Are delicatessans a ripoff?

[AnnaG]

the organic food industry is an interesting one for sure. many growers cannot afford to go through
the process to 'certify' their product, it is very expensive, but their prices seem to be just as
high as the certified types, so not sure about that one.
the organic industry, although it is what I prefer, does take advantage of the public that only want
organic foods, as many of the prices are so high that it is ridiculous and puts them out of the reach
of 'me' and many others.

Yup. It's nice having enough room in the backyard to grow our own organics.

Pity the fools who fall for this ORGANIC nonsense.

One year butter is bad, next year butter is good.
One year milk is bad, next year milk is good.
One year sugar is good, next year sugar is bad.
One year articial fertilizers will help to produce enough to feed the world, next year they are bad.
One year the world is cooling, next year the world will go up in flames.

Or vice versa!

Let us remember that those who produce one "study" after another are depending on the public purse. So, if you don't publish, you perish. And if you can only publish what somebody before you published alrady, you are a dead duck. So, publish something different to save your neck.

The current craze is ORGANIC. Put shyt in your garden instead of fertilizer that came in a bag. Risk giving yourself e-coli.

Good luck!

Good point. It requires actually thinking about what we eat and how it's grown rather than just gobbling up stuff we scoop in the store or spray with junk.
Who knows what's in it?
We use fertilizer (cow shyte mixed with our own chicken shyte) from a neighbor who doesn't use most of the crap that factories inject into their beef, doesn't use pesticides, herbicides, etc. around his place.
If people want to eat that crap mixed in with their food, they're quite welcome to. I'll pass.

 

[petros]

There are better ways of growing organically than 'just' using manure, I never use manure,
it's full of weeds. I use a processed bagged organic fertilizer that comes out of the bag
in granuals just like the chemical types, and 'yes' I pay more than the chemical fertilizer.

That bagged stuff might very well be sludge from sewage treatment plants as it falls under the organic classification. If you use human waste aka sludge marketed as a soil conditioner as an organic producer you have to monitor heavy metal content. CGSB standards are a joke. The feds only want one thing and that is money. True organics farms are very small and survive supplying local markets and if you are big you need to have a buyer in long before venturing into the game.

We considered organic certification but as much as I hate Monsanto or Bayer their fertilizer, inoculant & herbicide packages they produce like crazy and we make good money. Without the packages yields are 1/3 and you barely break even after fuel.

 

[talloola]

That bagged stuff might very well be sludge from sewage treatment plants as it falls under the organic classification. If you use human waste aka sludge marketed as a soil conditioner as an organic producer you have to monitor heavy metal content. CGSB standards are a joke. The feds only want one thing and that is money. True organics farms are very small and survive supplying local markets and if you are big you need to have a buyer in long before venturing into the game.

We considered organic certification but as much as I hate Monsanto or Bayer their fertilizer, inoculant & herbicide packages they produce like crazy and we make good money. Without the packages yields are 1/3 and you barely break even after fuel.

lol no, my bagged organic fertilizer does not have sewage, sludge stuff in it.

 

[JLM]

To put the organic food pros and cons into a clearer perspective the following article is interesting.................................Organic Foods

 

[AnnaG]

To put the organic food pros and cons into a clearer perspective the following article is interesting.................................Organic Foods

Gawd. A Reader's Digest editorial. Great.

Organic food: Pros and Cons | BiofuelsWatch.com

Perceived Pros and Cons

It pays to put some thought into what you eat:

healthy active living | realbuzz

Buying organic food
The balance of your diet should first be examined before considering which organic foods to purchase. Try to eat more fruit and vegetables and starchy carbohydrate foods (such as bread, rice, pasta, breakfast cereals and potatoes). Aim for two servings of protein foods per day and two servings of low-fat dairy foods. If you do this it will hopefully mean that you eat fewer fatty and sugary foods.
After making sure your diet is balanced, try to incorporate the following organic food options:

• Go for organic spinach, lettuce, cabbage and potatoes, as they have higher levels of vitamin C, magnesium, iron and phosphorus than their non-organic equivalents.
• Choose organic vegetable soup. Researchers have found that organic soup contains almost six times as much salicylic acid as non-organic. Salicylic acid helps to combat bowel cancer and the hardening of the arteries.
• Go for organic apples. Some non-organic apples are sprayed up to 16 times with 36 different pesticides – and many of these pesticides are hard to remove even if the food is washed thoroughly.
• Choose organic meat. In the UK we eat more than enough protein, so by cutting down the amount we eat it will compensate for the higher cost of organic meat. A review of the Soil Association organic standards and farm assurance schemes by Compassion in World Farming found that organic standards provide the highest levels of animal welfare – so if you do go for organic meat, you will be safeguarding the welfare of animals.

The rise and rise of organic food
It is likely that sales of organic food will continue to rise for the foreseeable future. Whether or not you decide to ‘go organic’, what’s important to remember is that balance is the key when it comes to the overall content of your diet. A totally organic diet may not necessarily provide you with the optimal balance of nutrients. It is the choice of different foods from the five different food groups that constitutes a healthy diet, whether the foods you choose are organic or not.
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[JLM]

Gawd. A Reader's Digest editorial. Great.

Organic food: Pros and Cons | BiofuelsWatch.com

Perceived Pros and Cons

It pays to put some thought into what you eat:

healthy active living | realbuzz

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I've been reading Readers Digest for 50 years and have found it to be one of the more credible publications. :smile:

 

[The Old Medic]

It depends on what you want. You can make your own corned beef or pastrami at home, if you really want to. You can make your own liverwurst, or most anything else, if you choose to do so. But, for most of us it is a LOT more convienient to just go to a deli and purchase what we choose to purchase.

If you don't want to purchase from one, that's your choice. If I DO wish to purchase from one, that is MY choice. Of course, I will take a good Jewish deli anytime over one located in a supermarket!

 

[JLM]

It depends on what you want. You can make your own corned beef or pastrami at home, if you really want to. You can make your own liverwurst, or most anything else, if you choose to do so. But, for most of us it is a LOT more convienient to just go to a deli and purchase what we choose to purchase.

If you don't want to purchase from one, that's your choice. If I DO wish to purchase from one, that is MY choice. Of course, I will take a good Jewish deli anytime over one located in a supermarket!

I hear continuously how much we are struggling financially (which I rather doubt) and then see line ups at deliccatessans for 2nd and 3rd rate meat at $10 a lb. The two don't jive.

 

[TenPenny]

If people are struggling financially, for the most part, it's because of warped priorities.

 

[JLM]

If people are struggling financially, for the most part, it's because of warped priorities.

On THAT we most definitely agree. :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:

 

[karrie]

I hear continuously how much we are struggling financially (which I rather doubt) and then see line ups at deliccatessans for 2nd and 3rd rate meat at $10 a lb. The two don't jive.

food is the LAST place I cheap out in a money crunch. You may see me at the deli counter even if I'm penny pinching, but you won't see me buying a 5th wheel. I can save way more money by not going to a movie or a dinner out than I can by refusing to buy lunch meat for my kids. Why you'd be looking at something so insignificant on the grand scale of things as some kind of economic idnicator is beyond me.

 

[AnnaG]

If people are struggling financially, for the most part, it's because of warped priorities.

Egg Zachary!

food is the LAST place I cheap out in a money crunch. You may see me at the deli counter even if I'm penny pinching, but you won't see me buying a 5th wheel. I can save way more money by not going to a movie or a dinner out than I can by refusing to buy lunch meat for my kids. Why you'd be looking at something so insignificant on the grand scale of things as some kind of economic idnicator is beyond me.

Egg Zachary! lol

 

[ironsides]

It depends on what you want. You can make your own corned beef or pastrami at home, if you really want to. You can make your own liverwurst, or most anything else, if you choose to do so. But, for most of us it is a LOT more convienient to just go to a deli and purchase what we choose to purchase.

If you don't want to purchase from one, that's your choice. If I DO wish to purchase from one, that is MY choice. Of course, I will take a good Jewish deli anytime over one located in a supermarket!

If you want a real corned beef or pastrami sandwich, you do not consider price, nothing beats a real Kosher deli. I agree with you.

 

[talloola]

people have their priorities, if it is health concerns, they will be very fussy at any deli counter,
and if it is answering their taste buds, and what they like, they don't care about price, or health,
they buy what they want.

People are people, sometimes they will be ripped off, and will not think about it, and won't
feel ripped off, just satisfied that they got what they went there to buy.

I like to know the ingredients in the food, listed the package, and read every thing on the back, so I know the fat
content, salt content, etc., and one can't do that at a deli counter, and that is my priority most
of the time, and also the price, many deli items are too costly.

I never cut corners when buying food, it is very important to me to buy fresh wholesome
foods, and one can do that without overpaying for items in any deli that has prepared
for your convenience, I will prepare my own food and not pay others to do
that work, I work for nothing. lol lol
eg. potatoe salad from a deli, compared to home made potatoe salad.

what I do pay far too much for is bread, as I purchase it from a small store who
makes their own bread, charges too much, but it is the best bread I can find all
over the valley, and worth it.

 

[JLM]

food is the LAST place I cheap out in a money crunch. You may see me at the deli counter even if I'm penny pinching, but you won't see me buying a 5th wheel. I can save way more money by not going to a movie or a dinner out than I can by refusing to buy lunch meat for my kids. Why you'd be looking at something so insignificant on the grand scale of things as some kind of economic idnicator is beyond me.

Actually food is the FIRST place I cheap out in a money crunch and for two good reasons- over a lifetime you'll spend more for food than most other commodities and often the best quality of food comes at a lower price. For what you spend on a few ounces of deli meat I can buy a whole blade roast and slice off lots of good meat for sandwiches. Sprinkle on some cayenne pepper, garlic power and onion salt and bingo you have your "deli" meat. I admit delis are alright for special occasions. I have a weakness for head cheese so admit I do splurge occasionally at a deli- in full realization I'm being ripped off. :lol::lol:

people have their priorities, if it is health concerns, they will be very fussy at any deli counter,
and if it is answering their taste buds, and what they like, they don't care about price, or health,
they buy what they want.

People are people, sometimes they will be ripped off, and will not think about it, and won't
feel ripped off, just satisfied that they got what they went there to buy.

I like to know the ingredients in the food, listed the package, and read every thing on the back, so I know the fat
content, salt content, etc., and one can't do that at a deli counter, and that is my priority most
of the time, and also the price, many deli items are too costly.

Exactly............:smile::smile::smile:

 

[karrie]

I like to know the ingredients in the food, listed the package, and read every thing on the back, so I know the fat
content, salt content, etc., and one can't do that at a deli counter...

sure you can. A good deli counter has more than one 'loaf' of each meat, and can let you see the label. They don't get a pass on Canadian labeling laws.

 

[AnnaG]

Actually food is the FIRST place I cheap out in a money crunch and for two good reasons- over a lifetime you'll spend more for food than most other commodities and often the best quality of food comes at a lower price. For what you spend on a few ounces of deli meat I can buy a whole blade roast and slice off lots of good meat for sandwiches. Sprinkle on some cayenne pepper, garlic power and onion salt and bingo you have your "deli" meat. I admit delis are alright for special occasions. I have a weakness for head cheese so admit I do splurge occasionally at a deli- in full realization I'm being ripped off. :lol::lol:

hehe Each to his/her own. ) I live to eat, so I'll scrimp on clothes or trips or something before I scrimp on food.

 

[talloola]

sure you can. A good deli counter has more than one 'loaf' of each meat, and can let you see the label. They don't get a pass on Canadian labeling laws.

that's good to hear, I don't shop delis much at all, so haven't had the need to inquire, i'd like to see that put to the test many times, then maybe they would
put the info on each item.

 

[#juan]

Are delicatessens a rip-off?

I guess they might be if you don't know what you are buying. I love Montreal smoked meat, Good Kosher corned beef is second to none. Good liverwurst makes a great sandwich. Sometimes we make our whole dinner from the Deli. A good delicatessen will usually have potato salad and dill pickles and even some crusty rolls. It's a little more expensive but worth it.