Both the Falklands and Gibraltar have been offered their independance but neither wanted it.
Nobody wants to live under threat of a possible Spanish or Argentinian invasion.
Argentina to raise Falklands UK 'militarisation' at UN
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Both the Falklands and Gibraltar have been offered their independance but neither wanted it.
Nobody wants to live under threat of a possible Spanish or Argentinian invasion.
When was Palestine given the right to determine who would rule over them? The Brits certainly didn't care about 'those citizens' or a lot of others in her Empire that had brown skin and were never given citizenship, what were they, property?
How quickly you forget how many times the Canadians came to the aid of Britain when the Brits got themselves in a jam. How many tens of thousands died fighting "over there" under your crown?
And the billions sent in aid in WW2, lest we forget. I tire of colonial prattle!
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As a self-professed conservative, should you not respect property?
Ok, ok, fair enough, you were younger then and have become wiser. Still funny though to come across a conservatives who was into grafitti. Even at my leftist, I tended to oppose grafitti. Go figure.
Er, no! The islands belong to the Uk because the locals want to remain British, and the UN recognizes those islands as British territory.
According to your argument, any disputed land between Canada and the US belongs to the US because they have bigger guns, and any land disputed between Canada and Russia belongs to Russia because they have bigger guns. That's purely infantile thinking. Might does not make right.
From my understanding, the UN has not challenged British control of the islands in the least. It merely offered to discuss the issue between the two parties as a standard practice to try to resolve the issue.
Even at my rightest, I still respected the property of others. "From each, according to his conscience, to each..."
"Argentina is attempting to colonize a British colony on the basis that colonization is completely wrong."
A guest on a BBC Radio 5 Live show this week.
What would the UN do anyway? Punish Britain for following UN laws of self-determination?
How bizarre that would be.
A guest on a BBC Radio 5 Live show this week.
What would the UN do anyway? Punish Britain for following UN laws of self-determination?
How bizarre that would be.
To the best of my knowledge, the UN never criticized the Uk anyway, but rather merely invited both parties to discuss the issue together, which would just be good diplomacy and I'm sure standard practice when such an issue arises.
But you're right, from what I can see Argentina has no claims to the Falklands and cannot even prevent the Uk from operating in international waters within the constraints of international law.
Argentine intellectuals brand president Kirchner's Falklands policy absurd... and say islanders should be allowed to decide their own future
By Matt Roper
22nd February 2012
Daily Mail
Blow: President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's policy on the Falklands has been branded 'crazy' and 'absurd' by intellects in Argentina
Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner was dealt a blow today after a group of leading Argentinians called on the government to respect the opinions of Falkland Islanders.
Seventeen of the country’s most respected writers, historians, law experts, politicians and journalists slammed the government’s 'crazy' and 'absurd' policy on the archipelago.
A document signed by the intellectuals criticised Kirchner for her 'constant harrassment' of its residents and called on the government to let islanders decide their own future.
The intervention from some of Kirchner’s most influential contemporaries is the most significant challenge yet from within Argentina to the populist president, who has whipped up anti-British feeling to a fervour ahead of the 30th Anniversary of the Falklands War.
One of the document’s signatories, former Argentine deputy Fernando Iglesias, told Argentina’s Le Red radio: 'It seems crazy to me to try to think that Argentina will be stronger by imposing citizenship on a people who don’t want it.
'I can’t see how a country can impose on a group of 3,000 people, whose ancestors have been there for 180 years, a sovereign government, a citizenship, that they don’t want.
'That to me is truly absurd.'
Respected writer Pepe Eliaschev claimed Argentinians would be hypocrites if they denied Falklanders the right to self-determination.
He added: 'Argentina wouldn’t exist if not for self-determination, and this can’t be valid for some but not for others.'
He also expressed his skepticism of Kirchner’s motives in bringing up the Falklands question just before the emotive anniversary.
Tensions: A banner that reads 'Brits get out of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands)' was draped on a fence outside the Government House in Buenos Aires but academics want to let islanders decide their future
He said: 'This new row has a lot of the artificial about it.
'Why would we start demanding negotiations over sovereignty of the Falklands right now 30 years since the war, and not 31 years or any other date?
'It seems that Argentina is incapable of looking critically at its tragic military adventure in the Falklands.
'It is now committing the same folly by thinking that the Falklands questions can somehow be magically resolved.'
Read more: Argentine intellectuals brand president Kirchner's Falklands policy absurd... and say islanders should be allowed to decided their own future | Mail Online
By Matt Roper
22nd February 2012
Daily Mail
Blow: President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's policy on the Falklands has been branded 'crazy' and 'absurd' by intellects in Argentina
Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner was dealt a blow today after a group of leading Argentinians called on the government to respect the opinions of Falkland Islanders.
Seventeen of the country’s most respected writers, historians, law experts, politicians and journalists slammed the government’s 'crazy' and 'absurd' policy on the archipelago.
A document signed by the intellectuals criticised Kirchner for her 'constant harrassment' of its residents and called on the government to let islanders decide their own future.
The intervention from some of Kirchner’s most influential contemporaries is the most significant challenge yet from within Argentina to the populist president, who has whipped up anti-British feeling to a fervour ahead of the 30th Anniversary of the Falklands War.
One of the document’s signatories, former Argentine deputy Fernando Iglesias, told Argentina’s Le Red radio: 'It seems crazy to me to try to think that Argentina will be stronger by imposing citizenship on a people who don’t want it.
'I can’t see how a country can impose on a group of 3,000 people, whose ancestors have been there for 180 years, a sovereign government, a citizenship, that they don’t want.
'That to me is truly absurd.'
Respected writer Pepe Eliaschev claimed Argentinians would be hypocrites if they denied Falklanders the right to self-determination.
He added: 'Argentina wouldn’t exist if not for self-determination, and this can’t be valid for some but not for others.'
He also expressed his skepticism of Kirchner’s motives in bringing up the Falklands question just before the emotive anniversary.
Tensions: A banner that reads 'Brits get out of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands)' was draped on a fence outside the Government House in Buenos Aires but academics want to let islanders decide their future
He said: 'This new row has a lot of the artificial about it.
'Why would we start demanding negotiations over sovereignty of the Falklands right now 30 years since the war, and not 31 years or any other date?
'It seems that Argentina is incapable of looking critically at its tragic military adventure in the Falklands.
'It is now committing the same folly by thinking that the Falklands questions can somehow be magically resolved.'
Read more: Argentine intellectuals brand president Kirchner's Falklands policy absurd... and say islanders should be allowed to decided their own future | Mail Online
Argentine intellectuals brand president Kirchner's Falklands policy absurd... and say islanders should be allowed to decide their own future
By Matt Roper
22nd February 2012
Daily Mail
Blow: President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's policy on the Falklands has been branded 'crazy' and 'absurd' by intellects in Argentina
Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner was dealt a blow today after a group of leading Argentinians called on the government to respect the opinions of Falkland Islanders.
Seventeen of the country’s most respected writers, historians, law experts, politicians and journalists slammed the government’s 'crazy' and 'absurd' policy on the archipelago.
A document signed by the intellectuals criticised Kirchner for her 'constant harrassment' of its residents and called on the government to let islanders decide their own future.
The intervention from some of Kirchner’s most influential contemporaries is the most significant challenge yet from within Argentina to the populist president, who has whipped up anti-British feeling to a fervour ahead of the 30th Anniversary of the Falklands War.
One of the document’s signatories, former Argentine deputy Fernando Iglesias, told Argentina’s Le Red radio: 'It seems crazy to me to try to think that Argentina will be stronger by imposing citizenship on a people who don’t want it.
'I can’t see how a country can impose on a group of 3,000 people, whose ancestors have been there for 180 years, a sovereign government, a citizenship, that they don’t want.
'That to me is truly absurd.'
Respected writer Pepe Eliaschev claimed Argentinians would be hypocrites if they denied Falklanders the right to self-determination.
He added: 'Argentina wouldn’t exist if not for self-determination, and this can’t be valid for some but not for others.'
He also expressed his skepticism of Kirchner’s motives in bringing up the Falklands question just before the emotive anniversary.
Tensions: A banner that reads 'Brits get out of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands)' was draped on a fence outside the Government House in Buenos Aires but academics want to let islanders decide their future
He said: 'This new row has a lot of the artificial about it.
'Why would we start demanding negotiations over sovereignty of the Falklands right now 30 years since the war, and not 31 years or any other date?
'It seems that Argentina is incapable of looking critically at its tragic military adventure in the Falklands.
'It is now committing the same folly by thinking that the Falklands questions can somehow be magically resolved.'
Read more: Argentine intellectuals brand president Kirchner's Falklands policy absurd... and say islanders should be allowed to decided their own future | Mail Online
Nationalists are the same the world over; seeking any irrational reason to pick a fight. And when patriotic intellectuals challenge them, those same intellectuals will probably be branded traitors or petty leftists, etc.
Sound familiar?
Didn't the Americans try that? Mind you there are fewer than 3000 Falkland Islanders. Could the village of Barra in Scotland (Similar population) declare its independence from Britain?
If Britain acknowleged self determination it never would have had an Empire!
No he thinks they won.
Just like a southerner told me once that the Confederates won the Battle of Gettysburg because the Rebs captured more Union cannons than the Yanks did.
Geez, time to take out my Confederate dollars from the peanut butter jar.
For Blackleaf.
Argentine National Anthem (English Subtitled) - YouTube
For Blackleaf.
Argentine National Anthem (English Subtitled) - YouTube