Are Conservatives Right-Wing or Centralist (1990s era)

[the caracal kid]

Yes, and as i have said before nobody should have believed Chretien when he promised to scrap the tax. An understanding of the tax shows it to be the sound way to raise money (in this case to eliminate the deficit, and should now be going entirely to debt reduction).

Yes, Mulroney was in during a recession, and he knew it. Yet, he just like his liberal comrads, made promise after promise to balance the books.

Now you may disagree with the Chretien fiscal decisions, but they should remind you how much the libs and the old PCs were alike. A provincial PC by the name of Klein did the exact same thing: kill funding to stop the bleed, balance the books, and then restore services. Fortunately for Chretien and Klein the economy was in the right state for such a methodology to work.

Stupid party politics and the stupid polulace that gets played by it.

 

[earth_as_one]

Corporations aren't evil per se. They are psychopathic in that they exist to generate wealth for their stockholders regardless of other consequences without empathy for anything destroyed or harmed in the process.

In the case of Walmart, that means paying part time workers poverty level wages for selling goods made in China. For resource based corporations like mines and forestry it means generating profits at the expense of our health and environment.

Only laws for the benefit of society protect workers and the environment ensure corporations behave responsibly. Its the role of government to balance social responsiblity with the pursuit of profit.

In effect corporations are a goose which lay golden eggs. Too far to the left cooks the goose. To far to the right means we have to live in goose poop. A centrist government strikes a balance between either extreme.

 

[nomore]

Re: RE: Are Conservatives Right-Wing or Centralist (1990s er

Stupid party politics and the stupid polulace that gets played by it.

This I can agree with, as unfortunate as it may sound.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Are Conservatives Right-Wing or Centralist (1990s er

I didn't mean you specifically Caracal Kid....I meant the left in general.

...and so I ask you again, what exactly does the left propose that frightens you so much, fraidy-cat... 8O

 

[FiveParadox]

My Opinion

I would assert that this question is entirely subjective.

In my opinion, the parties currently represented in the House of Commons are aligned as follows:

(a) The Liberal Party of Canada is centrist-left¹.
(b) The Conservative Party of Canada is centrist-right¹.
(c) The Bloc Québecois is centrist.
(d) The New Democratic Party is left-wing.

:?: Footnote
¹ I believe these alignments to be generally true, but both parties have their exceptions; for example, Tony Fogarassy, the Conservative candidate in the riding of Vancouver—Centre would be, in my opinion, a "Red Tory."

 

[Lost2]

I have seen only a couple of people note that the present "Conservatives" are a combination of the Conservatives and the Reform. Reading literature on the Reform I found they were extreme right wing. When the Conservative cut social programs they show this same trend. To me they are right wing but trying to hide the fact.

 

[FiveParadox]

Reform Conservatism

I would agree that the Reform Party of Canada was certainly on the farther end of the spectrum, in respect of the right-hand-side.

However, one must keep in mind that these judgements are subjective; if one is a right-wing person by nature, then the Conservatives may seem centrist, and the Liberals far-left — however, if one is a Liberal at heart, then one may see the Liberals as being centrist, and the Conservatives far-right. It's a matter of perceptions.

 

[jimmoyer]

Should 30 percent be taken away from what you earn ?

Should 50 percent of your income be taxed ?

These 2 questions should decide whether you
are liberal or conservative or centrist.

These 2 questions should get you out of that perspective
problem if you are liberal, the liberal party looks centrist
and if you are conservative, the NDP party looks far leftwing.

Vanni Fucci probably should explain why government
is the best way to allocate resources to needs.

Screw what our definitions of parties are.

How much tax do you think is righteous ?

 

[FiveParadox]

Taxation Issues

In my opinion, jimmoyer, however much is necessary to secure the effects for the common good. A vague statement, I know, but nonetheless true — even if it means increasing taxes to fix whatever problems we may have, then so be it, I am happy to contribute to Canada.

 

[jimmoyer]

FiveParadox, let's get UNFUZZY here.

How much tax of your income is righteous ?

3O percent ?

50 percent ?

70 percent ?

And if you want to split hairs using a graduated
income tax what percentage tax do you think
is righteous for the following income groups ?

25000 -50,000 ?

50,000 -80,000?

100,000 - 200,000 ?

 

[FiveParadox]

Debate on Taxation

With all due respect, jimmoyer, "righteous" (an odd term to apply to taxation, by the way) is a subjective term, and depends entirely upon the circumstances under which one is taxed. If we had no debt, and budget surpluses, then no tax increase would be in order; taxes would, in such a situation, be warranted to be decreased, in my opinion.

However, in respect of our current situation, I have not yet entered the main work-force, so I would be unable to validate any numbers that I would give in relation to taxation that would not apply to a student.

 

[jimmoyer]

Righteous, is a deliberately odd term, as it describes
quite well the passion of those who feel capitalism
is ill-suited to allocate resources to those with
the greatest needs.

All this crap about party definitions does revolve
around this allocation of resources and it depends
how much the working population accepts being
taxed for the high ideals of socialism.

But don't get me wrong about being an anti-socialist,
because socialism brought a lot of good things
to capitalism : the 8 hour working day, retirement
benefits, medical benefits.

And all these benefits get paid for by the ever growing
economy of capitalism.

Socialism doesn't make money to pay for our
comforts.

But it does tone down the harsh qualities of capitalism.