Anti-war crowd are demoralizing our troops.

[gopher]

The US is not "intervening" in a war in Afghanistan. They invaded Afghanistan to crush the Taliban, because they hid Osama and would not turn him over.


Bush knew damn well where he was because he was interviewed by a reporter just a few days before. Yet, he chose to allow him to escape at Tora Bora when he could have used that "shock and awe" campaign to kill him off. At any rate, Bush said "mission accomplished" and celebrated Afghanaistan's supposed democratization. Since he got the job done (as he said initially) then let's get the hell out of there.

 

[elevennevele]

Where is Osama now? That's what bothers me. We are waisting our resources in Afghanistan. America is in deep in this illegal, groundless war in Iraq, and Osama is getting more support now. America, and now Canada, has more enemies then ever. And our troops are no where near to finding Osama Bin Laden.

My guess is he died peacefully in his sleep and is now laughing at the US as to Iraq with his 72 virgins.

 

[elevennevele]

A wise man once told me you are born a Liberal but we always die a Conservative. Like I said a wise man is Zoofer.

No, children are born innocent and hopefully with empathy and then become polluted with all the prejudices we give them.

 

[gopher]

My guess is he died peacefully in his sleep and is now laughing at the US as to Iraq with his 72 virgins.


More likely, he is busy counting all the money the treasonous CIA gleefully gave him and is kissing the photo of his hero and financier Bush.

 

[BitWhys]

They are beyond bitter as they are the same as the Anti-War Movement in the United States who use banners like this to get their message across of how much they hate the Military and their own Country..

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

 

[CDNBear]

my sons tell people about their Father, who wore the Uniform of his country and took a stand for what was right(Stand and Deliver), what will your children say of you.


Interesting if true. If you are the warrior that you say you are, what have you done to avenge the deaths of over 200,000 Ixils (who are members of your race) at the hands of hate filled white Christians from the YWAM-Gospel Outreach of California.* This racist anti-Catholic hate cult spread terrorism in Guatemala in the name of Jesus Christ and are still laughing and celebrating to this day. So while you continue to defend them, they are enjoying the money they pocketed after they stole treasures from those innocents.


* http://www.rickross.com/reference/youth/youth6.html

see also,

http://www.preventgenocide.org/news-monitor/2005mar2.htm

Guatemala
IPS 25 Mar 2005 US Restores Military Aid After 15-Year Hiatus Jim Lobe WASHINGTON, Mar 25 (IPS) - The restoration of U.S. military aid to Guatemala 15 years after it was suspended for human rights abuses was assailed late Thursday by several rights groups, who said the move was premature. On a visit to the Guatemalan capital earlier in the day, U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced that the George W. Bush administration was releasing 3.2 million dollars in aid to reward the government of President Oscar Berger for reforming the armed forces whose human rights record in the 1980s was considered the worst in the Americas. ”I've been impressed by the reforms that have been undertaken in the armed forces,” Rumsfeld told reporters. ”I know it is a difficult thing to do, but it's been done with professionalism and transparency.” But rights groups did not agree with his assessment, although they did give Berger credit for making efforts in the right direction. ”Despite its commitment to ending impunity and combating clandestine groups, the Berger administration has demonstrated a lack of political will and ability to make progress in establishing an effective mechanism to investigate and dismantle clandestine groups,” according to a joint statement by the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA), the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Centre for Human Rights, and other groups. It noted that these clandestine groups or illegal armed groups, which were supposed to have been dismantled after the signing of the historic 1996 Peace Accords, are believed to have ties to Guatemala's military intelligence apparatus, which is also widely believed to have become increasingly active in drug trafficking and organised crime. The rights groups, which also included the Network in Solidarity with the People of Guatemala (NISGUA) and the Guatemala Human Rights Commission, added that at least 26 human rights defenders have been threatened or attacked, presumably by or at the instigation of the clandestine groups, so far this year after a reported 122 attacks in 2004. ”The clandestine groups have become a serious obstacle to the peace process, rule of law, democracy, and the respect for human rights and must be stopped,” the groups declared. Despite the relatively small dollar value of the package announced by Rumsfeld, the resumption of U.S. military aid marks a real landmark in U.S. relations with the Guatemalan armed forces, which it actually put in power in a 1954 CIA-directed coup d'etat against the civilian government led by President Jacobo Arbenz. The record of U.S. complicity with a succession of military governments is relatively complete due to the release of thousands of secret documents obtained by the independent National Security Archive (NSA), which helped Guatemala's U.N.-backed Historical Clarification Commission conduct a major study in the late 1990s. The Guatemalan commission, set up under the 1996 U.N.-mediated peace accord, found the country's military guilty of ”acts of genocide” against the Indian population during the 36-year civil war and of 93 percent of the estimated 200,000 killings which took place. It also found that Washington, particularly through its spy agencies, ”lent direct and indirect support to some illegal state operations.” So thorough was the documentation that U.S. President Bill Clinton felt compelled to apologise during an informal gathering of leaders from Guatemalan civic groups during a four-day tour of Central America in 1999. ”For the United States, it is important that I state clearly that support for military forces or intelligence units which engaged in violent and widespread repression, of the kind described in the report, was wrong,” he said. ”The United States must not repeat that mistake.” One 1966 report obtained by the NSA revealed how U.S. personnel advised Guatemala's military intelligence on setting up a safe house in the presidential palace to coordinate counter-insurgency operations. That office, at which a CIA officer also worked until well into the 1970's, evolved into an operation which Amnesty International denounced in 1980 as the headquarters for political murder in Guatemala and was finally officially dissolved only two years ago. State Department, CIA and Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) officers reported in detail about specific operations, including kidnapping, torture, and murder, carried out by the Guatemalan army and its paramilitary auxiliaries over more than 30 years. The documents also revealed that U.S. intelligence agencies knew about specific massacres committed by the army in the early 1980s, even while senior officials of the Ronald Reagan administration assured Congress that reports of such atrocities were disinformation spread by solidarity groups and Amnesty International. Congress forbade most military aid to the government during the period, but Washington spent millions of dollars on covert support to Guatemala's army during the period, halting it only in 1990 when it was disclosed that an army colonel on the CIA's payroll had been responsible for the murder of a U.S. innkeeper and the torture-killing of a guerrilla leader who was married to a U.S. lawyer. After the peace accords, rights abuses have generally diminished, but activists, particularly those involved in investigating notorious massacres and assassinations of the 1980s, have repeatedly been threatened and occasionally assaulted or even murdered. Judges and prosecutors were also subject to threats from clandestine groups. According to the final report of the U.N. Verification Mission to Guatemala (MINUGUA) published in January last year, ”attempts to investigate and prosecute security forces members for atrocities committed during the conflict have been generally unsuccessful; those who try have been subject to threats, violence and years of judicial obstruction.” Rights groups agree that some advances have been made, particularly under Berger's administration. Among other things, the armed forces have been reduced to 15,000 soldiers from 27,000 and have adopted a new military doctrine that emphasises defence against external attack, rather than counter-insurgency. ”The shadows that have plagued our army have disappeared,” Berger said Thursday. But the rights groups complain that the military continues to participate in joint police-military operations in direct violation of the Peace Accords. They note that a landmark agreement signed in January 2004 to establish a U.N.-led Commission for the Investigation of Illegal Armed Groups and Clandestine Security Apparatuses, an initiative supported by Washington, was struck down as a result of a court decision. New proposals put forward last November to revive it have so far not moved forward, according to the rights groups. But the Bush administration, increasingly concerned about drug-trafficking through Guatemala in particularly, has decided to restore funding now. Almost three billion of the 3.2 million dollars that is being restored will be used to upgrade Guatemala's air force and small navy for use in drug-interdiction operations.

1, Why can you not ever, answer a question?
2, What would you like me to do goopher, run a Rambo through Guatemala and kill all the bad Christians?
Give your head a serious shake.

I defend both Muslim and Christian goopher. That is because I understand both sides. How you ask? Because, when I read something, I read it objectively, when I listen, I hear with an open mind. If you gave either an attempt, you might find a whole bright new world open before your very eyes.

 

[gopher]

Look again, hero. It's you who never answer my questions.

You call yourself a warrior but the blood of tens of thousands of people who belong to your race call out for revenge. And yet, the great "hero" (at least in your deluded mind) stands by and applauds as those racist genocidal Hitlerians laugh and celebrate while calling themselves children of the Prince of Peace.

I am not even remotely impressed by anything you say.

 

[CDNBear]

Look again, hero. It's you who never answer my questions.

You call yourself a warrior but the blood of tens of thousands of people who belong to your race call out for revenge. And yet, the great "hero" (at least in your deluded mind) stands by and applauds as those racist genocidal Hitlerians laugh and celebrate while calling themselves children of the Prince of Peace.

I am not even remotely impressed by anything you say.

No one is remotely interested in anything you say, so we have nothing in common. You have no idea how good that makes me feel.

You never did say whether or not you knew why your invisible friend killed himself.

Grow up and answer a question. I answered yours. What would you like me to do? Kill all the "Christians"?
I have actively participated in the Native movement. I have worked with councils to enact changes that better the lives of many people. Helped develop and impliment learning programs and craete a structure of support for those that need help within and outside the Native community. What have you done? Besides sit at your computer screen and find only what you want in a messege.

You harp on like that and refuse to answer, because you have no relivant idea of how to reply. You have lost all your arguements with me. Everyone but you has seen that. Because you have no grasp of reality or consept of formulative thought or basic objectivity. Why do you think most people here ignore you? You have a singular train of thought, nothing new nor informative. Just what the Imam thought you.

So, you keep on trying to hurt me, by attacking my history. It only shows everyone, who the real bigots are around here.

I don't call myself a "Warrior" goober, I am a Warrior. Unlike you. With all the nightmares and scares that go with that title. So you think some pissant like you, is going to rent space in my head. Hahaha, keep dreamin' hunny, you bearly rate a blip on my radar, I just like playing with you. Your a chump and an ignoramous, I have always taken a shine to the developmentally challenged.

 

[Toro]

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

"What floats?"

"Rocks"

"No, no."

"Little tiny rocks!"

 

[Sassylassie]

Gopher wrote: I am not even remotely impressed by anything you say.

Really I very interested in what Bear has to say, he's intelligent and polite, you could learn from him Gopher. Gopher you are as transparent as glass and you turn every thread into bashing the Christians, your Imam must be very proud of you Gopher. No matter what you say Gopher it was Arab Muslim Extremist who slaughtered 3000 innocents on September 11 try as hard as you like this will not get lost in your propaganda posting style. It's not the Canadian Military murdering Afghanies it's Arab Muslim Extremists, again more slaughtering of innocents from the Religion of Peace.

Wasn't today the day the peaceniks ascended onto buses to protest the War in Afghanistan? Perhaps they were grounded and weren't allowed a day trip off school property?

 

[gopher]

I don't call myself a "Warrior" goober, I am a Warrior.


A real one or a Hollywood version like Roaring Chicken?

If you are one, when are you marching to avenge what your white racist Christian heroes did to the Ixils?

 

[gopher]

Gopher you are as transparent as glass and you turn every thread into bashing the Christians, your Imam must be very proud of you Gopher.


That's baloney. It was YOU who admitted to being of the "elk" who is a Cathophobe and a hater of Islam, just in case you forgot. As a Catholic I find anti-Catholicism offensive. So don't tell me about politeness.

 

[CDNBear]

Gopher wrote: I am not even remotely impressed by anything you say.

Really I very interested in what Bear has to say, he's intelligent and polite, you could learn from him Gopher. Gopher you are as transparent as glass and you turn every thread into bashing the Christians, your Imam must be very proud of you Gopher. No matter what you say Gopher it was Arab Muslim Extremist who slaughtered 3000 innocents on September 11 try as hard as you like this will not get lost in your propaganda posting style. It's not the Canadian Military murdering Afghanies it's Arab Muslim Extremists, again more slaughtering of innocents from the Religion of Peace.

Wasn't today the day the peaceniks ascended onto buses to protest the War in Afghanistan? Perhaps they were grounded and weren't allowed a day trip off school property?

No they were at goobers house having a free speach lesson. You know the type. Anything that does not coincide with his train of thought does not exist or it isn't credible. You know the stuff, like facts and reality. Stuff the narrow minded find so hard to absorb.

And he says I'm just a brain washed, neo nazi, neo con, closed minded right winger and not open to accepting anyone elses point of view. I guess he missed the posts between me and caracal. But then again, he only sees what he wants.

 

[CDNBear]

Gopher you are as transparent as glass and you turn every thread into bashing the Christians, your Imam must be very proud of you Gopher.


That's baloney. It was YOU who admitted to being of the "elk" who is a Cathophobe and a hater of Islam, just in case you forgot. As a Catholic I find anti-Catholicism offensive. So don't tell me about politeness.

Ah the last ditch efforts of the truly dumbfounded. Pointing out and illuminating spelling errors. How pathetic goober. I thought you had the moral high ground? I gues it was just a pipe dream, cause it sure looks like rethoric muck from here in the wigwom you racist pig.

 

[gopher]

The code of a warrior calls for taking vengeance on those who kill innocents. So when are you taking that vengeance on that racist, white supremacist, hate cult YWAM-Gospel Outreach?

 

[CDNBear]

The code of a warrior calls for taking vengeance on those who kill innocents. So when are you taking that vengeance on that racist, white supremacist, hate cult YWAM-Gospel Outreach?

All whit wash, nothing but hyperbole, got anything new puppy?


next

 

[gopher]

you're saying that's not a part of the code of the warrior?

yeah right

 

[CDNBear]

you're saying that's not a part of the code of the warrior?

yeah right

No I'm saying you have no arguement, you have no "cred", you have nothing, so now you will be stupid and infantile.

Keep it coming puppy.

Next

AlfredE. Newman would be ashamed if he saw you using his likeness.

Why did your invisible friend kill himself?

 

[gopher]

here's how the right wing "warriors" support the troops:

 

[thomaska]

these veterans may not quite agree:


http://www.ivaw.org/


About IVAW

Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) was founded by Iraq war veterans in July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in Boston to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and veterans who are against this war, but are under various pressures to remain silent.
From its inception, IVAW has called for:

• Immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq;
• Reparations for the pillaging and destruction of Iraq so that ordinary Iraqi people can control their own lives and future; and
• Full benefits, adequate healthcare (including mental health), and other supports for returning servicemen and women.

Today, IVAW members are in 32 states, Washington, D.C., Canada, and on numerous bases overseas, including Iraq. IVAW members educate the public about the realities of the Iraq war by speaking in communities and to the media about their experiences. Members also dialogue with youth in classrooms about the realities of military service. IVAW supports all those resisting the war, including Conscientious Objectors and others facing military prosecution for their refusal to fight.IVAW advocates for full funding for the Veterans Administration, and full quality health treatment (including mental health) and benefits for veterans when they return from duty.

These are also the same boneheads who dribbled all over themselves when that douche Jessie MacBeth came out against the war. Too bad he turned out to be a total fake, and its also too bad that most of the vets they recruit end up being deserters, concientious objectors, and general losers. Go ahead and Google Jessie MacBeth and tell me how much credit IVAW has. For me..its none.