republican figures have already distanced themselves from this law.

For a change, Republicans are not united on the issue, they are not all reading from the official copybook.
FDR passed the law
 

lone wolf

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The laws are already in place. Arizona is just going to use them. If a cop wants to know who you are, even in Canada, they have that duty - whether you be red, yellow, black, white, green or pink with purple polka dots.
 

CDNBear

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Why can't all the opponents of this law argue it on a legal standing?

Why does it have to come down to right v left?
 

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Why can't all the opponents of this law argue it on a legal standing?

Why does it have to come down to right v left?

Are you kidding? It could actually produce some brain activity which could lead to headaches for those who aren't used to it.
 
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CDNBear

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I see as soon as you ask for the left to put up some form of realistic debate, based on legal precedent. The sounds of silence become deafening.
 

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I see as soon as you ask for the left to put up some form of realistic debate, based on legal precedent. The sounds of silence become deafening.

Hey, I generally consider myself left-leaning myself in some respects at least, though perhaps critical left might be more appropriate a term.
 

CDNBear

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Hey, I generally consider myself left-leaning myself in some respects at least, though perhaps critical left might be more appropriate a term.
I don't think of you as left Machjo. You're more a realist. We may not agree on every topic, but that's because we have different perspectives.
 

Machjo

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I don't think of you as left Machjo. You're more a realist. We may not agree on every topic, but that's because we have different perspectives.

You might be right; maybe I'm not so leftist. Or maybe I'm a leftist in a more Churchillian sense of the term:

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

Essentially, I tend to sympathize with the left, with its intentions. I just think though that it's not always rational. Then again, sympathizing with the left does not necessarily make one a leftist himself of course.

On the other hand, some on the right are right fruitcakes themselves, some of whom truly have no heart.
 

CDNBear

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You might be right; maybe I'm not so leftist. Or maybe I'm a leftist in a more Churchillian sense of the term:

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

Essentially, I tend to sympathize with the left, with its intentions. I just think though that it's not always rational. Then again, sympathizing with the left does not necessarily make one a leftist himself of course.

On the other hand, some on the right are right fruitcakes themselves, some of whom truly have no heart.
It's in the fact that you analyze it with critical thought, and not filter things with an ideology, I find virtue in your contributions.

A wise man once said to me, "CDNBear, you use critical thought, I can give no high praise online."

I offer that praise on to you Machjo.
 

Machjo

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It's in the fact that you analyze it with critical thought, and not filter things with an ideology, I find virtue in your contributions.

A wise man once said to me, "CDNBear, you use critical thought, I can give no high praise online."

I offer that praise on to you Machjo.

thanks Care Bear.
 

ironsides

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What are you talking about? FDR passed the Arizona law?
During FDR's administration our immigration laws were passed. Arizona did not change anything, they just started enforcing a federal law that the goverment was not enforcing. Arizona is just obeying the law. President Obama, Clinton as well as Bush refused to enforce it (thus they broke the law). Once again, just enforce the laws already in place, and close the border if needed. You do not need a fence for all its length, most of the unprotected area's are arid desert, fairly easy to patrol with aircraft.
This law is not a republican or democratic issue, never was, just everyone ignored it..


 
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Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's

Mexican President Felipe Calderon denounced as "racial discrimination" an Arizona law giving state and local police the authority to arrest suspected illegal immigrants and vowed to use all means at his disposal to defend Mexican nationals against a law he called a "violation of human rights."
But the legislation, signed April 23 by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, is similar to Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion — the General Law on Population enacted in Mexico in April 2000, which mandates that federal, local and municipal police cooperate with federal immigration authorities in that country in the arrests of illegal immigrants.
Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," violate Mexican law, are not "physically or mentally healthy" or lack the "necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.
Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's - Washington Times

 

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I saw a teaser item leading into some newscast tonight (CBS, maybe) saying that 'ghost neighborhoods' were being created in Arizona, as lots of 'undocumented immigrants' pack up and leave the State.

I like the use of the gentle term 'undocumented', and also, the law is having the desired effect just by being passed, before it's even enforced to any extent.
 

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I think its funny (if not so sad) that Arizona (ie, the old Mexican state before annexation) is complaining there are too many Mexican immigrants in the state.

Hell I find North Americans in general complaining about illegal immigration funny.
 

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During FDR's administration our immigration laws were passed. Arizona did not change anything, they just started enforcing a federal law that the goverment was not enforcing. Arizona is just obeying the law. President Obama, Clinton as well as Bush refused to enforce it (thus they broke the law). Once again, just enforce the laws already in place, and close the border if needed. You do not need a fence for all its length, most of the unprotected area's are arid desert, fairly easy to patrol with aircraft.
This law is not a republican or democratic issue, never was, just everyone ignored it..



I don't think there is anything wrong with the federal immigration law, ironsides. And efforts must be made to keep the illegals out. I have said before, you people are crazy to let in so many illegal immigrants.

The question is whether Arizona law will solve anything. I don't think it will, it will simply lead to worsening of race relations in USA (relations between browns and whites).