Are Conservatives Right-Wing or Centralist (1990s era)

[the caracal kid]

Mulroney was a hacking at programs to balance the books, but he failed to ever balance the books.

Chretien hacked at some things as well to balance the books, but he was successful at balancing the books.

 

[Said1]

Mike Harris did all the hacking in Ontario.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Are you really going to sit there and try to contend that you know more about this topic than she does ITN?

Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. Funny isn't how you have claimed a nobel laurette can be suspiciously trying to manipulate data, but when a liberal writes a book condemning the evil empire and its hidden agenda you are quick to grasp for truths.

Linky - page 3 - scroll down

I can't look at anything from a purely business perspective, as I have no head for economics. Having said that, I will point out that Gary S. Becker, while certainly deserving of recognition as a Nobel Laureate, and is a brilliant economist, he is also a neoconservative contemporary of Strauss and Friedman. He has ties to energy interests, and is an advisor to Donald Rumsfeld. Many of his associates are members of Bilderberg, CFR and Trilateral Commission.

All this leads me to be suspect of his intent...

You know ITN, I went to great lengths to discredit your source, and II'm more than a little insulted that you seek to discredit mine in such a lame manner...

Might I suggest that you stop reading conservative blogs (because while entertaining for trench-coat mafia teens, they are chock full of lies and hatred) and pick up a *censored* book already. It matters little to me if you insult your own intelligence, but don't then heap your absurd logic on the rest of us...

I Think Not...as apt a name as any... :wink:

What would you suggest as a nice read? The Communist Manifesto? Been there done that. I was deprogrammed when I hit the age of 20, time for you to do the same. :wink:

The failure of communism had nothing to do with what's written in the manifesto, <Snip: Personal Attack>. At least Marx and Engels gave a shit about the people...how would the Neocon Manifesto read, I wonder:

"Fuck 'em all, take what you can, and give nothing back"

I'll bet you could fit that on a piece of ass-wipe if you had a mind to market it... :roll:

 

[I think not]

You know ITN, I went to great lengths to discredit your source, and II'm more than a little insulted that you seek to discredit mine in such a lame manner...

Your own words are lame? Who would of thunk it.

<Snip: Previously edited post quoted>:roll:

That's the Vanni I know, when all else fails attack the poster, welcome back . If you're cranky now, I can only imagine what you will be like on the 24th.

 

[Jay]

No doubt!!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

If you're cranky now, I can only imagine what you will be like on the 24th.

Chances are, I'll be quite elated, as the Neocons have a habit of blowing it when they get to the short strokes... a symptom common in sexually repressed middle-aged men...

 

[Breakthrough2006]

There is no right wing party in Canada. The CPC would be placed left of the Democratic party in the States.

 

[the caracal kid]

breakthrough:
this is not the United States. It is preferable that way too.

 

[jimmoyer]

Here's a scattered omnibus of thoughts:

Communism least follows the psychology of
the people.

It has great appeal to those disgusted with
corruption, but then so has every system resulted
in incidents of corruption.

"To each according to his needs" speaks to
the differences among us, but implies a
central authority
that determines such allocation.

Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations in 1776 was every
bit more powerful and more enduring than the
Communist Manifesto, and Karl Marx should have
learned a little more from Hegel on some matters.

By the way, if you're an old 60's hippie like me
you'll have seen close up how hard it is to run a
commune.

Anything run by a central committee is ultimately disastrous as they determine "each according to
his needs."

Long live McGovern's memory, on this day
of Nixon's birthday of Jan 9, 1913, the year the
Senate of America moved from being appointed
by state legislatures to direct popular Winner Take
All vote.

Down with the Neocons, communists, angry left
wingers.

Who's left ?

 

[Breakthrough2006]

breakthrough:
this is not the United States. It is preferable that way too.

You're missing the point. Liberal and NDP supporters love to pass off the CPC as some right wing, neo conservative Nazi party. They have no clue about politics. They are just falling for fearmongering tactics.

Casting off the CPC as right wing zealots would be the same as calling John Kerry a neo Conservative.

Both claims are equally as ludicrous.

Judging from the latest polls, Canadians are starting to figure it out also.

 

[the caracal kid]

you missed the point. this is not the US so we should not measure ourselves against their scales!

From the latest polls we see evidence that Marx was correct!

This is supposed to be a socialist democracy, not a capitalist republic.

Now as for Nazis, I have not hear Harper or the CPC called that before. There are a few very deserving labels for the Harperites though! Do not forget they are closer to the shrub than canada should ever be.

 

[Jay]

This is not "supposed to be a socialist democracy" in the least. Canada is a constitutional monarchy. People would like it to be changed to a socialist state; no doubt that is the goal of the left.

Talk about scary hidden agendas.....

http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/people/senate/Monarchy/SenMonarchy_00-e.htm

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Are Conservatives Right-Wing or Centralist (1990s er

This is not "supposed to be a socialist democracy" in the least. Canada is a constitutional monarchy. People would like it to be changed to a socialist state; no doubt that is the goal of the left.

Talk about scary hidden agendas.....

Kinda funny really...

The vast majority of values and programs that most Canadians hold dear have had their origins in the minds of left-leaning Canadians...that's always been true, and is true even now...so for you to be casting aspersions at social democrats is somewhat disengenuous...

Apart from a trans-Canadian railway system, what life-changing concept has any Conservative brought forth for the benefit of all Canadians?

 

[Said1]

Canada is a supposed to be a liberal democracy. That is, our democratic political system. Interesting concept when you think about it's application thus far.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Are Conservatives Right-Wing or Centralist (1990s er

This is not "supposed to be a socialist democracy" in the least. Canada is a constitutional monarchy. People would like it to be changed to a socialist state; no doubt that is the goal of the left.

Talk about scary hidden agendas.....

Kinda funny really...

The vast majority of values and programs that most Canadians hold dear have had their origins in the minds of left-leaning Canadians...that's always been true, and is true even now...so for you to be casting aspersions at social democrats is somewhat disengenuous...

Apart from a trans-Canadian railway system, what life-changing concept has any Conservative brought forth for the benefit of all Canadians?

Canada herself.

 

[Jersay]

Done by poor Chinese immigrants who were taken to this country and probably never saw their homeland again. Face racism here and violence and at the end was left to themselves and the cruel streets.

 

[the caracal kid]

"scary hidden agenda"?

lets see. on this board i have made posts to the following:
removal of the monarchy
writing a new constitution and creating a new open democratic decentralized federal government
a new economy (non goods based)
protection of social services
further development of a canadian social consciousness

to name a few. now where is my "hidden agenda" and how does this frighten you?

 

[Jay]

I didn't mean you specifically Caracal Kid....I meant the left in general.

 

[Finder]

Harper is for sure right ring. The bulk of the party is right wing. Very few are Red Tory's which still have right wing economic platforms.

Indeed the only thing centre about the conservatives are them pandering to the centre-left minded Canadian puplic by trying to pretend to be more moderate then they are. *shrugs* I just hope if they do gain power that they will govern moderatly from the centre.

 

[nomore]

Re: RE: Are Conservatives Right-Wing or Centralist (1990s er

Mulroney was a hacking at programs to balance the books, but he failed to ever balance the books.

Chretien hacked at some things as well to balance the books, but he was successful at balancing the books.

It's not quite that cut and dry. The Mulroney government, was unfortunatly in power during a recession, and was left with the unsurmountable debt, and deficit, left to them by the Liberal Trudeau government. In which the liberals increased the debt by something like 1300%. No party could have balanced the books in this situation.

The GST that the Mulroney government implemented as a debt reduction plan, was in fact used by the liberals to balance the books, even though, one of their campain promises back in 1993 was to abolish it, surprise surprise, it's still here. (another lie)
The way the liberal balanced the books is laughable. They cut funding to all the programs they are now campaining to fix, they are just back to their old tricks and lies.